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#76    Cadetak

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:21 PM

View Postexpandmymind, on 24 January 2010 - 08:08 PM, said:

LOL i was not suggesting that this method (or any other for that matter), was the cause of the recent disaster. i was just showing you that there is technology out there that can simulate an earthquake.

that, and after what marabod has already said, shows that this may be theoretically possible. that's all.

Yes but blowing up a desert to simulate an earthquake is a far far cry from an Earthquake Weapon. That's all I'm saying.

We can all agree that the notion that United States using an Earthquake Weapon on Haiti is crazy talk on many different levels.

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:24 PM

View PostCadetak, on 24 January 2010 - 08:19 PM, said:

Copy and paste this: http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/133083

If that doesn't work for you the basics is that a joint operation between Israel, US department of defense, and Miami University take tons of explosives into the dessert and blow it up underground...which simulates an 'earthquake'. They are doing this in the pursuit of earthquake science and they do it in Israel because the interest is in Middle Eastern seismic activity however hopeful findings from the experiment would be applied to helping predict earthquakes before they happen and stuff of that nature.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:03 PM

View PostCadetak, on 24 January 2010 - 08:21 PM, said:

Yes but blowing up a desert to simulate an earthquake is a far far cry from an Earthquake Weapon. That's all I'm saying.

We can all agree that the notion that United States using an Earthquake Weapon on Haiti is crazy talk on many different levels.

Just a month or so ago we were discussing BBC article here about a Swiss geologist who was doing "hot rock drilling" on enhanced depth, hoping to find abiotic oil in Switzerland - and this work is believed to have caused 4.5 magnitude earthquake, so his license was recalled. He only had a bore, no explosives at all.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:13 PM

View Postmarabod, on 24 January 2010 - 09:03 PM, said:

Just a month or so ago we were discussing BBC article here about a Swiss geologist who was doing "hot rock drilling" on enhanced depth, hoping to find abiotic oil in Switzerland - and this work is believed to have caused 4.5 magnitude earthquake, so his license was recalled. He only had a bore, no explosives at all.

Yes okay but that is also a far cry from an Earthquake Weapon. If somebody wants to show that the U.S. was putting explosives or drilling big holes in Haiti then we could deal...but since that won't happen an Earthquake Weapon would compose of creating a pinpoint earthquake from many many miles away.

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:22 PM

View PostCadetak, on 24 January 2010 - 09:13 PM, said:

Yes okay but that is also a far cry from an Earthquake Weapon. If somebody wants to show that the U.S. was putting explosives or drilling big holes in Haiti then we could deal...but since that won't happen an Earthquake Weapon would compose of creating a pinpoint earthquake from many many miles away.

Theoretically it may be not necessary to disturb these hot rocks on the fault line physically! It may well be enough to disturb them remotedly, for example with an infra-sound pulse or a magnetic/electromagnetic pulse. Once again, returning to the avalanche example - one can throw a penny and trigger it.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:25 PM

Cade - I do not mean we can "create" an earthquake. They are "created" naturally due to the expansion/contraction of the deep layers following their heating/cooling; contraction creates cavities under ground, and then their ceiling layer collapses under gravity. Or they are caused by the platform movements. I am only saying about TRIGGERING them prematurely.


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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:30 PM

By the way this possibly can be done with a special "gun". A small nuclear charge can be placed at the bottom of the angled shaft, pointing towards the target, and then sealed by massive amount of heavy boulders and concrete. The underground explosion would have at least 1/2 of its shockwave directed inside the mantle, and the mantle is a liquid - so the shock pulse would hit the "enemy" from underneath the tectonic plate, triggering the existing cavities in the area to collapse.


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Posted 25 January 2010 - 05:06 AM

View Postmarabod, on 24 January 2010 - 09:25 PM, said:

Cade - I do not mean we can "create" an earthquake. They are "created" naturally due to the expansion/contraction of the deep layers following their heating/cooling; contraction creates cavities under ground, and then their ceiling layer collapses under gravity. Or they are caused by the platform movements. I am only saying about TRIGGERING them prematurely.

Ahh okay I see what you mean. That's a much more likely scenerio theoretically speaking...however kind of impractical ain't it? Because you would only be able to trigger a quake on locations near fault lines that are near close to quaking. Also you would somehow need to be able to pinpoint the location so you can hit the city or base you need leveled.

However we are still well within the realms of science fiction here.

Also isn't the weapon only good for like two or three attacks and then everybody would catch on that you had an Earthquake Weapon? Because of this and considering the fact we have more destructive and more reliable weapons available there doesn't seem to be much practicality in a earthquake weapon.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:07 AM

View PostCadetak, on 25 January 2010 - 05:06 AM, said:

Ahh okay I see what you mean. That's a much more likely scenerio theoretically speaking...however kind of impractical ain't it? Because you would only be able to trigger a quake on locations near fault lines that are near close to quaking. Also you would somehow need to be able to pinpoint the location so you can hit the city or base you need leveled.

However we are still well within the realms of science fiction here.

Also isn't the weapon only good for like two or three attacks and then everybody would catch on that you had an Earthquake Weapon? Because of this and considering the fact we have more destructive and more reliable weapons available there doesn't seem to be much practicality in a earthquake weapon.

Fault lines are numerous! Iran is also located on at least one. And China has several.

Yes, during peace time it is easy to get caught - but if a war starts such weapon would be easy to use, who cares hiding? Seismic weapon has advantages before the nukes, as they are ecologically benevolent, cheap and easier to deliver.


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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:15 AM

View Postmarabod, on 25 January 2010 - 08:07 AM, said:

Fault lines are numerous! Iran is also located on at least one. And China has several.

Yes, during peace time it is easy to get caught - but if a war starts such weapon would be easy to use, who cares hiding? Seismic weapon has advantages before the nukes, as they are ecologically benevolent, cheap and easier to deliver.

Yeah but not every fault line is great enough to cause an earthquake big enough to cause significant damage.

When Iraq suddenly gets hit by huge odd earthquakes and then Iran does and then N. Korea and then so on somebody is going catch on rather quickly no matter what. The point of an earthquake weapon would seem to be passing off an attack as a normal environmental disaster.

Wouldn't forcing earthquakes also cause environmental problems? We have other things then nukes we can blow crap up without leaving a perminent environmental scar on the place.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:34 AM

View PostCadetak, on 25 January 2010 - 08:15 AM, said:

Yeah but not every fault line is great enough to cause an earthquake big enough to cause significant damage.

When Iraq suddenly gets hit by huge odd earthquakes and then Iran does and then N. Korea and then so on somebody is going catch on rather quickly no matter what. The point of an earthquake weapon would seem to be passing off an attack as a normal environmental disaster.

Wouldn't forcing earthquakes also cause environmental problems? We have other things then nukes we can blow crap up without leaving a perminent environmental scar on the place.

For Iran it is very hard to prove the source of such attack without boosting the fears of USA among the population - and these fears alone would undermine islamic government, which the locals would see mad because it chose an enemy of such capabilities. Iran cannot respond, it can only lament. Of course some China can then whack USA and also pretend nothing happened. If they have this weapon too, and this is possible given the numbers of Chinese scientists in USA. Its like toddlers in the sand, enough for one to start throwing it.

N Korea is immune, if such thing happens they would simply wipe off Guam and Okinawa. No one would ever touch it.


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Posted 25 January 2010 - 02:14 PM

marabod I hope you're not actually suggesting that the US has such a weapon. While the ability to set off earthquakes is theoretically possible, so is faster than light travel. Doesn't mean the technology is there and in use. Plus even if the US had this magical doomsday weapon why would it be used against Haiti of all places?

This was a natural disaster, end of story.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 02:27 PM

View PostCorp, on 25 January 2010 - 02:14 PM, said:

marabod I hope you're not actually suggesting that the US has such a weapon. While the ability to set off earthquakes is theoretically possible, so is faster than light travel. Doesn't mean the technology is there and in use. Plus even if the US had this magical doomsday weapon why would it be used against Haiti of all places?

This was a natural disaster, end of story.
I agree. People seem to be willing to go to any length to make the US look bad...

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:35 PM

View PostCorp, on 25 January 2010 - 02:14 PM, said:

marabod I hope you're not actually suggesting that the US has such a weapon. While the ability to set off earthquakes is theoretically possible, so is faster than light travel. Doesn't mean the technology is there and in use. Plus even if the US had this magical doomsday weapon why would it be used against Haiti of all places?

This was a natural disaster, end of story.

Russia in 1999 made a semi-official claim of possessing such weapon and having used it against Turkey! This was on the level of one radical MP who is still sitting there and is one of vice-speakers. Georgia claims having been attacked with this weapon recently. If so, why US cannot have it?

I do not want to speculate why Haiti, as this would be really not serious at the moment, but the possibility of this weapon existing I would put at 80%.


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Posted 25 January 2010 - 11:05 PM

Really? Sorry but I don't believe it for a second. I put earthquake weapon up there with ray guns and mind control beams. Frankly I just don't see the point of it. Strikes me as a grossly ineffective weapon that would cost more than any benefits.

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