[Beckys_Mom]

randomhit10, on 09 November 2009 - 06:20 PM, said:

it is cool that she thinks that about the Lord...

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

she honored her mother and did what she asked...

but i am with you...i'm not sure i want to stay around unless i am independent...

randomhit10

Because I love and respect her.....Ididnt have the heart to say - But if this is a reward from god, why does it make you so sad and just want to go?

Bless her....she's like a saint in her home tow...well known...

[randomhit10]

Beckys_Mom, on 09 November 2009 - 06:45 PM, said:

Because I love and respect her.....Ididnt have the heart to say - But if this is a reward from god, why does it make you so sad and just want to go?

Bless her....she's like a saint in her home tow...well known...

maybe she has spent so much time giving to others that she does not know how to give to herself...maybe she needs help now....

randomhit10

[Beckys_Mom]

randomhit10, on 09 November 2009 - 10:01 PM, said:

maybe she has spent so much time giving to others that she does not know how to give to herself...maybe she needs help now....

randomhit10

She's 106...and I just would like a few more years out of her...I am thankful she hasnt lost it and gotten ill...

[Mr Walker]

Beckys_Mom, on 10 November 2009 - 01:59 AM, said:

I admire both you and your wife for that..... Do you think god has in some way rewarded you both? not that you expect reward..I know you don't...well at least not while on earth you don't....but do you feel he has anyway?

Thats what my aunt Mary thinks...gods way of saying thanks to her for what she did

Although my great aunt says it could be god rewarding her... <---I hadn't the heart to tell her that if that is a reward..then why is the reward making her so very sad?..................I wouldnt dare say that to her...only because I love and respect her...she took good care of me so.......!!!

I dont know about god, but life gave us more rewards than pain We gained so much from those 6 years in learning about ourselve We gained from having mum and dad with us.
For both of us there was no other moral/ethical choice.
People say it must have been hard or that we were good to do it, but neither is true. Physical effort, tiredness etc are not bad for one, and discipline, long days and little time for time out are not intrinsically bad for one. You dont have to be good to do what is right or what brings you joy.

I know that, religious or not, humans are happier when they live according to the codes of conduct they believe are right. I know, also, that life "rewards" mamy ethically correct and morally right decisions and "Punishes" those which are not.

It is not really reward and punishment, of course, but the natural consequences of actions. Human ethics and moralities often develop in response to learned experiential knowledge. Ie what we see as ethically right is(through social evolution) proved to be positive and constructive.

I do think that god helped us; physically, emotionally, etc while we were caring for mum and dad. He gave us patience, physical strength, and well being. He helped preserve our sense of humour, and deal with the emotions of watching loved ones revert back to a childhood, and then infancy, with death at the end. He gave us wisdom to see the many layers involved, and to learn from the experience.

And yes, he approved of our love of, and our care for, my wife's parents. Perhaps because it reflects the love god gives us, and which he sees as integral and imperative part of being human.

I dont believe(or disbelieve) in the reward of an afterlife . However, i know "god" (as i experience him) provides natural rewards in this life, when people live as he expects them to live.

[Beckys_Mom]

Mr Walker, on 10 November 2009 - 04:02 AM, said:

I dont know about god, but life gave us more rewards than pain We gained so much from those 6 years in learning about ourselve We gained from having mum and dad with us.
For both of us there was no other moral/ethical choice.
People say it must have been hard or that we were good to do it, but neither is true. Physical effort, tiredness etc are not bad for one, and discipline, long days and little time for time out are not intrinsically bad for one. You dont have to be good to do what is right or what brings you joy.

Mr Walker..if you believed god has in fact saved you from death...by saving you and letting you live longer..is that not a reward itself? You then began to apprecaite life..is that not rewarding?

Do I feel god rewards others on earth.....yes I do as it happens..very much so...just like i do in the after life..the reward is getting to see your loved ones again

[Mr Walker]

Beckys_Mom, on 10 November 2009 - 04:18 PM, said:

Mr Walker..if you believed god has in fact saved you from death...by saving you and letting you live longer..is that not a reward itself? You then began to apprecaite life..is that not rewarding?

Do I feel god rewards others on earth.....yes I do as it happens..very much so...just like i do in the after life..the reward is getting to see your loved ones again

This is true, but i dont see it as god "giving rewards" God helps us understand self and others, and understand why we need to act and think in certain ways.

But acting and thinking in those ways brings positive natural consequences. In my understanding, these are not rewards from god for good behaviour. But then i have never seen, or understood, god to punish bad behaviour, either.

He will educate us in what is destructive and harmful, but if we choose to act act in ways which bring harm, that is understandable, logical, and possibly inevitable, natural consequence, not a punishment from god.

GOd is a teacher during our lives on earth, not a policeman, judge or jury but then i would see god that way

God saved my life(many times) but that was not conditional, and thus not a reward. If anything, it was a free will gift from god. Of course it might seem like a reward, but then one would have to ask, what for? (or pedantically, for what?)

What could i do, that god needed so much that he would have to reward me for it. The answer of course is, most likely nothing. Thus, in my eyes/logic, it was a gift not a reward.

[Beckys_Mom]

Mr Walker, on 10 November 2009 - 01:28 PM, said:

This is true, but i dont see it as god "giving rewards" God helps us understand self and others, and understand why we need to act and think in certain ways.

But acting and thinking in those ways brings positive natural consequences. In my understanding, these are not rewards from god for good behaviour. But then i have never seen, or understood, god to punish bad behaviour, either.

What could i do, that god needed so much that he would have to reward me for it. The answer of course is, most likely nothing. Thus, in my eyes/logic, it was a gift not a reward.

A gift is like a reward if you wanted to have a play on words so to speak

What I meant was god allowing one to live and appreciate life and even god allowing one to see their loved ones again is rewarding... not the same as saying it a reward for being ohh so good.... its rewarding


Be honest here ita all a play on words .....

[Mr Walker]

Beckys_Mom, on 11 November 2009 - 05:29 AM, said:

A gift is like a reward if you wanted to have a play on words so to speak

What I meant was god allowing one to live and appreciate life and even god allowing one to see their loved ones again is rewarding... not the same as saying it a reward for being ohh so good.... its rewarding


Be honest here ita all a play on words .....

Im an older', conservative, pedantic, English teacher. Of course i think it is important to use words so that they accurately say what one means, and for each person to have a common understanding.

But otherwise you are correct. As long as the intent is clear to both, the actual words are less important.

I agree with the way you put it above. It is rewarding. I do not, however, see it as god giving us a reward for "being good" or "doing his will."

Hard work rewards us with muscles, but god does not make our muscles grow, because we are working hard.

[Beckys_Mom]

Mr Walker, on 10 November 2009 - 10:50 PM, said:

Im an older', conservative, pedantic, English teacher. Of course i think it is important to use words so that they accurately say what one means, and for each person to have a common understanding.

But otherwise you are correct. As long as the intent is clear to both, the actual words are less important.

I agree with the way you put it above. It is rewarding. I do not, however, see it as god giving us a reward for "being good" or "doing his will."

Hard work rewards us with muscles, but god does not make our muscles grow, because we are working hard.

You are an english teacher..then now you have become one of my favouite members of UM......I loved English lessons..I adored all my english teachers..it was by far the best subject to take up in school..and yes I must add, I was pretty good at it..I just loved that subject. I even went on in school from I wasv 17 + - 22 years old..and studied English Lit, granted it was a bit complex but regardless English and English Lit is IMO the best school subjects... Good for you Mr Walker

Anyhoo yes it is rewarding..as for doing gods will, well as we can't speak on gods behalf, then it just a metter of our own opinion... I say god would reward anyone that does his will...lol...but yes Mr Walker I fully understand what you mean

[markdohle]

I have really enjoyed the exchange between you and Mr. Walker. For me the reward of love is simply the capicity to love more, an eteral process in my mind.

Peace
mark

[Beckys_Mom]

markdohle, on 12 November 2009 - 03:51 PM, said:

I have really enjoyed the exchange between you and Mr. Walker. For me the reward of love is simply the capicity to love more, an eteral process in my mind.

Peace
mark

Awww well said...absolutely well said


A reward for me is being granted a child that I can raise and look after..its also my main duty...I love it

[Mr Walker]

markdohle, on 13 November 2009 - 02:21 AM, said:

I have really enjoyed the exchange between you and Mr. Walker. For me the reward of love is simply the capicity to love more, an eteral process in my mind.

Peace
mark

Thanks mark. Our relationship tends to be one of extremes, but i admire and respect BM for many reasons even when violently disagreeing with her.

As ive got older, physical love has waned and metaphysical love has waxed I now find myself approaching oneness with the universe. You cant do that if there are bits of the universe (eg people) you cant love.

So i find myself approaching the wisdom of my parents who tried to make clear to me as a child that a person can disapprove of anothers beliefs or actions and yet still love them for what hey are and what they represent as a fraction and microcosm of humanity.

Each of us raises the potentiality of the universe a fraction, and each of us is innately worthy and deserving of love, no matter how terrible or reprehensible our thoughts, or even our behaviour, might be.

Thus, at the extreme, i could kill a person trying to do me harm, and yet truly love them as a human being. I would kill them to stop them hurting me, or one I was responsible for caring for, and yet grieve their passing, and mourn the worlds loss.

I grieve for the lost potential of all unborn children, but also for the women who die in childbirth, or in backyard abortions. Every one of them is part of the cohesive whole of the universe, and more specifically of the cosmic consciousness.
The loss of one human being represents a small, but important, loss of a part of each one of us.

[markdohle]

Beckys_Mom, on 12 November 2009 - 10:56 AM, said:

Awww well said...absolutely well said


A reward for me is being granted a child that I can raise and look after..its also my main duty...I love it

Life gets better just wait and see. You love God, so your soul will grow more in more in his/her/it's likeness. As I get older I have trouble with any words or concepts about God....so excuse the overcomplicated wording.

Peace
Mark

[markdohle]

Mr Walker, on 13 November 2009 - 05:22 AM, said:

Thanks mark. Our relationship tends to be one of extremes, but i admire and respect BM for many reasons even when violently disagreeing with her.

As ive got older, physical love has waned and metaphysical love has waxed I now find myself approaching oneness with the universe. You cant do that if there are bits of the universe (eg people) you cant love.

So i find myself approaching the wisdom of my parents who tried to make clear to me as a child that a person can disapprove of anothers beliefs or actions and yet still love them for what hey are and what they represent as a fraction and microcosm of humanity.

Each of us raises the potentiality of the universe a fraction, and each of us is innately worthy and deserving of love, no matter how terrible or reprehensible our thoughts, or even our behaviour, might be.

Thus, at the extreme, i could kill a person trying to do me harm, and yet truly love them as a human being. I would kill them to stop them hurting me, or one I was responsible for caring for, and yet grieve their passing, and mourn the worlds loss.

I grieve for the lost potential of all unborn children, but also for the women who die in childbirth, or in backyard abortions. Every one of them is part of the cohesive whole of the universe, and more specifically of the cosmic consciousness.
The loss of one human being represents a small, but important, loss of a part of each one of us.

A very thoughtful comment. Yeah Becky's mom's has gotten my attention as well, she is certainly different, refreshing so...though like you I don't often agree, but I am almost 61, so I have a lot of miles behind me, starting to feel it , however in spite of it all life gets better as the years fly by.

Abortion is always a painful issue. I don't like simplistic answers on it. Change has to come from the bottom up not from the top down.

Thanks again for your thoughtful reply.

peace
mark

[Beckys_Mom]

markdohle, on 13 November 2009 - 06:18 PM, said:

A very thoughtful comment. Yeah Becky's mom's has gotten my attention as well, she is certainly different, refreshing so...though like you I don't often agree, but I am almost 61, so I have a lot of miles behind me, starting to feel it , however in spite of it all life gets better as the years fly by.

Abortion is always a painful issue. I don't like simplistic answers on it. Change has to come from the bottom up not from the top down.

WOW you and Mr Walke are both in your 60's..........my dad just turned 57...no wait...my mom just turned 57 my da turned 56...thats it..both born in the same month NOV but a year appart LOL


I like a challenge myself...I can't stand the constant agree posts...they are nice for a while but when someone really steps up and challenges you....then its worth posting...as long as they don't yap and complain too much...for that just sucks

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Thanks mark. Our relationship tends to be one of extremes, but i admire and respect BM for many reasons even when violently disagreeing with her.

Thank you Mr Walker........yes we both strongly disagree on most things...but its nothing personal...as you well know LOL...I read posts and if I feel I have a disagreement..oh I will be sure to say..if I agree I'll say so too.thats how I work.......I could agree with you and admire a post of yours in one thread.......but in another if I feel you are wrong..ohh i'll soon say so LOL its all good