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are modern humans more like pigs than apes?


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#1    blinx

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:18 PM

are the anatomically modern humans(homo sapiens sapiens)more like pigs and swines than any other species and subspecies of primates and hominids largely in terms of intelligence and diet?

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:32 PM

View Postblinx, on 11 February 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

are the anatomically modern humans(homo sapiens sapiens)more like pigs and swines than any other species and subspecies of primates and hominids largely in terms of intelligence and diet?

umm, maybe in terms of diet, and some anatomy with our organs i guess. and i havent seen pigs able to solve the problems apes can.
but since we ARE apes, no, we are not closer to pigs than primates.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:35 PM

View PostAgent. Mulder, on 11 February 2010 - 03:32 PM, said:

umm, maybe in terms of diet, and some anatomy with our organs i guess. and i havent seen pigs able to solve the problems apes can.
but since we ARE apes, no, we are not closer to pigs than primates.
how come they use pig hearts n other organs 4 transplants and not apes then? and i remember sumthin on the news a few year ago about how pigs can play proper simple computer games, how u gonna explain that?


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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:37 PM

Pigs are clever, but not on par with Chimpanzees. They are also omnivores, but even in that respect, Chimps eat stuff more similar to us then to pigs.


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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:38 PM

aint it weird how the bible and koran have rules against eating pork,but no rules against monkey meat?

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:38 PM

View Postblinx, on 11 February 2010 - 03:35 PM, said:

how come they use pig hearts n other organs 4 transplants and not apes then? and i remember sumthin on the news a few year ago about how pigs can play proper simple computer games, how u gonna explain that?
Because we can breed pigs for such a thing and they are common, where as other apes are not.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:39 PM

View Postblinx, on 11 February 2010 - 03:38 PM, said:

aint it weird how the bible and koran have rules against eating pork,but not monkey meat?
Apes aren't monkeys and nor are they found in the area's were those texts come from.

Also, we are genetically more similar to rabbits than to pigs

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:41 PM

View Postblinx, on 11 February 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

are the anatomically modern humans(homo sapiens sapiens)more like pigs and swines than any other species and subspecies of primates and hominids largely in terms of intelligence and diet?






well...we don't roll in mud,and devour everything in site like our fellow swines.........although compared to ape's............most homosapiens  scratch their ass's..but not  pic fleas of each other or eat them(not in my experience )...so are you asking which is more intelligent and more diet conscious?????.....well i know i'm not stupid and i love bacon.........Posted Image ...and haven't eaten any good ape's lately.....

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:41 PM

View PostMattshark, on 11 February 2010 - 03:38 PM, said:

Because we can breed pigs for such a thing and they are common, where as other apes are not.
yeah but if they werent related to us surely transplants wouldnt work?


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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:43 PM

View PostMattshark, on 11 February 2010 - 03:39 PM, said:

Apes aren't monkeys and nor are they found in the area's were those texts come from.
alright apes then dont act like u didnt no wot i meant LOL by the area i supose u mean the middle east? well pigs dont live there either pal so why would it say not 2 eat pork?


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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:43 PM

View Postblinx, on 11 February 2010 - 03:41 PM, said:

yeah but if they werent related to us surely transplants wouldnt work?
Why not? Never heard of convergent evolution? Especially since the domestic pig is pretty much a human construct.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:45 PM

View PostMattshark, on 11 February 2010 - 03:43 PM, said:

Why not? Never heard of convergent evolution? Especially since the domestic pig is pretty much a human construct.
yeah pigs come from boars wot live in europe not in the middle east n wot u mean by convergent


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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:48 PM

View Postblinx, on 11 February 2010 - 03:45 PM, said:

yeah pigs come from boars wot live in europe not in the middle east n wot u mean by convergent
Yep, the wild boar is actually the same species as the domestic pig, but it is quite a different animal.
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On the tree btw, pigs are in Cetartiodactyla along with sheep, goats, cows, deer, hippos and whales and dolphins.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:49 PM

right i get u now but it dont explain how ppl can get transplants off pigs


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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:54 PM

View Postblinx, on 11 February 2010 - 03:49 PM, said:

right i get u now but it dont explain how ppl can get transplants off pigs
We convergently evolved by having a similar diet meaning a similar liver, but not all pig organs are usable in us. Our brains are unsurprisingly quite different as are our digestive systems.

It should be noted that we are not at the stage where this is fully available to us, 2 years ago we were still a decade away from this and it would probably be a lot easier with apes, but we don't farm them.

Edited by Mattshark, 11 February 2010 - 03:58 PM.

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