[Cadetak]

The Silver Thong, on 04 November 2009 - 01:40 AM, said:

So we agree that there should be zero jewelry worn? If thats the case right on

Yeah sure. Some jewlery is against the dress code of most business' anyways so that isn't an issue at all. Earings of any type risk the chance of falling off and bracelets are dangly and because they aren't really washed can pose a problem.

Not too sure what can be said about necklaces that are worn under the shirt, nothing emmediate comes to mind but even if there is the smallest risk it should be addressed. These are hospitals mind you.

Overall all places have dress codes that you agree to while working there, right there is enough to void this issue. In hospitals especially, employees personal beliefs shouldn't trump safety and protocol.

As we all know this is only an issue because of religion. If it were doctors aren't allowed to were sneakers nobody would care and it wouldn't make the news.

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Italy and the separation of church and state is almost an oxymoron. However they are progressive. It has only been recently that the Vatican didn't play a very important part in WWII and Italy. As far as the U.S. and it's clandestine friends LOL

The world is a different place then it in the 40s even if it wasn't that long ago. The Vatican isn't apart of Italy, and Italy no longer recognizes catholicism as its national religion.

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As far as symbolism goes where do we draw the line? In my home town a symbolic dagger was not allowed into a concert at a government/private building being leased for a concert. The ones that were refused entry tried to break the law by bringing weapons/daggers, guess what? they sued. Hence when do we have to supersede religion to keep the peace/law?

Religion should never supercede the law. What is religion but a group of people agreeing to believe in a made up thing?

A symbolic dagger is still a dagger which is a weapon, it is against the law to carry a blade of a certain length in public. It is not really a religious issue, or a suppression of religion, it only seems like that to the religious. If I carry a symbolic ceremonial shotgun around with me and get arrested is it because they hate my religion or because its a shotgun? This isn't even an issue of separation of church and state.

Separation of church and state is crucial for reasons I'm sure we are all very well aware of and that have bin discussed many of times on this site.

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Most important thing, one Law for all ! If we want to all be treated as equals then so be it. Might be worse as we slip down the politicaly correct highway but damn it's going to happen.

It becomes a double standard, they want their christian dictated statues, prayers, and pseudo science in schools but through a fit when a Harry Potter book hits, a gay film is released, or they see a muslim.

As much as we speak of equality we don't really want it...we want it our way at the expense of anybody who disagrees.

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Come on man, the Vatican dictates a crap load and when caught in a no dumping zone they move on

That's what I was saying. It's ironic that they would criticize anybody else for dictating.

[susieice]

Jewelry does not compromise the safety or proper protocols in a health care facility. I don't work in a hospital. I work in a multi-level elderly healthcare facility. My rings and watch are covered by my gloves whenever I do patient care. Every time I wash and sterilize my hands my rings and watch are washed and sterilized also. I can tell you I go through about 3 watches a year, water-proof or not. My earrings have never fallen out and since I only take them out once a week to clean them, they take a shower with me every day. They never come in contact with any medical items whatsoever. As for necklaces, I told the girls at work about this and none of us can see what they affect other than that it's possible for a resident to pull them off, which has never happened to any of us. Dress codes where we work allow us to wear these but in an operating room I would agree, all jewelry should be removed just as a patient is required to remove theirs, except for earrings, I know. Universal precautions of gloves and proper hand washing will protect the resident and us from any infectious contact. The only thing I've ever heard of as mentioned above is fingernails which are required to be kept trimmed. Don't want people panicing because a nurse is wearing her wedding ring and everyone fears getting an E Coli infection.

Daggers and shotguns are in a whole different catagory. So what if doctors wear sneakers. Nurses and Aides do. We're on our feet for 8-12 hours a day. We don't even wear white anymore. So what about the turbans? How about pocket pen carriers? Clip boards? Eyeglasses?

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susieice, on 04 November 2009 - 10:02 PM, said:

Jewelry does not compromise the safety or proper protocols in a health care facility. I don't work in a hospital. I work in a multi-level elderly healthcare facility. My rings and watch are covered by my gloves whenever I do patient care. Every time I wash and sterilize my hands my rings and watch are washed and sterilized also. I can tell you I go through about 3 watches a year, water-proof or not. My earrings have never fallen out and since I only take them out once a week to clean them, they take a shower with me every day. They never come in contact with any medical items whatsoever. As for necklaces, I told the girls at work about this and none of us can see what they affect other than that it's possible for a resident to pull them off, which has never happened to any of us. Dress codes where we work allow us to wear these but in an operating room I would agree, all jewelry should be removed just as a patient is required to remove theirs, except for earrings, I know. Universal precautions of gloves and proper hand washing will protect the resident and us from any infectious contact. The only thing I've ever heard of as mentioned above is fingernails which are required to be kept trimmed. Don't want people panicing because a nurse is wearing her wedding ring and everyone fears getting an E Coli infection.

Daggers and shotguns are in a whole different catagory. So what if doctors wear sneakers. Nurses and Aides do. We're on our feet for 8-12 hours a day. We don't even wear white anymore. So what about the turbans? How about pocket pen carriers? Clip boards? Eyeglasses?

You missed the point, the point being is that people try to make things into religious rights issues when they are nothing of the sort.