[UM-Bot]

A miracle has been reported in Poland after a piece of cummunion wafer that fell in to water during a mass allegedly transformed in to what a medical university proffessor is claiming to be human heart tissue.

"The Catholic Church in Poland is investigating claims of a miracle after a piece of communion wafer was reported to have been transformed into human heart tissue after falling into water during a mass. "

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[ohio state buckeyes]

Even if its not real heart tissue it was close enough science had to investigate it . What are the odds something like would happen. It still kinda a miracle. God will never give such absolute proof that faith isnt needed .

This post has been edited by ohio state buckeyes: 02 November 2009 - 12:33 PM

[Mattshark]

ohio state buckeyes, on 02 November 2009 - 12:29 PM, said:

Even if its not real heart tissue it was close enough science had to investigate it . What are the odds something like would happen. It still kinda a miracle. God will never give such absolute proof that faith isnt needed .

No, just a bad scientist who let her beliefs get in the way investigated it and ignored rational conclusions. She has simply shown she is not good at her job.

[Coffin Jim]

To believe this story, we'd have to accept the statements of

a ) the Catholic Church, which obviously would like to prove the absence of a hoax,
b ) a religious scientist who certainly has motives for fabricating such a story (publicity, funding, confirmation of beliefs, et c.),
and c ) the local police, who would benefit from the tourist dollars such a miracle would rake in; they also may just be poor investigators.

It may be an intentional hoax by the female scientist or an accidental case of confirmation bias, but there's certainly something amiss with the story.

This post has been edited by Coffin Jim: 02 November 2009 - 02:12 PM

[Siara]

Mattshark, on 02 November 2009 - 01:01 PM, said:

No, just a bad scientist who let her beliefs get in the way investigated it and ignored rational conclusions. She has simply shown she is not good at her job.

I agree.

What a waste of a miracle! A piece of bread turning into heart tissue. I should think that if God wanted to make a miracle he would make a blind person see. Maybe next time Jesus manifests by appearing on someone's cheese sandwich we can ask him why God chose to do this.

Honestly, the Catholic Church needs to modernize.

[Darkwind]

My Mother used to make a tasty spread out of heart.

[Siara]

Darkwind, on 02 November 2009 - 03:00 PM, said:

My Mother used to make a tasty spread out of heart.

I expect this will spend the next 800 years floating in formaldehyde in a solid gold reliquary somewhere.

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Sounds to me like some unfortunate little creature fell into the dough mixing machine. Or maybe there was a kitchen accident somewhere. I lost a fingertip in a pepperoni making machine once.

This post has been edited by Siara: 02 November 2009 - 03:31 PM

[Pinx]

What a gross sounding miracle. And how dirty did that holy water have to be to contaminate a cracker to the point of mistaking it for living tissue. This whole story makes me squick.

[Rosewin]

Interesting.

[behaviour???]

Another evidence to show that science and Religion dont go together

Thanks
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[SpiderCyde]

I'm a believer, not catholic, but I also question this. I want several teams of scientists to run tests on this tissue as well as polygraphs of the test subjects. If this is a miracle, let's figure out how it was done. Unraveling an aspect of the technology of God would be something ground breaking and revolutionary. If it's all a hoax though, the responsible parties will be exposed, and meh.

This post has been edited by SpiderCyde: 02 November 2009 - 08:32 PM

[storminateacup]

Pinx, on 02 November 2009 - 03:22 PM, said:

squick.

Squicky is the right word.

And what good is heart tissue doing in holy water anyway? Hardly a 'miracle', is it?

[BlueZone]

One can imagine the people in the congregation thinking, I hope that happened after I got done drinking from the chalice.

[danielost]

it may be a miracle. but don't forget that satan can perform miracles too for deception reasons.

[ShaunZero]

ohio state buckeyes, on 02 November 2009 - 06:29 AM, said:

Even if its not real heart tissue it was close enough science had to investigate it . What are the odds something like would happen. It still kinda a miracle. God will never give such absolute proof that faith isnt needed .

Why wouldn't he? Not being convinced that god is real doesn't make you a bad person, it just means your reason and logic forces you to conclude he's not real.