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[polterguyzt]

Vampires are all about blood sucking, and becuase of they way they act sometimes, one might think that all vampires suck, realy, i think that vampires as a whole are a rare species. Muahahahaha....chuapa harcore!, but in they end, i think they only vampire per say, is Richerd Simmons...that s my view on the subject in hand  

[Stormcrow]

Actually, vampires don't suck blood at all. They eat their victims.

[667-Neighbor of the Beast]

OK, to sum things up:

1)Vampires do not exist.  They are a folklore that was fabricated by our ancestors to explain things which they did not understand.  Same with werewolves, witches, and such.  If you think that there must be truth to these stories, just remember that the same people that made this stuff up also thought the earth was flat, and the universe revolved around the earth.  There does not have to be a bit of truth in every story.

2)"emotional vampires" are not people who literally "feed" off of negative emotions.  They are simply called "drama queens" in most places, and like to bring other people down to make them feel better about themselves.  It has to do with low self esteem, not hunger.   Their self esteem is so low, that to see others feel bad in any way, simply makes them feel better about their own situation.  They do not feed on the bad emaotions, but rather enjoy the rush of making someone else feel bad about themselves somehow.

3)any person who feeds on another person is not a vampire, but rather a cannibal.  A vampire, according to all legends, NEEDS to feed on human blood in order to survive, not to mention is supposed to be dead.  People who CHOOSE to eat another human, or drink their blood are simply cannibals, not vampires.  

4)Shapeshifting is impossible, not matter what the creature is.  It is a scientific, biological, physical impossibility.  Simple physics and biology will tell you that.  

5)As far as Richard Simmons goes, I do not think it is blood that he chooses to suck.

6)Winter in Kentucky is a bad time to throw someone onto a lake to see if they stay on the surface or drowned, because most likely, the lake is frozen over, and they will most certainly slide across the surface!!  Might as well see if she weighs the same as a duck!!!

Edited by 667-Neighbor of the Beast, 14 December 2009 - 03:20 PM.

[Stormcrow]

What a wonderful post! Loving every bit of it. Though, I do need to make a correction:

667-Neighbor of the Beast, on 14 December 2009 - 03:18 PM, said:

6)Winter in Kentucky is a bad time to throw someone onto a lake to see if they stay on the surface or drowned, because most likely....

...there won't be any ice, and they'll plunge to the icy abyss OR be swallowed by a giant catfish.

[Kazahel]

Ebonykrow, on 14 December 2009 - 04:07 PM, said:

What a wonderful post! Loving every bit of it. Though, I do need to make a correction:

I'll make another.. or I'll add to the summary if thats ok..

Shapeshifting is possible just not how most tend to assume.. and I think the same could be said in regards to vampires, werewolves and witches. So the stories of witches flying naked at night for example I think is more to do with astral travelling and dreaming.

So I think people think these things or people arnt 'real' because they only see them in a certain way. I see it as an error in perception.

[667-Neighbor of the Beast]

Kazahel, on 15 December 2009 - 06:02 AM, said:

I'll make another.. or I'll add to the summary if thats ok..

Shapeshifting is possible just not how most tend to assume.. and I think the same could be said in regards to vampires, werewolves and witches. So the stories of witches flying naked at night for example I think is more to do with astral travelling and dreaming.

So I think people think these things or people arnt 'real' because they only see them in a certain way. I see it as an error in perception.

You are right, it is an error in perception.
Allot of people claim to be vampires because they choose to drink blood.  That is a misperception. They are simply cannibals.
Shapeshifting is a scientific impossibility.  Anyone who claims they have shape shifted has experienced an event called "phantom shapeshifting" where they feel and think they have shapeshifted, but it is all in their heads.  So, shapeshifting is a misperception.
Witches do not exist.  They are mispercieved and confused with people who practice Wicca, which is a belief system, not a religion based in magic.  Anybody who claims to be a witch and practice magic has simply been watching too much "Buffy".  Ask any true Wiccan, and they will tell you that the "spells" that they "cast" are nothing more than ceremonies for their belief system, not any different than a Christian or Catholic praying or eating "the body of Christ".  They do not fly, use magic, place curses on people, have relations with the devil, NOR shapeshift.  So, this is a misperception.

So, if you claim that shapeshifting is possible, how so??  If you say that vampires, werewolves, and witches are real, how so??

[DelusionalReasoning]

667-Neighbor of the Beast, on 14 December 2009 - 03:18 PM, said:

OK, to sum things up:

1)Vampires do not exist.  They are a folklore that was fabricated by our ancestors to explain things which they did not understand.  Same with werewolves, witches, and such.  If you think that there must be truth to these stories, just remember that the same people that made this stuff up also thought the earth was flat, and the universe revolved around the earth.  There does not have to be a bit of truth in every story.

2)"emotional vampires" are not people who literally "feed" off of negative emotions.  They are simply called "drama queens" in most places, and like to bring other people down to make them feel better about themselves.  It has to do with low self esteem, not hunger.   Their self esteem is so low, that to see others feel bad in any way, simply makes them feel better about their own situation.  They do not feed on the bad emaotions, but rather enjoy the rush of making someone else feel bad about themselves somehow.

3)any person who feeds on another person is not a vampire, but rather a cannibal.  A vampire, according to all legends, NEEDS to feed on human blood in order to survive, not to mention is supposed to be dead.  People who CHOOSE to eat another human, or drink their blood are simply cannibals, not vampires.  

4)Shapeshifting is impossible, not matter what the creature is.  It is a scientific, biological, physical impossibility.  Simple physics and biology will tell you that.  

5)As far as Richard Simmons goes, I do not think it is blood that he chooses to suck.

6)Winter in Kentucky is a bad time to throw someone onto a lake to see if they stay on the surface or drowned, because most likely, the lake is frozen over, and they will most certainly slide across the surface!!  Might as well see if she weighs the same as a duck!!!

Killjoy    

[Kazahel]

667-Neighbor of the Beast, on 15 December 2009 - 02:51 PM, said:

Shapeshifting is a scientific impossibility.  Anyone who claims they have shape shifted has experienced an event called "phantom shapeshifting" where they feel and think they have shapeshifted, but it is all in their heads.  So, shapeshifting is a misperception.
Witches do not exist.  They are mispercieved and confused with people who practice Wicca, which is a belief system, not a religion based in magic.  Anybody who claims to be a witch and practice magic has simply been watching too much "Buffy".  Ask any true Wiccan, and they will tell you that the "spells" that they "cast" are nothing more than ceremonies for their belief system, not any different than a Christian or Catholic praying or eating "the body of Christ".  They do not fly, use magic, place curses on people, have relations with the devil, NOR shapeshift.  So, this is a misperception.

So, if you claim that shapeshifting is possible, how so??  If you say that vampires, werewolves, and witches are real, how so??

I think I already answered your questions..  

Kazahel, on 25 November 2009 - 01:45 AM, said:

I think those ancient beliefs are based on something which is where the more modern fiction came from.

So I think when we read stories of witches flying and shapeshifting I think its meant to mean that they do this in the dreaming world. I think its just that now days we think it means/meant real time and so we see its not possible. When really I think it was meant in a more astral travelling sense. So I think over time we have got them confused which is why we dont see it as possible. Thats how I kinda think about it anyway because I've shapeshifted heaps of times in lucid dreams so when I read about wolf skin belts for example I tend to think it was to help their minds grasp something inorder to shift. Kinda like a teaching tool so when you sleep you have it with you and a belief with it which will help shift you because of that.

Kazahel, on 28 November 2009 - 03:03 AM, said:

We will have to agree to disagree. I think the old stories did come from somewhere and I'm guessing its from peoples dreams(their dreaming experiences/with a mix of chinese whispers). For example I've read witches would take a flying oinkment which some thought had a certain poison in it which actually makes you go to sleep and helps keep your awareness. So to me when I read about their flying oils its so that they can go into a more dreaming mind inorder to actually fly(astral travel). So they might use the oils and simply go to sleep and dream everything. So the stories of flying oils have a touch of truth as well(imo)but we generally dont see it as being possible because we actually dont fully understand it.

And doing it in dreams means you are shapeshifting in dreams. I dont understand how you can say that means nothing, usually the ones who say that kinda stuff are simply the ones who have never experienced it. I think they call it dream shifting and imo it is where shapeshifting(and flying)stories have come from. I think thats how some of the native americans shifted too.. they did it in dreams and found their animals through dreams as well.

So yeah imo shapeshifting was originally 'dreamshifting'. Its just now days we only seem to think of the hollywood style shifting.

[Stormcrow]

As for why people believed in vampires and werewolves, why they were real beings in the past, is because people believed they had substantial evidence to back it up. The misunderstandings in the process of death was enough to make the vampire more than a scary story to the religious. Grisly murders and rogue wolves would have been the icing on the cake for those supporting the existence of werewolves. They didn't question it, there was no reason to. They had an explanation and it worked for everyone. Today, however, we understand all of these things. We realize that it is physically impossible for a human to completely change into something of another species. Science tells us that there is no dark, evil magic that can reanimate a long dead corpse to surface to eat away at all their living kin.

They only exist today because people are utterly confused about the myths surrounding these creatures. Misunderstandings (and the media) have kept them alive in the paranormal, changing aspects of the original mythology to make them more acceptable in modern society. When that happens, some may believe it possible, even though we already know what caused these stories hundreds of years ago.

[Kazahel]

Ebonykrow, on 16 December 2009 - 01:03 AM, said:

We realize that it is physically impossible for a human to completely change into something of another species.

We do but that doesnt mean shapeshifting is impossible. It just means you have to shapeshift where it is possible.

And so I'm guessing people who told others how they did this in dreams, back in the past, were maybe thought of as werewolves because of that.

[667-Neighbor of the Beast]

[quote name='Kazahel' date='15 December 2009 - 08:02 PM' timestamp='1260925372' post='3209135']
I think I already answered your questions..
No, you just claimed that it was possible to shapeshift in dreams.  That is not shapeshifting, that is dreaming.
If I had a dream where I became a female and a supermodel, does that mean I can go around claiming to be that??  No, it is just a dream.  So, again, shapeshifting is impossible.

[Kazahel]

667-Neighbor of the Beast, on 16 December 2009 - 06:01 PM, said:

No, you just claimed that it was possible to shapeshift in dreams.  That is not shapeshifting, that is dreaming.

Actually it is shapeshifting.. its like a branch of it imo. So because shapeshifting is possible in dreams it means it is possible. Just not possible how you choose to think about it.

If you like you can call it dream shifting.. and personally I think thats where the old stories of shapeshifters have come from. So if you ask me if shapeshifting is possible I will always say yes. And dreaming is as real as life almost.. thats why you generally get fooled by dreams and not know your dreaming at the time. So because it is so real, I think dream shifting could easily be just called shapeshifting without needing to seperate any meanings(and considering where I believe shifting originally came from).

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Some Shifters use the term "ShapeShifting" to refer to Non-Physical Shifting, which can make some people angry.

I just grabbed this quote quickly from here just to show how people have many different views on shifting.

667 said:

If I had a dream where I became a female and a supermodel, does that mean I can go around claiming to be that??

In the old days if you told people of that dream they might of made up a name for you too, maybe something like werewoman. And then I guess you could claim you were a werewoman, if you wanted, since they made up an explanation for your dreaming experience.

[667-Neighbor of the Beast]

Kazahel, on 17 December 2009 - 02:10 AM, said:

In the old days if you told people of that dream they might of made up a name for you too, maybe something like werewoman. And then I guess you could claim you were a werewoman, if you wanted, since they made up an explanation for your dreaming experience.

But this is not the old days.  These times, and people know dreams are just dreams.  Dreaming about shapeshifting is NOT shapeshifting.  Shapeshifting is defined as changing your physical form, hence the name SHAPE shifting.  You cannot simply change definitions to suit your own beliefs.  Dreaming about flying does not mean I can fly in real life.  Dreaming about eating does not mean I have eaten in real life.  It is simply a dream, and not reality.  If you want to call it dreamshifting, go ahead, as that is more accurate.   Shapeshifting is defined as changing your physical form, not dreaming about it.  It is not a matter of how someone thinks about it, it is simply a matter of what something is or is not, and dreaming is not reality, no matter how you look at it.  What you do in dreams cannot be claimed as real.  Therefore, like I said before, shapeshifting is not possible.  Dreaming about it is, but that is NOT shapeshifting.

Edited by 667-Neighbor of the Beast, 17 December 2009 - 03:15 PM.

[Kazahel]

667-Neighbor of the Beast, on 17 December 2009 - 03:14 PM, said:

But this is not the old days. These times, and people know dreams are just dreams.

But the legends of werewolves and vampires that we were talking about... have come from the old days. And many people tell me dreams are just dreams but really that never sits well with me considering the shared dreaming experiences I've had as well as dreams that seem to show me future events. So dreams are not 'just' dreams to me, they seem to be along the same lines as astral travelling.

667 said:

Dreaming about shapeshifting is NOT shapeshifting.  Shapeshifting is defined as changing your physical form, hence the name SHAPE shifting.  You cannot simply change definitions to suit your own beliefs.

Do you think you can find some definitions for me because when I looked I only found quotes like this..

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Main Entry: shape–shift·er
Pronunciation: \ˈshāp-ˌshif-tər\
Function: noun
Date: 1887
: one that seems able to change form or identity at will; especially : a mythical figure that can assume different forms (as of animals)

And as you can see I didnt find anything to do with it saying about it only being physical shifting.

667 said:

Dreaming about flying does not mean I can fly in real life.  Dreaming about eating does not mean I have eaten in real life.  It is simply a dream, and not reality.

I never said that it did mean you can in waking life, so I'm not sure why you bothered with this part.

667 said:

If you want to call it dreamshifting, go ahead, as that is more accurate.   Shapeshifting is defined as changing your physical form, not dreaming about it. It is not a matter of how someone thinks about it, it is simply a matter of what something is or is not, and dreaming is not reality, no matter how you look at it.  What you do in dreams cannot be claimed as real.  Therefore, like I said before, shapeshifting is not possible.  Dreaming about it is, but that is NOT shapeshifting.

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Shapeshifting
A very esoteric practice involving changing the human form. This can be practiced while on the astral plane, this alone is a great accomplishment. It is said that one can also shapeshift on the physical plane, though documented proof of this is nonexistent. Few books are published on the subject as it is an art mainly for certain people, and teachers prefer to find these people and teach them their art secretively rather than let the public know their ways.

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Occult101


ShapeShifting
The magical ability to assume the forms of animals or other human beings with the soul while it is astrally projected from the body. Occasionally these altered shapes are seen by other people, who mistake them for bodies of flesh.

Found here



So yes I think many people get confused and think shapeshifting is just a psyical thing but to me its more. And the astral side of it I believe is where it all began.  

Edited by Kazahel, 18 December 2009 - 01:24 AM.

[Dying Seraph]

Ebonykrow, on 12 December 2009 - 03:54 PM, said:

Actually, vampires don't suck blood at all. They eat their victims.

Vampires eat their victims? Isn't that a cannibal?

I haven't seen anyone yet bring up PSYCHIC VAMPIRES. People that (believe) they can suck energy or emotions or life force from other people. Nothing to do with blood but just people that are annoying and drain your life force.

I believe there are people that "claim" to be vampires. I have met a few people (There is a large Vampyre scene in Hollywood) that hate being in the sun. It won't kill them but they are super sensitive to the suns rays (jokingly I call them the Irish ). I know people that drink blood using lancets to draw the blood (from willing participants) and not fangs from unwilling victims. Whether these things qualify them or not is insignificant to me. But they claim to be Vampyres.
I have  a couple of friends that feel in past lives they were vampyres and feel that it's a natural instinct in them. Whether they are nuts or perfectly sane remains to be seen I guess.  

I have yet to meet a person that calls themself a Vampyre, that actually believe themself that they could fly or shape shift in a literal sense. In a metaphorical sense however yes.