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www.newscientist.com said:

IS GEORGE W. BUSH stupid? It's a question that occupied a good many minds of all political persuasions during his turbulent eight-year presidency. The strict answer is no. Bush's IQ score is estimated to be above 120, which suggests an intelligence in the top 10 per cent of the population.But this, surely, does not tell the whole story. Even those sympathetic to the former president have acknowledged that as a thinker and decision-maker he is not all there. Even his loyal speechwriter David Frum called him glib, incurious and "as a result ill-informed".

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[Dr Alien]

the only reason why george bush's IQ is estimated to be 120 is because he has his look-alikes to do it

[behaviour???]

A very good example to quote whatsoever

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[The Silver Thong]

What? the people who did this made a huge mistake. Those butt heads added an extra digit his IQ is really 12 those silly bugggars lol

[Coffin Jim]

Assigning a number to any abstract human attribute is futile, but it should at least include more than just intelligence; a sort of MQ, or multi-quotient.

[Quarktoo]

The notion that Bush's IQ is 120 is absurd. He would be lucky to hit 90 on a good day and nobody has accused him of being intelligent or "smart" as you put it.

Intelligence is born out of thought integrity and courage springs forth from love. Bush is the most corrupt person I have ever seen and he has zero courage.

This post has been edited by Quarktoo: 08 November 2009 - 06:59 PM

[Cybele]

There are three main components to most comprehensive IQ scores: verbal, visuo-spatial and mathematical/quantitative. It could be argued that many questions, especially the verbal, have more to do with education than anything else (thus the need for 'culture fair' tests). Really though, standard IQ tests measure only a very narrow range of skills and abilities. 'Smart' can really be a broad, misleading term.

This post has been edited by Cybele: 08 November 2009 - 08:12 PM

[Fitter]

IQ tests only measure how good you are at IQ tests. They don't measure how intelligent you are.

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[Cybele]

Fitter, on 09 November 2009 - 12:15 AM, said:

IQ tests only measure how good you are at IQ tests. They don't measure how intelligent you are.

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I think they do measure certain types of intelligence fairly well. For example, visuospatial questions, which involve the mental rotation of 3d objects, test abilities that are very important in engineering. IQ scores correlate fairly well with SAT scores and the highest educational degree a person will acheive. The problem is, there are many different types of intelligence and IQ tests don't and can't measure them all.

This post has been edited by Cybele: 09 November 2009 - 01:40 AM

[Dahn]

I never thought those tests measured intelligence. I've seen some people with high IQs who were pretty dang dumb.

[Kim81]

Cybele, on 09 November 2009 - 05:36 AM, said:

I think they do measure certain types of intelligence fairly well. For example, visuospatial questions, which involve the mental rotation of 3d objects, test abilities that are very important in engineering. IQ scores correlate fairly well with SAT scores and the highest educational degree a person will acheive. The problem is, there are many different types of intelligence and IQ tests don't and can't measure them all.

I agree, my IQ is 127, and I can barely answer the questions on Are you smarter than a 5th grader

[Dr Alien]

Dahn, on 09 November 2009 - 05:19 AM, said:

I never thought those tests measured intelligence. I've seen some people with high IQs who were pretty dang dumb.

are you sure they weren't getting scammed

[Fitter]

Cybele, on 09 November 2009 - 01:36 AM, said:

I think they do measure certain types of intelligence fairly well. For example, visuospatial questions, which involve the mental rotation of 3d objects, test abilities that are very important in engineering. IQ scores correlate fairly well with SAT scores and the highest educational degree a person will acheive. The problem is, there are many different types of intelligence and IQ tests don't and can't measure them all.

This is my point. If you were to attempt a standard MENSA IQ test each day for a year, you would gradually get better at them as you became accustomed to the format of the questions and got a 'feel' for the range and density of the questions and the answers required; your IQ would 'go up.' At the end of the year, if you then tried to get a job as a rocket scientist, you would be flummoxed by the simplest and most fundamental theorems that faced you.

Think of cryptic crossword clues... they may baffle you (they do me) but once you get a feel for the angle the writer is taking, they become easier to solve; you don't learn anything from cryptic clues though.

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[cpjason]

I feel that it boils down to how you define genius, smart, and intelligence.

As an example I think everyone would agree that Mozart was genius for his music, yet his IQ score was probably horrible.

[DieChecker]

Well, we do know that Bush is smart enough not to get a **** job in the Oval Office. (Clinton)