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#16    WoIverine

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:13 PM

View PostMattshark, on 12 January 2010 - 03:10 PM, said:

Predicting future climate is not the same as predicting the weather, for a start as it is trends we are predicting it is actually easier. The second point is that weather and climate are two different things and worked on by different people (meteorologists and climatologists).

Which really makes no difference since we fail at both.


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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:14 PM

View PostSpiderCyde, on 12 January 2010 - 03:13 PM, said:

Which really makes no difference since we fail at both.
Not really, our climate predictions have actually been quite accurate.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:14 PM

View PostSpiderCyde, on 12 January 2010 - 03:04 PM, said:

We can't even predict the weather with 100% accuracy, let's try and get that right before moving onto larger, even more difficult to predict scenarios.

Thats a ridiculous thing to say. Firstly, both are being worked on. Secondly, why on earth should we put off something that could cause irreversible damage to our place on the planet very soon just because we can't tell the weather with 100% accuracy?? Its like your trousers being on fire but you won't put them out til you've learnt enough about combustion theory.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:16 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 12 January 2010 - 03:14 PM, said:

Thats a ridiculous thing to say. Firstly, both are being worked on. Secondly, why on earth should we put off something that could cause irreversible damage to our place on the planet very soon just because we can't tell the weather with 100% accuracy?? Its like your trousers being on fire but you won't put them out til you've learnt enough about combustion theory.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:17 PM

All of the above rings true, as some parts of the world are experiencing heat waves, as we in other parts are experiencing a "cold snap".
My biggest issue is that it's politicized. If you don't tote the party line, you are "stupid, ignorant, right-wing, etc etc".
And I can see a model being created to support a theory. It wouldn't be the first time.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:21 PM

View Posteqgumby, on 12 January 2010 - 03:17 PM, said:

All of the above rings true, as some parts of the world are experiencing heat waves, as we in other parts are experiencing a "cold snap".
My biggest issue is that it's politicized. If you don't tote the party line, you are "stupid, ignorant, right-wing, etc etc".
And I can see a model being created to support a theory. It wouldn't be the first time.
I agree it should certainly not be politicised, which is why I get very annoyed being told that Al Gore is my hero when I cite scientific papers. But at the same time, while the evidence is showing that we are the most likely causal factor and due to other environmental concerns, it does make sense that we try to reduce emissions and pollution too and that does require government action.
You are right, we are having cold snaps, other parts are very warm, this is why it is important to look at global trends over short term regional weather.
I am pretty sure the theory is supported by the results of the model, the models are there to test the theory.

Edited by Mattshark, 12 January 2010 - 03:26 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:23 PM

View PostSpiderCyde, on 12 January 2010 - 03:16 PM, said:

Kid, give Al Gore a big hug for me.
And thus you show a total lack of credibility. This is nothing to do with Al Gore, if you are going to argue the science, do so. This type of response is worthless and makes you look bad.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:28 PM

View PostMichelle, on 11 January 2010 - 08:07 PM, said:

They are going to keep pushing this back and making excuses until all of it is just a faded memory...but they'll never admit they were wrong..just slightly mistaken.

Science is about being proven wrong. This is fundamentally how science works.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:31 PM

View PostSpiderCyde, on 12 January 2010 - 03:16 PM, said:

Kid, give Al Gore a big hug for me.

A thought out, researched and intelligent response there.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:33 PM

Global warming=Moon landing=Kennedy assasination=PARANOID SPECULATION!

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:34 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 12 January 2010 - 03:28 PM, said:

Science is about being proven wrong. This is fundamentally how science works.
Exactly, the purpose is to try and falsify your hypothesis and theories, not to try and prove them.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 03:35 PM

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Global warming=Moon landing=Kennedy assasination=PARANOID SPECULATION!
This in no way belongs in the science forum.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 04:13 PM

How much research has gone into the cause of global warming.  It seems that all evidence points to it being caused by man... But what about the current cycle of the sun?  Are the other planets warming up as well, or is that just a rumor, to distract?

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 04:18 PM

View Postzenfahr, on 12 January 2010 - 04:13 PM, said:

How much research has gone into the cause of global warming.  It seems that all evidence points to it being caused by man... But what about the current cycle of the sun?  Are the other planets warming up as well, or is that just a rumor, to distract?
Research has been on going since the late 60's/early 70's the first published work was in the journal Science in  1974.
New Scientist has a good guide including myths around climate change
http://www.newscient...-perplexed.html

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 05:10 PM

View Postbehaviour???, on 11 January 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

Thanks
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gee i have been saying this all last year.  i was told i didn't know what i was talking about.

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