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Blair Condems Euro 2004 Violence
when are these idiots going to learn.
Started by Lottie , Jun 16 2004 04:41 PM
Started by Lottie , Jun 16 2004 04:41 PM
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 03:24 PM
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| Indeed, as its a minority of fans causing the problem... how does this magically mean I'm racist? |
At what point did Cufflink accuse you of being racist ?
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 03:26 PM
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| And YOU were the one who started the bit about racist chanting. |
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 03:28 PM
From that quote he said that you started talking about racist chanting at football matches, he didn't say that you personally, were racist.
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 03:30 PM
Opps, misread it. 
Actually despite having misread it, that does make me feel much better that their aren't racist insults being thrown about 
Actually despite having misread it, that does make me feel much better that their aren't racist insults being thrown about
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 03:33 PM
Well good, that's that cleared up then. 
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 10:12 AM
Personally I think that we English get a bad press.
In Italy there is football violence and racsim that would make a member of the BNP blush, but you never hear about it.
A few English lads get drunk and get their collar felt and suddenly we're a nation of louts.
Go figure.
In Italy there is football violence and racsim that would make a member of the BNP blush, but you never hear about it.
A few English lads get drunk and get their collar felt and suddenly we're a nation of louts.
Go figure.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 10:12 AM
ok i on purposley sayed out of that after my initial comment lol.
But in response to the comments of.
teh media is only lookin for an excuse
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that tehre has been zero trouble.
I think the camcorder footage of the riots is enough to sy that it isnt a media conspiracy.
Im sorry but if you deny there is trouble then you might as well be condoning it.
Oh an cufflink i very rarely ever disagree with anything you post however.
Ranegrs and Celtic fans are a disgrace when facing each other.
I am a celtic fan .
However 80, 0000 of us went to seville last year without a single arrest.
Not one. the celltic fans also won both fifa and uefa's fair play awards for their fans behaviour, which by the way was barely reported on a national level.
Scotland have won fifa and uefa's international equivalent a couple of times. However in the past the scotland fans did cause much trouble , but instead of claiming a media conspiracy we faced it and now look at us.
The sectarian problem runs much deeper than football and i cant ever see it bein ended no matter how much is saddens me.
I am sorry they riot and it may be a small minority but not a tiny amount, they riot in their hundreds at times.
Neway the vast majority on england fans are well behaved.
This seemed to have denegrated into a needless argument.
All i stated was i object when they say "british fans".
But in response to the comments of.
teh media is only lookin for an excuse
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that tehre has been zero trouble.
I think the camcorder footage of the riots is enough to sy that it isnt a media conspiracy.
Im sorry but if you deny there is trouble then you might as well be condoning it.
Oh an cufflink i very rarely ever disagree with anything you post however.
Ranegrs and Celtic fans are a disgrace when facing each other.
I am a celtic fan .
However 80, 0000 of us went to seville last year without a single arrest.
Not one. the celltic fans also won both fifa and uefa's fair play awards for their fans behaviour, which by the way was barely reported on a national level.
Scotland have won fifa and uefa's international equivalent a couple of times. However in the past the scotland fans did cause much trouble , but instead of claiming a media conspiracy we faced it and now look at us.
The sectarian problem runs much deeper than football and i cant ever see it bein ended no matter how much is saddens me.
I am sorry they riot and it may be a small minority but not a tiny amount, they riot in their hundreds at times.
Neway the vast majority on england fans are well behaved.
This seemed to have denegrated into a needless argument.
All i stated was i object when they say "british fans".
Edited by wunarmdscissor, 18 June 2004 - 10:17 AM.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 10:40 AM
'If the English win or behave their called English. But if they loss of misbehave their called British.'
Absolute crap, sorry mate.
Absolute crap, sorry mate.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 11:14 AM
| QUOTE (jimma @ Jun 18 2004, 11:40 AM) |
| 'If the English win or behave their called English. But if they loss of misbehave their called British.' Absolute crap, sorry mate. |
Excelent debating skills there. You really manage to explain the basis for your point of view! All the salient facts examined in depth!
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Gweem of a bwade
And dah devew was paid
When dah axe comes down
A chiwin' sound
Steel hits da head
Anothaw wabbit's dead
I'm a wabbit swayer
A guitaw pwayaw
With a nasty habbit
Kill dah wabbit!!! (hah hah hah)
AhhhaahooOhhh
I'm a mean mistweetah
A wabbit feastah
And I pwedict
A bwoody Eastaw
A scuwowing shadow
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 12:56 PM
Overly pithy though Jimma's post was, it's the truth.
I've never heard any terrestrial British TV station refer to England hooligans as 'British' hooligans. Not once. And as regards non-British TV stations, they are, in any case, much more likely to call the fans English, given the strange propensity of non-Brits to call Britain 'England'.
Moreover I've never heard any channel try to rope the Scotland or Wales or Ireland football teams into the epithet 'British' when they do particularly well.
I've never heard any terrestrial British TV station refer to England hooligans as 'British' hooligans. Not once. And as regards non-British TV stations, they are, in any case, much more likely to call the fans English, given the strange propensity of non-Brits to call Britain 'England'.
Moreover I've never heard any channel try to rope the Scotland or Wales or Ireland football teams into the epithet 'British' when they do particularly well.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 01:23 PM
ok aslan.
Channel 5 yesterday on the "right stuff" described them a s british.
GMTV described them as british
Sky digital news text when the initial trouble broke out described the hooligans as "brits".
The BBC article above described them as "britons".
However today its full of english this and england that after the victory.
Antother exampple was when damon hill won the formula 1 title he was described as english.
When David Coulthard won his first Grand Prix he was described as british by all news channels.
Im sorry but its rife.
It is not "absolute crap".
I could go on & on & on & on with many examples.
Channel 5 yesterday on the "right stuff" described them a s british.
GMTV described them as british
Sky digital news text when the initial trouble broke out described the hooligans as "brits".
The BBC article above described them as "britons".
However today its full of english this and england that after the victory.
Antother exampple was when damon hill won the formula 1 title he was described as english.
When David Coulthard won his first Grand Prix he was described as british by all news channels.
Im sorry but its rife.
It is not "absolute crap".
I could go on & on & on & on with many examples.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 01:27 PM
| QUOTE (Aslan @ Jun 18 2004, 01:56 PM) |
| Overly pithy though Jimma's post was, it's the truth. I've never heard any terrestrial British TV station refer to England hooligans as 'British' hooligans. Not once. |
I have... although, News24 at least seems to have been doing well this time on the matter, also other media forms.... Que artical from The Independent
"The legal rights group Fair Trials Abroad said the treatment of Mann and 10 other British fans ordered to be deported by the court on Wednesday night - seven of whom received suspended jail sentences - did not comply with the European Convention on Human Rights. The convention allows a defendant time to prepare a defence and call witnesses."
In the dead of night
A shimmewin' wight
Gweem of a bwade
And dah devew was paid
When dah axe comes down
A chiwin' sound
Steel hits da head
Anothaw wabbit's dead
I'm a wabbit swayer
A guitaw pwayaw
With a nasty habbit
Kill dah wabbit!!! (hah hah hah)
AhhhaahooOhhh
I'm a mean mistweetah
A wabbit feastah
And I pwedict
A bwoody Eastaw
A scuwowing shadow
And dah shadow was dis wabbit
And dah night air echoes
Kill dah wabbit!!!
Kill dah wabbit!!! .........................
A shimmewin' wight
Gweem of a bwade
And dah devew was paid
When dah axe comes down
A chiwin' sound
Steel hits da head
Anothaw wabbit's dead
I'm a wabbit swayer
A guitaw pwayaw
With a nasty habbit
Kill dah wabbit!!! (hah hah hah)
AhhhaahooOhhh
I'm a mean mistweetah
A wabbit feastah
And I pwedict
A bwoody Eastaw
A scuwowing shadow
And dah shadow was dis wabbit
And dah night air echoes
Kill dah wabbit!!!
Kill dah wabbit!!! .........................
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 01:31 PM
Does anyone need any more.
Im dure the BBc and ITV would gladly send us a few quotes from the thousands of letters and complaints tehy get ragarding this matter.
You obviously have no idea how frustrated we all get when we are all tarred by these hooligans and even more frustrated when you deny tehre existence and practically defenb them.
Scotland fans as with irish and welsh fans work hard toke make a good reputation for themseleves winning awards all the way.
Only for all that work to be destroyed by mindless idiont.
AND BY THE WAY.
It isnt much of a minority in beligium and hollad 2000 there were absolutley thousands, in france 98 tehre were thousands.
Im sorry but the way you were attacking us deserved this respons.
Im dure the BBc and ITV would gladly send us a few quotes from the thousands of letters and complaints tehy get ragarding this matter.
You obviously have no idea how frustrated we all get when we are all tarred by these hooligans and even more frustrated when you deny tehre existence and practically defenb them.
Scotland fans as with irish and welsh fans work hard toke make a good reputation for themseleves winning awards all the way.
Only for all that work to be destroyed by mindless idiont.
AND BY THE WAY.
It isnt much of a minority in beligium and hollad 2000 there were absolutley thousands, in france 98 tehre were thousands.
Im sorry but the way you were attacking us deserved this respons.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 01:36 PM
| QUOTE (wunarmdscissor @ Jun 18 2004, 02:31 PM) |
| Im sorry but the way you were attacking us deserved this respons. |
Wun, I doubt the comments where made as 'attacks', it is simply that being English they have no reason to particularly notice when the press uses English and when they use British, being Scottish, such things irritate and thus stand out more when they happen.... we are just more aware of it is all.
In the dead of night
A shimmewin' wight
Gweem of a bwade
And dah devew was paid
When dah axe comes down
A chiwin' sound
Steel hits da head
Anothaw wabbit's dead
I'm a wabbit swayer
A guitaw pwayaw
With a nasty habbit
Kill dah wabbit!!! (hah hah hah)
AhhhaahooOhhh
I'm a mean mistweetah
A wabbit feastah
And I pwedict
A bwoody Eastaw
A scuwowing shadow
And dah shadow was dis wabbit
And dah night air echoes
Kill dah wabbit!!!
Kill dah wabbit!!! .........................
A shimmewin' wight
Gweem of a bwade
And dah devew was paid
When dah axe comes down
A chiwin' sound
Steel hits da head
Anothaw wabbit's dead
I'm a wabbit swayer
A guitaw pwayaw
With a nasty habbit
Kill dah wabbit!!! (hah hah hah)
AhhhaahooOhhh
I'm a mean mistweetah
A wabbit feastah
And I pwedict
A bwoody Eastaw
A scuwowing shadow
And dah shadow was dis wabbit
And dah night air echoes
Kill dah wabbit!!!
Kill dah wabbit!!! .........................
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 01:37 PM
I'm afraid to point out that the hooligans who cause the trouble actually ARE BRITISH.
The 'England' fans who cause trouble are not just from England, but there are also Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh amongst them.
the difference is that England has the reputation for violence, so if Cardiff city hooligans, or Rangers ICF fancy a fight abroad, they do so under the English banner.
The 'England' fans who cause trouble are not just from England, but there are also Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh amongst them.
the difference is that England has the reputation for violence, so if Cardiff city hooligans, or Rangers ICF fancy a fight abroad, they do so under the English banner.
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