[Ufo Believer]

From - Prison Planet

The Empire strikes back – right when when public support for the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan sinks to all time lows, an anti-war Islamic extremist with links to suicide bombers goes on a shooting rampage at a U.S. army base, reinvigorating support for the war on terror and demonizing opposition to it as anti-American extremism. The scam would be believable if it wasn’t so perfectly staged.

Without getting into convoluted conspiracy theories about mind control and whatever else, not that they aren’t without merit, the facts we already know about Hasan and his behavior prior to the deadly shootings just screams out “patsy” and “set-up” and almost exactly mirrors other terror scams the Empire has run in the past.

Just like the would-be liquid bombers that were supposedly planning on bringing down multiple airliners in August 2006, who were caught on CCTV buying bulk supplies of cake in the very hours before the plot, Hasan’s pre-shooting behavior contradicts completely the idea that he was preparing for a deadly rampage.

Shortly before the massacre, Hasan was caught on camera shopping at the convenience store located on the army base – laughing and joking. Is this the behavior of a man psychologically readying himself for the high-intensity horror of gunning down dozens of his colleagues, or someone unaware of what was to follow?

More here: http://www.prisonpla...eams-patsy.html

This post has been edited by Ufo Believer: 06 November 2009 - 03:50 PM

[aquatus1]

How is it that we are always hearing about the popular support for the war being at an all-time low, and yet only when this sort of thing happens does it suddenly become a triggering cause for something?

On that, I wonder if the writer of the article is familiar with the rather well-known phenomena of suicide victims being so upbeat prior to their suicides? After all, once you have made the decision to end it all, your troubles are pretty much pointless.

And as far as being a patsy goes...wouldn't that have required him being killed? And would killing him have been extraordinarily easy to accomplish in these circumstances?

[Ufo Believer]

If he wanted to kill him self, which is funny he didn't just do that, that would have been better than taking 12 people down and injuring 31. He didn't even shoot himself and he's still alive.

[Corp]

Well that didn't take long...

[aquatus1]

Ufo Believer, on 06 November 2009 - 05:02 PM, said:

If he wanted to kill him self, which is funny he didn't just do that, that would have been better than taking 12 people down and injuring 31. He didn't even shoot himself and he's still alive.

I hope you aren't under the impression he's the first suicide case to want to take others down with him.

[KennyB]

You can bet he considered himself on a suicide mission. Why would he even dream he would survive once he ran out of ammo? I wonder if this could be another of the CIA's 'Manchurian Candidate' projects? Seems very similar to The Sirhan Sirhan action. KennyB

[conspiracybeliever]

aquatus1, on 06 November 2009 - 05:59 PM, said:

I hope you aren't under the impression he's the first suicide case to want to take others down with him.

You don't know this was a suicide! You know nothing about it except all the crap coming from the media. Why do you people all think you're psychiatrists or psychologists. He couldn't have done it for the same reason America does their killing? Oh that's right it couldn't be. What would money and power do for him now? Everyone knows the only sane reason to run around murdering is money and power. Anything else would be insane. Is that you're thought on this matter?

[Fluffybunny]

Good grief. Has anyone here who believes this, spent any time studying suicides? murder suicides? situations like this have happened before, and yes people can try to take as many people with them as they can before they are stopped...by their own bullet or a police officers.

Or is it just more fun to jump on the CT bandwagon before the ink is even dry and you even know what happened? You guys are jumping to the furthest extreme of logic based on no evidence(the 7-11 video? never studied psychology have you? Never dealt with suicidal people, have you? I have, a lot...when they are at their worst... That video proves nothing and people preparing to kill themselves aren't always sad...very often just the opposite), trying to make this into something it isn't.

[aquatus1]

conspiracybeliever, on 06 November 2009 - 06:21 PM, said:

You don't know this was a suicide!

No, I don't. I only know what has been reported to us. And everything that has so far been reported is pretty standard behaviour in a suicide situation.

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You know nothing about it except all the crap coming from the media. Why do you people all think you're psychiatrists or psychologists.

It doesn't take a psychiatrist to know these things. Pretty much everyone who has had to work as a firefighter, law enforcement, social worker, or a teacher, or pretty much any of a dozen other professions, knows these things. It's pretty basic stuff.

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He couldn't have done it for the same reason America does their killing? Oh that's right it couldn't be.

He could have done his killing because radio waves from Mars ordered him to. It's just not very likely.

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What would money and power do for him now? Everyone knows the only sane reason to run around murdering is money and power. Anything else would be insane. Is that you're thought on this matter?

Ahh...no.

Actually, as far as I can tell, you are the only person who seems to have been thinking of this.

[conspiracybeliever]

aquatus1, on 06 November 2009 - 07:14 PM, said:

No, I don't. I only know what has been reported to us. And everything that has so far been reported is pretty standard behaviour in a suicide situation.



It doesn't take a psychiatrist to know these things. Pretty much everyone who has had to work as a firefighter, law enforcement, social worker, or a teacher, or pretty much any of a dozen other professions, knows these things. It's pretty basic stuff.



He could have done his killing because radio waves from Mars ordered him to. It's just not very likely.





Ahh...no.

Actually, as far as I can tell, you are the only person who seems to have been thinking of this.

Maybe the suicide theory would be more believable if you at least added that he hated this country or this war or the murdering enough to die for his beliefs. The man was a psychiatrist. I think that should tell us how much psychiatry is worth. Psychiatry when used for government purposes is nothing but another way to convince the masses of whatever the government wants the masses to believe. The man wanted out. Instead of listening to him they tried to use force. He fought back and this is what happened.

[aquatus1]

conspiracybeliever, on 06 November 2009 - 07:31 PM, said:

Maybe the suicide theory would be more believable if you at least added that he hated this country or this war or the murdering enough to die for his beliefs.

I'm not in the habit of adding things without support. I have no idea if he hated this country, or this war, or...I'm not sure what that last one is...

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The man was a psychiatrist. I think that should tell us how much psychiatry is worth.

You've never heard the phrase "Doctor, Heal Thyself!"

Doctors are infamous for being the worst patients.

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Psychiatry when used for government purposes is nothing but another way to convince the masses of whatever the government wants the masses to believe.

Sooo...what? Because this man was a psychiatrist, he is a tool for the government to get the masses to believe? I'm not sure I'm following the logic here.

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The man wanted out. Instead of listening to him they tried to use force. He fought back and this is what happened.

Yes. In my opinion.

[conspiracybeliever]

Actually what I meant was psychiatry was a tool to get the masses to believe what they want them to believe. They should have just listened to him and talked to him. Instead all they know is force. They create their own problems. They create desperate people. They created this incident.

[Corp]

Fluffybunny, on 06 November 2009 - 01:41 PM, said:

Good grief. Has anyone here who believes this, spent any time studying suicides? murder suicides? situations like this have happened before, and yes people can try to take as many people with them as they can before they are stopped...by their own bullet or a police officers.

Or is it just more fun to jump on the CT bandwagon before the ink is even dry and you even know what happened? You guys are jumping to the furthest extreme of logic based on no evidence(the 7-11 video? never studied psychology have you? Never dealt with suicidal people, have you? I have, a lot...when they are at their worst... That video proves nothing and people preparing to kill themselves aren't always sad...very often just the opposite), trying to make this into something it isn't.

This. The bodies are barely cold and people are already trying to pin this on some evil government plot.

[aquatus1]

conspiracybeliever, on 06 November 2009 - 07:55 PM, said:

Actually what I meant was psychiatry was a tool to get the masses to believe what they want them to believe.

Ah, I see. And I disagree. Psychiatry is a branch of medicine dealing with the diagnosis and treatment of mental disorders. Psychology is the study of the human mind and human behavior. Propaganda is information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause. Propaganda is a tool that uses as one of its elements basic human psychology. Psychiatry isn't in the picture. It's like saying that dentistry is a tool to make people fat.

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They should have just listened to him and talked to him. Instead all they know is force. They create their own problems. They create desperate people. They created this incident.

Not to make too fine a point of it, but you know no more about this situation than any of us do, and what you know came from the same sources that we have. You don't know if anyone listened to him or not, or what steps, if any, they took.

Everything that you have accused others of doing here, you have done yourself.

This post has been edited by aquatus1: 06 November 2009 - 08:28 PM

[HollyDolly]

Corp, on 06 November 2009 - 01:58 PM, said:

This. The bodies are barely cold and people are already trying to pin this on some evil government plot.

When I heard about it, at first they mentioned i think three people invovled in the shooting.the other two have been released. I thought that maybe it was a terrorist plot, perhasp by hate to say it muslims in the military or posing as military men who somehow managed to get on base.
As far as his behaviour while at the convience store,well come on folks, you have professional hitmaen for the mob or gangs.A famous one is known as the Iceman,Richard Kucklinski,you can google the Iceman.
Anyhow, this guy was married with a family and all, yet he had dinner with the wife and kids and then went out and killed someone . Maybe he was afraid to go to Afganhistan because he was afraid to kill a fewllow muslim brother.I don't know the answer, I just do'nt think our government went and did a Manchurian Candidate deal.
My dad fought in World War Two.He was german, had relatives in the german military there. But that didn't stop him from fighting or killing fellow germans.
If this guy survives, maybe we will know the answers on this hopefully. But don't be surprised if this happens again. By the way,what was the deal on Fort Clark.I heard it mentioned on the news, but not really much details.