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[b_kid]

HerNibs, on 27 December 2009 - 03:30 AM, said:

I've used this example before -

Take a toddler, put him/her on the beach and let them play with the sand...using their little hands they will let the sand slide through and what is it they create?  A pyramid.

A clever grown up only has to look at it and can easily improve on it.

No alien involved.

Nibs

Come on man, be real. I did say I believe the answer of who built the pyramids is only a component of this unexplained mystery (no pun intended).
Seriously you got to make better comparisons than that, playing with sand is well within the realms of physical capability, and is not complex, even the spasticated could make an attempt at this.

Building large land-fixtures is a little more challenging don't you think?

[HerNibs]

b_kid, on 27 December 2009 - 03:46 AM, said:

Come on man, be real. I did say I believe the answer of who built the pyramids is only a component of this unexplained mystery (no pun intended).
Seriously you got to make better comparisons than that, playing with sand is well within the realms of physical capability, and is not complex, even the spasticated could make an attempt at this.

Building large land-fixtures is a little more challenging don't you think?

Why?  Let's say the clever individual sees the kid do this and thinks -

Hmm...quite a stable structure.  Sand would need to be solidified...what if we used rocks!!!

Not hard and with some trial and error (evidence of this has been found) a pyramid is born!

I'm being quite real.  I'm not sure what you believe was the catalyst of humans building the pyramids but we do have those who are too willingly buying into some very unreliable and flat out false ideas.



Nibs

[b_kid]

Yeah I have noticed there are a lot irritating things to read here (this forum). It's not just the pyramids, but the level of all sophistication before the Sumerians was really minor, basically I believe that, that kind of advance is quite unexplainable.

[HerNibs]

b_kid, on 27 December 2009 - 04:00 AM, said:

Yeah I have noticed there are a lot irritating things to read here (this forum). It's not just the pyramids, but the level of all sophistication before the Sumerians was really minor, basically I believe that, that kind of advance is quite unexplainable.

Sometimes it can be quite entertaining and some times it feels like pour lemon juice in a papercut.

Thank you for explaining what you think.  What brought you to that belief?

Nibs

[The Big Boss]

I wish to start a competition to have a pyramid built in my honor!
I will accept blueprint entries from ancient egyptians, gold-digging aliens, and little children from the beach(as long as they know I want a pyramid and not a castle, I already have a castle).
The winner will be granted the honor of shaking my hand, and then waiting for me to die so they can bury me.

Sorry, no ninjas allowed.

[b_kid]

HerNibs, on 27 December 2009 - 04:13 AM, said:

Sometimes it can be quite entertaining and some times it feels like pour lemon juice in a papercut.

Thank you for explaining what you think.  What brought you to that belief?

Nibs

I mean ultimately, I'm never sure of anything, but the transition from tribesmen to civilization and conquest just doesn't seem like a natural occurence to me, then again it could be, but I feel it may not be.

[KennyB]

HerNibs, on 27 December 2009 - 02:52 AM, said:

Seriously??

Nibs

Sure

[HerNibs]

KennyB, on 27 December 2009 - 04:35 AM, said:

Sure

Ummmmm....because it makes no logical sense?  It's a vague fantasy and has completely jumped right out of any type of reality.

Nibs

[KennyB]

b_kid, on 27 December 2009 - 03:12 AM, said:

I'm not siding either way here, but this is quite an interesting link. It talks a bit more in depth about the knowledge the ancient egyptians had towards astronomy.

http://en.wikipedia....ptian_astronomy


There a few other cultures from a time past that had considerable knowledge of astronomy and I think the answer of who built the pyramids in this matter is secondary. Where did this type of knowledge come from? Is what I ask, the idea of some kind of extra terrestrial intervention is quite possible. I feel that the idea of an advanced technological alien race is unlikely though. Could it have been God?

The aliens called themselves Anunnaki. After they created man, he called the Anunnaki King GOD, and the other Anunnaki gods.  KB

[KennyB]

b_kid, on 27 December 2009 - 04:22 AM, said:

I mean ultimately, I'm never sure of anything, but the transition from tribesmen to civilization and conquest just doesn't seem like a natural occurence to me, then again it could be, but I feel it may not be.

That's not the way it went with the humans. They didn't go thru a tribesman phase or a civilization phase for a long time. They were created adult size and taken straight to the mines. After awhile, some of them were brought from the mines to Somer and put to work as farmers and sheepherders for the aliens and themselves. They were strickley slaves. Only much later were they used as soldiers in the gods wars.  KennyB

[Neem]

Someone in this thread said that Daniken falsified his evidence. I don't think it was falsified. I think his opinions are questionable; but they're just that -- his opinions. Anything can be interpreted, and so his interpretations of say, Lord Pikal's sarcophagus or the Viminas are based on his opinions. So we can't be quick to judge just because someone has an opinion. Sure, he may have skewed the facts (all historians do) to complete his narrative, but I think his claims, while opinions, are intriguing.

[KennyB]

The Dancing Bear, on 27 December 2009 - 05:19 AM, said:

Someone in this thread said that Daniken falsified his evidence. I don't think it was falsified. I think his opinions are questionable; but they're just that -- his opinions. Anything can be interpreted, and so his interpretations of say, Lord Pikal's sarcophagus or the Viminas are based on his opinions. So we can't be quick to judge just because someone has an opinion. Sure, he may have skewed the facts (all historians do) to complete his narrative, but I think his claims, while opinions, are intriguing.

I don't think von Daniken or Sitchin have done anything wrong. The skeptics like to paint them with that brush because they're jealous of them for making money on their book sales.  KennyB

[Black Hound]

I would like to think that our ancestors were brighter than we might give them credit for. The construction in Egypt several thousand years ago, is still a marvel and will continue to be. Let us think first that mere mortals did the consruction of various complexs, massive, and complicated with the most advanced tools availabe to them, which were not very much thousands of years ago. The notion of help from beyond our galaxy to help men complete the tasks or to do it for them, to me, takes away what men did achieve on their own.

[ThePitOfReason]

You have to ask yourself if the technology was that great and so far advanced why stone? If it was not humans that built these structures why wouldn't they have been built from some other unknown type of material or very advanced material? I think civilization has a way of restarting at some point or at least it has in the past at least once. I think humans built the things many would like to think were built by the unknowns. And yes the methods they used were lost in time. But you have to think about it as if you were the one who built these back then would you make your methods public? How they built these were kept as secret as anything could be kept back then and thats by not recording it in drawings or text. Stone empires built like these were could not be taken out with spears or fire. This was the rise of a new idea into putting fear into those who wanted to wage war against an empire built of stone. Think twice and it might of worked for a long time but someone at some point in time took this to the next level and still took those people out. The bad part was nothing was written or recorded of how to build structures in this way. Some were attempted but never as good as the older ones. And I think this took place more than once in our history.

[ninjadude]

HerNibs, on 27 December 2009 - 01:41 AM, said:

Mine gold? They come a bajillion miles to get a rare mineral on this planet? We the only ones who have gold?

Especially since any race sufficiently advanced to be able to star travel could make gold from other elements. We can do this too, but it's too expensive. And what possible use would they have for gold in the first place? If this is the writers belief, they are putting one over on you to get money.