[Greatest I am]

Are believers culpable for overpopulation?


This question was born from my hearing the story of a man with 17 children of whom 6 were not as normal, so to speak, as the rest. No twins. This family is poor and arguably has no quality of life.


Most Gods favor a reproducing group of adherents.
Without adherents, there relevance would be lost to history.

From Adam on down, we have not let God down, we have reproduced.

Be they Eastern or Western religions, are religions and believers responsible for our dismal control of reproduction?

Are believers culpable for our overpopulation?


Regards
DL

[ChloeB]

Breeding God's army - google quiverfull.

[tcgram]

I know that most of the christians who go to my church believe that children are a heritage from God. To them that means letting God "plan" their families and they do not use any form of birth control. I understand that and agree with it as long as they have the means to meet the needs of everyone in the family. That being said, I have witnessed families who simply cannot afford another mouth to feed but continue having child after child. My personal belief is that God gave us a brain for a reason. If you cannot afford another child, then take measures to not have another one.

[randomhit10]

Greatest I am, on 02 November 2009 - 07:10 PM, said:

Are believers culpable for overpopulation?


This question was born from my hearing the story of a man with 17 children of whom 6 were not as normal, so to speak, as the rest. No twins. This family is poor and arguably has no quality of life.


Most Gods favor a reproducing group of adherents.
Without adherents, there relevance would be lost to history.

From Adam on down, we have not let God down, we have reproduced.

Be they Eastern or Western religions, are religions and believers responsible for our dismal control of reproduction?

Are believers culpable for our overpopulation?


Regards
DL

a vast majority of believers i know are not as dumb as you would like to make people believe...and most of the semi or non believers i know are not this dumb either...

does this mean you are going to voluntarily be neutered?

randomhit10

This post has been edited by randomhit10: 02 November 2009 - 08:10 PM

[Michelle]

I, personally, can't think of anyone, under fifty years old, that I know that has more than three unless they've adopted a couple on top of their own. Most people I know just have one.

[Greatest I am]

tcgram, on 02 November 2009 - 08:44 PM, said:

I know that most of the christians who go to my church believe that children are a heritage from God. To them that means letting God "plan" their families and they do not use any form of birth control. I understand that and agree with it as long as they have the means to meet the needs of everyone in the family. That being said, I have witnessed families who simply cannot afford another mouth to feed but continue having child after child. My personal belief is that God gave us a brain for a reason. If you cannot afford another child, then take measures to not have another one.

In today's reality, is it moral for a family to have a dozen children even if they can afford it?

The butterfly effect says that a family that does so is killing someone else somewhere else.

Regards
DL

[Bluefinger]

Greatest I am, on 02 November 2009 - 01:10 PM, said:

Are believers culpable for overpopulation?


This question was born from my hearing the story of a man with 17 children of whom 6 were not as normal, so to speak, as the rest. No twins. This family is poor and arguably has no quality of life.


Most Gods favor a reproducing group of adherents.
Without adherents, there relevance would be lost to history.

From Adam on down, we have not let God down, we have reproduced.

Be they Eastern or Western religions, are religions and believers responsible for our dismal control of reproduction?

Are believers culpable for our overpopulation?


Regards
DL

lol, if such was the case, then atheist China would be scarcely populated.

I think that is natural to human beings to want to have sex and to want to raise children, especially more than one. God is the God of the living and promotes a special interest in creating life and sustaining it.

[Greatest I am]

ChloeB, on 02 November 2009 - 08:19 PM, said:

Breeding God's army - google quiverfull.

Thanks for that.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

randomhit10, on 02 November 2009 - 09:00 PM, said:

a vast majority of believers i know are not as dumb as you would like to make people believe...and most of the semi or non believers i know are not this dumb either...

does this mean you are going to voluntarily be neutered?

randomhit10

Dumb is as dumb says.
I see dumb.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Michelle, on 02 November 2009 - 09:04 PM, said:

I, personally, can't think of anyone, under fifty years old, that I know that has more than three unless they've adopted a couple on top of their own. Most people I know just have one.

I have no problem with those who have few.
It is those who have or promote many that I question and only because we are at a unique point in time.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Bluefinger, on 02 November 2009 - 10:02 PM, said:

lol, if such was the case, then atheist China would be scarcely populated.

I think that is natural to human beings to want to have sex and to want to raise children, especially more than one. God is the God of the living and promotes a special interest in creating life and sustaining it.

Hmm.
Google that topic and recant.
China is not all atheist.

Regards
DL

[Nightmelody]

Birth control can be hard to get in poverty stricken areas of the world,and in many places a woman does not have the right to say no to her husband. So they have babies, even when they are too poor to feed them or too fragile to birth them.

This post has been edited by Nightmelody: 03 November 2009 - 12:36 AM

[Sylent Nyte]

Greatest I am, on 02 November 2009 - 07:10 PM, said:

Are believers culpable for overpopulation?


This question was born from my hearing the story of a man with 17 children of whom 6 were not as normal, so to speak, as the rest. No twins. This family is poor and arguably has no quality of life.


Most Gods favor a reproducing group of adherents.
Without adherents, there relevance would be lost to history.

From Adam on down, we have not let God down, we have reproduced.

Be they Eastern or Western religions, are religions and believers responsible for our dismal control of reproduction?

Are believers culpable for our overpopulation?


Regards
DL

I don't believe so, actually. Most adherents to one Faith or another that I am friendly with are people of good sense and sound logic. They PLAN well, and make sure that they are able to support a child before having one. I know a bloke who is going to be married this December, and he's gone and bought up a good share in his workplace in order to prepare for two children in a three-year timeframe. This is a pious Catholic we're talking about, and the wife is also quite devout.

This however is an example of a person who has the means to plan, not someone who has a family without the means to support any form of planning. It may help the discussion if you could give us a demographic study of recent births(ie. in the last 5-10 years) of:

-What age group are having these babies
-The income of the families these babies are being born into
-The location where the majority of babies are born(country as well as region)
-Social caste into which the most babies are born, and
-if said social caste has the financial capacity to support X number of children.

This would at the very least give us a bit of empirical data to base any extrapolations on.

[Siara]

tcgram, on 02 November 2009 - 07:44 PM, said:

That being said, I have witnessed families who simply cannot afford another mouth to feed but continue having child after child. My personal belief is that God gave us a brain for a reason. If you cannot afford another child, then take measures to not have another one.

I've done some work for orphanages in Ecuador. I'll always remember going to this one place...

It was a typical 3rd world orphanage. The kids slept 6 or seven to a bed, there was one toilet for 50 kids. You could count the kids' ribs. They were Native American kids and should have had the lustrous black hair of their ancestors but their hair was sort of a gray brown because their bodies were so malnourished that they couldn't make the black pigment. The destiny of these kids was to be kicked out on to the streets to beg at the age of 12.

There were four brothers there, one year apart. Their mother had just informed the orphanage that she was pregnant and would be dropping ANOTHER kid off in a couple of months. What caused this situation? The Catholic Church with their barbaric refusal to address the issue of family planning.

YES they're culpable.

This post has been edited by Siara: 03 November 2009 - 10:57 AM

[randomhit10]

Greatest I am, on 02 November 2009 - 09:36 PM, said:

Dumb is as dumb says.
I see dumb.

Regards
DL

you know what?...i'm going to apologize to you for the earlier post i made...it just bothered me that almost every post you make bashes "believers", for the most incredible things....so instead of arguing back and forth i'm going to ask you exactly what is it about someone being a believer that bothers you so much?...so much so, that it must absorb you every waking moment...that must be very hard for you....maybe we can help your situation if you are willing...

randomhit10