[BlindMessiah]

Br Cornelius, on 05 November 2009 - 07:57 AM, said:

It is the process of rising through the grades which reveals that the Masons are not Christian in nature. It seems OK because they believe in a universal diety which has many aspects which seem superior to the Christian version. In order to get to these levels you have to be considered to be the sort of person who will not freak out that you have moved slightly sideways in your understanding of the Divine. The only people who could consider the Masonic Divinity as Demonic are a rather shallow bunch of fundamentalist Christians who firmly believe that Muslims are devil worshipers as well, despite the fact that they worship exactly the same flavour of Divinity. It is not the Masons who are the problem in this regard - it is the Christians.

However any group which actively recruits the great and good and influential and acts in secret (even from its own members as this is the nature of the grading system), has to be suspect in its intentions and overall aims. I believe it is a tool of the NWO and most members are totally unaware of this.

Br Cornelius

My point is this. Preacherman is an evangelical who believes that the NWO is literally a Satanic plot to rule mankind. If the Freemasons are a part of that plot, it would serve to reason that very high ranking members, such as 32nd degree, would be aware of their true agenda. So I'm just curious how he feels about his grandfather being a servant of the anti-Christ, assuming he does believe the Freemasons are part of the NWO. You see the connection I'm drawing?

[Br Cornelius]

BlindMessiah, on 05 November 2009 - 09:15 AM, said:

My point is this. Preacherman is an evangelical who believes that the NWO is literally a Satanic plot to rule mankind. If the Freemasons are a part of that plot, it would serve to reason that very high ranking members, such as 32nd degree, would be aware of their true agenda. So I'm just curious how he feels about his grandfather being a servant of the anti-Christ, assuming he does believe the Freemasons are part of the NWO. You see the connection I'm drawing?

Indeed I do .
I profoundly believe that you do not need a devil to blame to account for the mess in the world - it a big ugly cop out for not taking responsability for your own ****. This is the gripe I have with Christianity, and I have seen it up close and personal, where Christian family members have avoided issues in favour of letting God be their judge in the next life. They also refused to believe that a complex person could be good whilst doing bad things. Christianity seems to iron out the nuance's of human makeup - and we suffer as a consequence.
Sorry for the rant.

[preacherman76]

BlindMessiah, on 05 November 2009 - 01:21 AM, said:

I know you firmly believe in the New World Order in a Biblical sense, but do you believe the Freemasons are one of many secret societies behind it?

For the most part no. Most members join cause of the side benifits, folks like my father. They look out for each other big time. Its a brotherhood. From the cop who wont give a brother a ticket, to the judge who wont sentance a brother within the law. Its infiltrated most local governments, but there is no intent to rule the world.

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Isn't 32nd degree the second highest? If so, do you believe your grandfather is part of Satan's plot to establish the beast's kingdom? If you don't think the Freemasons are behind it, then never mind. But if you do, it seems to me that would force you to believe that your grandfather is part of a Satanic agenda.

I most certainly know for a fact he is part of a plan to establish the beasts kingdom. They dont really see it that way though. They think they are privileged with a truth we common folk are not able to understand. Even those among thier lower ranks. To listen to the top dogs, they see what they are doing as over all a benifit to mankind. I once tryed to talk with him about Christ and the bible during one of his informative drunken rants, and he just stopped talking. It was as though he realized he had said to much.

[preacherman76]

BlindMessiah, on 05 November 2009 - 05:15 AM, said:

My point is this. Preacherman is an evangelical who believes that the NWO is literally a Satanic plot to rule mankind. If the Freemasons are a part of that plot, it would serve to reason that very high ranking members, such as 32nd degree, would be aware of their true agenda. So I'm just curious how he feels about his grandfather being a servant of the anti-Christ, assuming he does believe the Freemasons are part of the NWO. You see the connection I'm drawing?

One correction. I dont believe the NWO is a satanic plot to rule mankind. I believe its a satanic plot to destroy mankind. The people who think the overall effect of the NWO will be thier ruling over mankind are decieved, and are just being used.

[preacherman76]

Br Cornelius, on 05 November 2009 - 05:34 AM, said:

Indeed I do .
I profoundly believe that you do not need a devil to blame to account for the mess in the world - it a big ugly cop out for not taking responsability for your own ****. This is the gripe I have with Christianity, and I have seen it up close and personal, where Christian family members have avoided issues in favour of letting God be their judge in the next life. They also refused to believe that a complex person could be good whilst doing bad things. Christianity seems to iron out the nuance's of human makeup - and we suffer as a consequence.
Sorry for the rant.

Youd probably think Id take that personal, I dont. I havent come to the conclutions I have on my own accord. Its through biblical prophecy that I firmly believe light has been shed to me on these subjects. So that makes me more of a representative, than someone who is personaly involved. Like the ambassitor of America doesnt get into a personal shouting match with Iran over some difference. He mearly represents the veiw of his country or in my case my Kingdom.

[preacherman76]

And just one side note, I love my Grandfather with all my heart. He has taught me more about the little things in life that many people just dont seem to grasp, such as self respect, paying what you owe, right down to cleaning a carborator. I have benifited from his life experiances far more than I have from any other person. I would meet anyone who wished to do him harm with destructive intent. It breaks my heart he is decieved in these ways, and it makes it worse that I cant do a single thing about it.

[preacherman76]

Br Cornelius, on 05 November 2009 - 03:57 AM, said:

It is the process of rising through the grades which reveals that the Masons are not Christian in nature. It seems OK because they believe in a universal diety which has many aspects which seem superior to the Christian version. In order to get to these levels you have to be considered to be the sort of person who will not freak out that you have moved slightly sideways in your understanding of the Divine. The only people who could consider the Masonic Divinity as Demonic are a rather shallow bunch of fundamentalist Christians who firmly believe that Muslims are devil worshipers as well, despite the fact that they worship exactly the same flavour of Divinity. It is not the Masons who are the problem in this regard - it is the Christians.

However any group which actively recruits the great and good and influential and acts in secret (even from its own members as this is the nature of the grading system), has to be suspect in its intentions and overall aims. I believe it is a tool of the NWO and most members are totally unaware of this.

Br Cornelius

I just wanted to take a second and address this comment.

I cant speak for all christians, and I know many of them do in fact feel that way, but to be honest I fear for my own soul, and for others who proclaim the same as I, far more than I do for a muslim. The bible proclaims to whom much is given, much is expected. And to those who are given little, little is expected. I believe there will be many in shock on that day when they see beside them a number untold of people who they condemed.

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[BlindMessiah]

preacherman76, on 05 November 2009 - 01:15 PM, said:

One correction. I dont believe the NWO is a satanic plot to rule mankind. I believe its a satanic plot to destroy mankind. The people who think the overall effect of the NWO will be thier ruling over mankind are decieved, and are just being used.

Couple of things. I just want to say that I wasn't intentionally trying to misrepresent you, as its difficult to keep each person's conspiracy theories on here straight. My questions though, what do the Elites, NWO and Satan gain from exterminating mankind? The Bible itself represents Satan's desire to be worshiped and rule as seen in the dialogue with Jesus in the desert and the humans serving him in your scenario surely can't benefit from self eradication. My final question, if they really do want to destroy mankind, why not just start a nuclear holocaust if they really control all of our politicians? Why go through the hassle of completely changing the world over hundreds of years just so they can wipe it out. Seems more efficient to simply kill everyone now.

[preacherman76]

BlindMessiah, on 05 November 2009 - 06:25 PM, said:

Couple of things. I just want to say that I wasn't intentionally trying to misrepresent you, as its difficult to keep each person's conspiracy theories on here straight.

No thing, I just wanted to set the record striaght.

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My questions though, what do the Elites, NWO and Satan gain from exterminating mankind?

Well the NWO, cant gain anything, but that isnt thier goal. There goal is to bring mans number down to a more controlable number, and consolidate their power over them. One world government, one world currency ect ect. Satan allows them to think this, and I believe has even convinced them of this. Satans very much wants not only the common folk dead, but the NWO dead as well. He is "like a lion, seeking whom he may devour" The king of lies and deceit. He will use greed to destroy men, if that is thier weakness.

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The Bible itself represents Satan's desire to be worshiped and rule as seen in the dialogue with Jesus in the desert and the humans serving him in your scenario surely can't benefit from self eradication.

Satan desires to set his throne higher than that of God, proclaiming he will be like the most high. He doesnt desire worship from man, nor did he see Christ as a man. He knew that Christ was both 100% God, and 100% man, and that he would hold the keys to death and hell.He was just hoping that in the weakened human condition Christ willfully exposed himself too, that he could corupt him. Im sure he probably knew better, but he had to give it a shot, it was his only hope. God gave Satan the earth to rule over, thats the reason he was in position to offer Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth. Anyhow the reason Satan wants everyone dead, is cause he blames us for his seperation from God. God expected him being the greatest of his angels, to serve man more than any other. He was filled with pride seeing man in truth (worthless sinner's) and refused. He also knew that even though we are unclean before God in truth, that one day we would be above himself as sons and daughters of God, one with him. That really pissed him off.

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My final question, if they really do want to destroy mankind, why not just start a nuclear holocaust if they really control all of our politicians? Why go through the hassle of completely changing the world over hundreds of years just so they can wipe it out. Seems more efficient to simply kill everyone now.

Well like I said, The NWO doesnt want to destroy all of mankind. I believe Satan would have no problem just wiping us all off the face of the earth as quickly has he can, however he has to operate under Gods graces, and is limited in his power over us.

[unit]

if there's nothing to hide, why have secrets?

..people seem to overlook that when discussing 'secret societies'

[Br Cornelius]

unit, on 06 November 2009 - 03:02 AM, said:

if there's nothing to hide, why have secrets?

..people seem to overlook that when discussing 'secret societies'

This is my position as well.
I feel that the Masons have a better conception of the Divine, theres is a Pantheistic world view where god is the great planner and director, but doesn't personally got involved in day to day affairs. They do not have a need for a Devil because their God has a triple aspect which acknowledges the earthy "Pan" aspect of the Divine energy. They have a plan where ultimately the great work involves direct Gnosis (knowledge of the Divine) for all of mankind. One aspect of their plan (as stated by themselves) is to bring this about. All this I admire and agree with.

I can even understand their need for secrecy because in the past these radically different conceptions of the Divine would have been considered heresy and could have led to the inquisition. However the habit of secrecy has taken hold, and it is impossible to know if their stated objectives are their real objectives. The simple act of secrecy is counter to their stated objective of universal enlightenment and knowledge and so is excluding. This is what I have issues with and why I hold the Freemasons in deep suspicion.

Br Cornelius

[Corp]

unit, on 05 November 2009 - 10:02 PM, said:

if there's nothing to hide, why have secrets?

..people seem to overlook that when discussing 'secret societies'

Just because someone doesn't want to answer every single question you have doesn't make them evil. After all what's the point of a secret club if you tell everyone about it?

[czech_mate55]

My father is a Mason, my husband is a Mason and I am a member of the female side (Eastern Star) and I want to clarify a few things. Anyone can join if they believe in a Higher Power (God, Allah, Yahweh) A Freemason is a 3rd Degree Master Mason. A 32nd Degree Mason is a Shriner or KNights Templar(in the U.S.). The one's who play the bagpipes and wear kilts in the parades. They are the Shriner's Hospitals and the Shriner's Circus.

Their typical meetings go like this:
Opening Ceremony....say a prayer, pledge of Allegience, Attendance
Introduction of honored guests and visitors
Speaker - The ones I remember are stories of civilians during war, history of the flag, a Mayor talking about history of the town, etc.
Sickness and Distress - Who is ill, in the hospital, etc.
Voting on who to give money to for the month (local charities, Children's homes, food banks) and any events they may want to participate in. They go to the local festivals and give out CHIP...Children Identification Packages where they take a photo of the child with a package for the parents to get DNA (swab inside the mouth) so the parent's have something in case a child is kidnapped or lost.
Closing..Another prayer and then go to the kitchen and eat ice cream.

My organization makes blankets for the veterans hospital and gives cards to the veterans. As well as many other local charities.

There is no politics or religion discussed at the meetings.

[Br Cornelius]

Preacherman,
I would be more than interested to hear some of those indiscretions your Grandfather told you. It would certainly fill out my understanding.

Br Cornelius

[Kim81]

I'm married to one, so from my standpoint they are an orginization that does a lot of good for others. Even though they do have their share of Secrets there is nothing sinister about them. My Husband is the kindest, most gentle guy I know so the rumors about them being illuminati or devil worshipers are all bull!!