[Corp]

czech_mate55, on 06 November 2009 - 10:23 AM, said:

My organization makes blankets for the veterans hospital and gives cards to the veterans. As well as many other local charities.

You monsters!!!

[Cybele]

themindlesschild, on 03 November 2009 - 03:47 PM, said:

Who are the Freemasons? Are They a Dangerous Secret Society Hellbent on World Domination? Or are the a Charitable organization Who do good works in their community? Are they Satanists? Are they Christians? Or are they a secular Group? They are a Strange group Shrouded in mystery. I would Like to Know more about them. Any accurate information would be Greatly appreciated.

Well, I don't know much about them, but I can tell you that some of their symbols and rituals bear a striking to those found in certain areas of the occult. They must have influenced the ceremonial magic group known as the Golden Dawn.

[Br Cornelius]

Cybele, on 06 November 2009 - 05:36 PM, said:

Well, I don't know much about them, but I can tell you that some of their symbols and rituals bear a striking to those found in certain areas of the occult. They must have influenced the ceremonial magic group known as the Golden Dawn.

The Golden Dawn and the O.T.O. are based on the Freemasons and that is where the similarity comes from, not the other way round. The symbology of Freemasonary is occult to the core and the rituals for the most part are watered down occult rituals. How did this come to pass, well the Freemasons were set up based on the ancient mystery religions and are fundamentally about creating Gnostic experiences in the members. They are about bringing down the Lucifarian light (remember that Jesus was refered to as having the Lucifarian light in the Bible). So fundamentally it is an organisation built upon the principles of Enlightening its members. So i hear you say, why are they not doing this anymore. Well they got interested in Politics and decided that their occult origins were a bit of a liability - so they buried them to a great extent. So in the lower degrees I believe you will find almost no active occult work left, but I suspect (but cannot confirm) that in the higher grades - especially above the 33rd grade the occult aspects come to dominate. Since most Freemasonic orders do not even have active grades above the 33rd grade, in order to progress further you have to join ever more selective orders - tailored to ever more specialized functions within the overall scheme.

Br Cornelius

[Br Cornelius]

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This post has been edited by Br Cornelius: 06 November 2009 - 06:46 PM

[Malruhn]

Br Cornelius, on 06 November 2009 - 05:53 AM, said:

I can even understand their need for secrecy because in the past these radically different conceptions of the Divine would have been considered heresy and could have led to the inquisition. However the habit of secrecy has taken hold, and it is impossible to know if their stated objectives are their real objectives. The simple act of secrecy is counter to their stated objective of universal enlightenment and knowledge and so is excluding. This is what I have issues with and why I hold the Freemasons in deep suspicion.

Br Cornelius

Brother Cornelius, if I might be so bold... by your own "logic", since you don't post on here using your full, REAL name, with your address, phone number and bank account numbers in your profile, you are keeping "secrets" and must therefore be part of the NWO. Should I hold everything that you say and do with an equal amount of suspicion?

I've been a Freemason for over a decade. The only "secrets" that we have are some funky hand-jive and secret words by which we can identify each other - and the same "secret" stuff that any organization has... bank account numbers and in some cases, where we offer charitable acts.

Why have grips and words? Because any idiot over the age of ten years old can copy one of our membership cards. It is maintained out of respect of the tradition that operative masons had of identifying each other when traveling (easily researched, I won't go further). The rest is just good business sense, except for the "secret" contributions. There are some folks that are VERY embarrassed by receiving help, so sometimes we "neglect" to advertise when we do good works.

And even our "secrets" aren't secret. Google reveals results of our "secrets" within seconds, so it is kind of a moot accusation.

And to those that were wondering about all of us being Christian... it isn't true. I've been to Raisings of Jews, Muslims, a Hindu, and several Agnostics.

I'll address more later, when I get home. Work is calling... (dang it!)

[Br Cornelius]

I hardly feel the two types of secrecy are comparable.
Freemasonic secrecy invites business and political corruption and there are innumerable examples of "Secret Societies" been involved in corruption. This is one of the main reasons why Freemasonary was banned in many countries.
That is not to say that Freemasonary is intrinsically corrupt - but who is to know - I doubt most of the members as the hierarchical nature precludes lower grade member knowing the activities of higher grade members.

Ultimately you cannot defend masonary because ultimately, unless you are at the highest grades, you cannot know what is going on and this is the specific purpose of its structure.

Br Cornelius

This post has been edited by Br Cornelius: 06 November 2009 - 07:21 PM

[ChloeB]

Cybele, on 06 November 2009 - 11:36 AM, said:

Well, I don't know much about them, but I can tell you that some of their symbols and rituals bear a striking to those found in certain areas of the occult. They must have influenced the ceremonial magic group known as the Golden Dawn.

Doesn't seem like they want to claim him, but there's no doubt Crowley was a part of them once, took what he liked about it, and incorporated it into his own.
http://www.freemason...qc/crowley.html
http://www.freemason...terCrowley.html

Br Cornelius, on 06 November 2009 - 12:34 PM, said:

The Golden Dawn and the O.T.O. are based on the Freemasons and that is where the similarity comes from, not the other way round. The symbology of Freemasonary is occult to the core and the rituals for the most part are watered down occult rituals. How did this come to pass, well the Freemasons were set up based on the ancient mystery religions and are fundamentally about creating Gnostic experiences in the members. They are about bringing down the Lucifarian light (remember that Jesus was refered to as having the Lucifarian light in the Bible). So fundamentally it is an organisation built upon the principles of Enlightening its members. So i hear you say, why are they not doing this anymore. Well they got interested in Politics and decided that their occult origins were a bit of a liability - so they buried them to a great extent. So in the lower degrees I believe you will find almost no active occult work left, but I suspect (but cannot confirm) that in the higher grades - especially above the 33rd grade the occult aspects come to dominate. Since most Freemasonic orders do not even have active grades above the 33rd grade, in order to progress further you have to join ever more selective orders - tailored to ever more specialized functions within the overall scheme.

Br Cornelius

I believe you are correct. Although, conspiracy theorists try to make it out to be a bunch of devil worshipers which is likely just Christian propaganda.

From the sister lodges: Order of the Eastern Star

[HerNibs]

czech_mate55, on 06 November 2009 - 08:23 AM, said:

My father is a Mason, my husband is a Mason and I am a member of the female side (Eastern Star) and I want to clarify a few things. Anyone can join if they believe in a Higher Power (God, Allah, Yahweh) A Freemason is a 3rd Degree Master Mason. A 32nd Degree Mason is a Shriner or KNights Templar(in the U.S.). The one's who play the bagpipes and wear kilts in the parades. They are the Shriner's Hospitals and the Shriner's Circus.

Their typical meetings go like this:
Opening Ceremony....say a prayer, pledge of Allegience, Attendance
Introduction of honored guests and visitors
Speaker - The ones I remember are stories of civilians during war, history of the flag, a Mayor talking about history of the town, etc.
Sickness and Distress - Who is ill, in the hospital, etc.
Voting on who to give money to for the month (local charities, Children's homes, food banks) and any events they may want to participate in. They go to the local festivals and give out CHIP...Children Identification Packages where they take a photo of the child with a package for the parents to get DNA (swab inside the mouth) so the parent's have something in case a child is kidnapped or lost.
Closing..Another prayer and then go to the kitchen and eat ice cream.

My organization makes blankets for the veterans hospital and gives cards to the veterans. As well as many other local charities.

There is no politics or religion discussed at the meetings.

Great, now everyone knows. Next you're going to talk about the bake sales and "they" will have to take serious action.

Oooh. You're going to be in such trouble.


*grew up in all of this*

Welcome to the board.



Nibs

[Corp]

Bake sales? You mean these...soulless freaks...actually make bakes goods and sell them to random people in order to raise money for worth causes? Sicking.

[HerNibs]

Corp, on 06 November 2009 - 01:02 PM, said:

Bake sales? You mean these...soulless freaks...actually make bakes goods and sell them to random people in order to raise money for worth causes? Sicking.

Yes, and when we are feeling exceptionally evil, we use sprinkles.




Nibs

[czech_mate55]

LOL...Thanks for the chuckle Nibs!

I think I'll enjoy these topics and discussions

[lookingfortruth]

Kim81, on 06 November 2009 - 04:43 PM, said:

I'm married to one, so from my standpoint they are an orginization that does a lot of good for others. Even though they do have their share of Secrets there is nothing sinister about them. My Husband is the kindest, most gentle guy I know so the rumors about them being illuminati or devil worshipers are all bull!!

exactly, the freemason i met was a real great guy and denounced every single rumor on the internet. I just may decide to join them some day

[ShadowSot]

I've enjoyed reading about Freemasonry, and enjoy some of the material some of the members have published, even the infamous Albert Pike.

That said, don't think I want to join. Not my type of group.

[ChloeB]

lookingfortruth, on 07 November 2009 - 09:48 PM, said:

exactly, the freemason i met was a real great guy and denounced every single rumor on the internet. I just may decide to join them some day

I had a great uncle who was one, just your average Joe kinda guy. I sincerely doubt he was involved in any grand global domination satanic illuminati conspiracy. He did have an extremely long funeral because he was a Mason.

[Mobhitmusicman]

HerNibs, on 06 November 2009 - 08:13 PM, said:

Yes, and when we are feeling exceptionally evil, we use sprinkles.




Nibs

Jeeze Nibs and Checz Why don't you two just tell them about the Funnel cake stan...... Opps!

MMM