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#1    AndyThorley

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Posted 30 May 2004 - 12:32 PM

...Religious discussion in a very thin disguise wink2.gif

For those who don't know, Psychologist and Jedi Knight (Well he's as good as...) Derren Brown is holding a televised seance and is asking that the rest of the UK join in.

Now my parents are up in arms about this.
"It's not right" they say, "it shouldnt be allowed!"
Seriously, when they first saw the advert they practically got pitchforks and rounded up a posse headed for London so they could sabotage it.

I, however, do not mind. Each to their own and nobody is forcing my folks to watch.

What're peoples opinions to this?
And more to the point, what are major religious bodies' reactions to this?

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Posted 30 May 2004 - 04:05 PM

They can always tune in to the 'other side' by changing channels.

I think it's an original idea, better than the perpetually re-cycled rubbish we get so much of.


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Posted 30 May 2004 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE (AndyThorley Posted on May 30 2004 @  01:32 PM )
when they first saw the advert they practically got pitchforks and rounded up a posse


Technically speaking, if they had pitchforks that would make them a village mob. tongue.gif

Edited by Aslan, 30 May 2004 - 04:19 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2004 - 06:23 PM

QUOTE (Aslan @ May 30 2004, 05:18 PM)
QUOTE (AndyThorley Posted on May 30 2004 @  01:32 PM )
when they first saw the advert they practically got pitchforks and rounded up a posse


Technically speaking, if they had pitchforks that would make them a village mob. tongue.gif

What would constitute a posse?

Same thing only with a banjo player? wink2.gif

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Posted 31 May 2004 - 01:19 AM

Jeez! He's televising a freaking seance, what's the big deal.  People press their ideas on us on TV all of the time (religious TV shows.)  If they can televise a church sermon, then they should be able to televise a seance.


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Posted 31 May 2004 - 06:05 PM

I think most people, religious or not, will realize that this is just entertainment.

The only reason why I could see religious people protesting this televised seance is because they are afraid it might work!

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Posted 31 May 2004 - 10:15 PM

Im watching it now. It's really kinda boring and nothing has happened that I cannot explain away.

Room goes cold?
My windows open.

Computer screen goes blurry?
It's cold from not being turned on.

I'd love for this to end up like ghostwatch.
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Posted 31 May 2004 - 10:52 PM

You'll have to write us up a nice little synopsis of the show AndyThorely.

Here's a picture of medium Colin Evans  levitating at one of his crowded seances in the 1930's (London)

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Posted 01 June 2004 - 08:16 AM

Just showed that its all science (ie when he explained how the glass moves).  Which is my firm belief anyway.  Bet all the 'believers' still believe tho'.  Sceance, my arris.


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Posted 01 June 2004 - 08:32 AM

A very good programme.

Basically he proved that Seances and medium are all charlatons and that a seance can be easily faked.

The trick about everyone picking "Jane" was an old one and works by having the black & White and Colour photos in a very specific order. It doesn't matter which photo you first pick, by following his instructions you will AWAYS end up with Jane.

The girl throwing the Tamborine was interesting. She swore that she did not throw it, but a CCTV camera showed that she did.

The power of suggestion!

Visit his Channel four site, it's very interesting:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/m.../M/mindcontrol/

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Posted 01 June 2004 - 08:50 AM

I would have liked to have seen an explanation of everything that occurred. For example, why did the second person who was sitting behind the curtain early on (the guy who had his arms tied) suddenly start screaming hysterically ? Why were we not shown the overhead camera view ?

What about the moving objects in the "seance" itself ? Were these rigged to move ? If so, then how was it done ?

LONDON. I would have been more convinced if it was a less well known city in Britain, like Wells in Somerset.

So, the gullible viewer was ultimately convinced that strange stuff was happening. The more objective viewer (like myself) was left assuming that it had all been a big hoax. The problem here is that assumption just isn't good enough. I want answers. I want to know how this guy pulled off everything that happened. I am sure that there is a perfectly rational explanation for everything that occurred, but it is wrong to just end the program without revealing how it was done. In my opinion, it was just a huge waste of time.



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Posted 01 June 2004 - 11:03 AM

The whole thing was clearly trickery, that's what this guy does!!

I dont think there was a thing that cannot be explained. I will give my opinions:

1. Girl moving tamborines - All contestants where pre-hypnotised before hand, so she was given cues was to what to do when the curtain closed!!

2. Guy with paper - Same as above, but something freaked the guy out as he must have sensed he was doing things without conscious control (hypnosis can do this!!).

3. Picking the photograph of Jane - well I picked Jane as did my wife, the order the photos, colours of them and way we were to select them make it at least a 90% chance. Given there where 6 (I think) contestants, its a save bet.

4. Queje (hmm, not the correct spelling) - again this could have been a mixture of pre-hynosis subconcious movement.

5. Girl goes to the correct room - pre-hynosis

6. seance - the moving/breaking objects could easily have been done with props that could not have been seen in the dark (most probably was). The information given from the girl was pre-hypnosised.

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7. London as automatic writing - He told everyone it's a city (obviously in the UK), the biggest and most popular one is London. Also if you put a pen to paper and let it move without effort before starting to write, you will probably have the letter L writen as it a natural moment, after you see the L london will follow!!

So there you have it, a clever way to prove that many seances were/are fixed and the attendees can be tricked without knowing it!!

Good programme, just hope the full details are revealed to make it clearer!!

Edited by stuart, 01 June 2004 - 11:05 AM.


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Posted 02 June 2004 - 12:39 AM

Hey, what was with the whole Russian Roulette stunt?  I don't get English TV so I don't know what happened.  I just heard he played Russian Roulette on TV.

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 08:23 AM

QUOTE (MrScuzzles @ Jun 2 2004, 01:39 AM)
Hey, what was with the whole Russian Roulette stunt?  I don't get English TV so I don't know what happened.  I just heard he played Russian Roulette on TV.

Yes he did, he had to go to Switzerland to film it cos our authorities wouldn't allow it, but I think someone proved it to be a fake.  Like someone else said  DB is a Mental 'ILLUSIONIST'.  Just a magic trick.


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Posted 02 June 2004 - 08:32 AM

QUOTE (AndyThorley @ May 30 2004, 11:23 AM)
What would constitute a posse?

Same thing only with a banjo player? wink2.gif

Banjo players are helpful to keep the mob happy(they always say it is hard to be angry when you are listening to banjo music...), but my guess that for a full fledged posse you would need lots of guns. And chewing tobacco. But mainly guns.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.




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