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#61    MARAB0D

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 05:48 AM

View PostKarlis, on 24 January 2010 - 05:16 AM, said:

This article mentions just about every point raised in this thread.

Thank you for the link, Karlis. It looks like the can of worms has been open! From now on all earthquakes would be blamed on USA, specially if it decides to participate in the rescue efforts... How charming!

What is funny would be that US is accused in this article even in causing the California quake, so hardly the precision of such weapon allows its practical use at all - if it affects the entire fault line length, then it is the same as to launch a nuke with random selection of the targets. But I have bookmarked your linked site, interesting to read what Iran writes.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 05:55 AM

View Postjoshsluss, on 24 January 2010 - 05:42 AM, said:

Some folks are funny. We have bombs that can wipe out the world and you don't think it's possible to start a quake? I just dont... nevermind.

Blowing up a city is one thing, directly affecting the planet's plates to cause earthquakes in a targeted location is quite another. It's something out of a Bond movie. Chavez is just trying to make this America's fault while getting attention, and if he seriously believes in this claim he's nuts end of story.

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 06:28 AM

View PostCorp, on 24 January 2010 - 05:55 AM, said:

Blowing up a city is one thing, directly affecting the planet's plates to cause earthquakes in a targeted location is quite another. It's something out of a Bond movie. Chavez is just trying to make this America's fault while getting attention, and if he seriously believes in this claim he's nuts end of story.

I would not be outright denying the possibility of such weapons. One really does not need a lot of energy to initiate an earthquake, if it is anyway ready to happen. I was giving above the examples of an avalanche or a rock fall, one pebble thrown can be enough to trigger them. The issue is different - it is not entirely easy to find the "ready to set off" earthquake in politically important area; same way it is hard to prevent such triggered earthquake from affecting the rest of the same fault line, hence it can trigger other earthquakes in the areas remote to the first one (this is the reason they talk about California). Most of the earthquakes happen along the fault lines, where the platforms rub each other - say here we have Pacific platform, crawling underneath the Australian one and trying to tip our north Island upside down; but the fault line goes much farther than just the island length, it goes across equator to Japan and Eastern Russia. Any serious rattling would spread along it with the speed of sound and may affect the remote areas, and vice versa we may be affected with what happens in Japan.

You can check the fault lines in Haiti area at http://earthquake.us...n/N_America.php they are red lines.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 10:52 AM

View Postmarabod, on 24 January 2010 - 06:28 AM, said:

I would not be outright denying the possibility of such weapons. One really does not need a lot of energy to initiate an earthquake, if it is anyway ready to happen. I was giving above the examples of an avalanche or a rock fall, one pebble thrown can be enough to trigger them. The issue is different - it is not entirely easy to find the "ready to set off" earthquake in politically important area; same way it is hard to prevent such triggered earthquake from affecting the rest of the same fault line, hence it can trigger other earthquakes in the areas remote to the first one (this is the reason they talk about California). Most of the earthquakes happen along the fault lines, where the platforms rub each other - say here we have Pacific platform, crawling underneath the Australian one and trying to tip our north Island upside down; but the fault line goes much farther than just the island length, it goes across equator to Japan and Eastern Russia. Any serious rattling would spread along it with the speed of sound and may affect the remote areas, and vice versa we may be affected with what happens in Japan.

You can check the fault lines in Haiti area at http://earthquake.us...n/N_America.php they are red lines.


i for one wouldn't want to be the one to cause thousands of innocent deaths.

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:13 PM

View Postdanielost, on 24 January 2010 - 10:52 AM, said:

i for one wouldn't want to be the one to cause thousands of innocent deaths.

Yep, whether a belief in God, or not, that's some major bad mojo someone would wrack up. More than likely the'd get paid back in some fashion.

Edited by SpiderCyde, 24 January 2010 - 07:14 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:19 PM

View PostCorp, on 24 January 2010 - 05:55 AM, said:

Blowing up a city is one thing, directly affecting the planet's plates to cause earthquakes in a targeted location is quite another. It's something out of a Bond movie. Chavez is just trying to make this America's fault while getting attention, and if he seriously believes in this claim he's nuts end of story.


Something out of a Bond movie? That's your argument? I'm not going to say Chaves is remotely  right or even that I think this is what happened, but I will say it's completely plausible given our knowledge of plates and the technology is there to carry such experiments. No offense, we have technology that makes Bond look like a girl scout.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:32 PM

View PostTRUEYOUTRUEME, on 22 January 2010 - 07:27 AM, said:

I am sure that this started in Hugo's mind because of his hatred of America but that then he convinced himself and believes it.

It is the same with most of the anti-American left-wing rhetoric that we hear.  The Americans want to steal Iraq's oil.  American christians want a theocracy. Capitalism is killing the earth by means of global warming.

The left-wing invent lies and then convince themselves that the lies are true.
what in the hell are talking about ? Last time I checked nut jobs steven quale and alex jones are the left wing !!   My question is why  would we attack  Hait ?   Why not Iran ???


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:38 PM

View Postjoshsluss, on 24 January 2010 - 07:19 PM, said:

Something out of a Bond movie? That's your argument? I'm not going to say Chaves is remotely  right or even that I think this is what happened, but I will say it's completely plausible given our knowledge of plates and the technology is there to carry such experiments. No offense, we have technology that makes Bond look like a girl scout.

We have the technology to create pinpoint earthquakes on demand?

Quite the claim you have there

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:43 PM

View Postohio state buckeyes, on 24 January 2010 - 07:32 PM, said:

what in the hell are talking about ? Last time I checked nut jobs steven quale and alex jones are the left wing !!   My question is why  would we attack  Hait ?   Why not Iran ???
They aren't the left-wing they are hardcore extreme conspiracy theorists...who are basically against both left and right.

We don't need haiti for anything. The idea is that the quake gives us reason to send our troops to Haiti to help them but never leave and occupy the country so we can have base closer to venezuala(or Atlantis whatever the hell conspiracy theorists go on about these days). What they forget to realize is that our own Puerto Rico is literally right next door to Haiti so if we needed a military presence in the area we would already have it. But to get attention, feed their paranoia, and support their predispositions they create conspiracy theories out of thin air...and for Alex Jones and pals they need to make up such 'theories' so they can keep an audience and make money.

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:45 PM

View PostCadetak, on 24 January 2010 - 07:38 PM, said:

We have the technology to create pinpoint earthquakes on demand?

Quite the claim you have there

not exactly but

http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/133083

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(IsraelNN.com) The Seismologic Division of the Ministry of National Infrastructure's Geophysical Institute will attempt to simulate an earthquake in the southern Negev on Thursday. The experiment, financed by the U.S. Defense Department, is a joint project with the University of Hawaii and is part of a scientific project intended to improve seismological and acoustic readings in Israel and its environs, up to a 1,000 km/621 mile radius.

The experiment intends to improve the understanding of sound waves in the atmosphere. Scientists will then be able to fine-tune Israelís seismological equipment to give advance warning of earthquakes. Measurements will also be taken in other countries, including Cyprus, Greece, France, and Germany.

Israel will create a controlled explosion of 80 tons of explosive material, which will simulate the intensity of a tremor after an earthquake of Magnitude 3. Natural earthquakes of a similar intensity occur in the Middle East region about once a week, without the public feeling them.



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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:57 PM

View Postexpandmymind, on 24 January 2010 - 07:45 PM, said:


Not exactly? How about not even close.

They simulated an earthquake sure...by using a ton of explosives. They also conducted the expirements in hopes of better understanding seismic activity so they can create better equipment to better predict when earthquakes will happen. Thats like saying me creating a volano out of clay for the science fair is evident that I have the technology to erupt volcanoes on demand anywhere in the world.

Also your source, pretty much disproves the idea that an Earthquake Weapon exists and it was used on Haiti...because if we are still doing simple experiments we obviously don't have the tech.

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:00 PM

View PostCadetak, on 24 January 2010 - 07:57 PM, said:

Not exactly? How about not even close.

They simulated an earthquake sure...by using a ton of explosives. They also conducted the expirements in hopes of better understanding seismic activity so they can create better equipment to better predict when earthquakes will happen. Thats like saying me creating a volano out of clay for the science fair is evident that I have the technology to erupt volcanoes on demand anywhere in the world.

Also your source, pretty much disproves the idea that an Earthquake Weapon exists and it was used on Haiti...because if we are still doing simple experiments we obviously don't have the tech.


I can't open the link...

Could you explain what the article said for me?

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:08 PM

View PostCadetak, on 24 January 2010 - 07:57 PM, said:

Not exactly? How about not even close.

They simulated an earthquake sure...by using a ton of explosives. They also conducted the expirements in hopes of better understanding seismic activity so they can create better equipment to better predict when earthquakes will happen. Thats like saying me creating a volano out of clay for the science fair is evident that I have the technology to erupt volcanoes on demand anywhere in the world.

Also your source, pretty much disproves the idea that an Earthquake Weapon exists and it was used on Haiti...because if we are still doing simple experiments we obviously don't have the tech.


LOL i was not suggesting that this method (or any other for that matter), was the cause of the recent disaster. i was just showing you that there is technology out there that can simulate an earthquake.

that, and after what marabod has already said, shows that this may be theoretically possible. that's all.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:11 PM

View PostCadetak, on 24 January 2010 - 07:43 PM, said:

They aren't the left-wing they are hardcore extreme conspiracy theorists...who are basically against both left and right.

We don't need haiti for anything. The idea is that the quake gives us reason to send our troops to Haiti to help them but never leave and occupy the country so we can have base closer to venezuala(or Atlantis whatever the hell conspiracy theorists go on about these days). What they forget to realize is that our own Puerto Rico is literally right next door to Haiti so if we needed a military presence in the area we would already have it. But to get attention, feed their paranoia, and support their predispositions they create conspiracy theories out of thin air...and for Alex Jones and pals they need to make up such 'theories' so they can keep an audience and make money.
Sorry I meant to say they're not the left wing.  I agree 100 perent with you.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:19 PM

View Postacidhead, on 24 January 2010 - 08:00 PM, said:

I can't open the link...

Could you explain what the article said for me?

thx

Copy and paste this: http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/133083

If that doesn't work for you the basics is that a joint operation between Israel, US department of defense, and Miami University take tons of explosives into the dessert and blow it up underground...which simulates an 'earthquake'. They are doing this in the pursuit of earthquake science and they do it in Israel because the interest is in Middle Eastern seismic activity however hopeful findings from the experiment would be applied to helping predict earthquakes before they happen and stuff of that nature.

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