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Report: U.S. hostage beheaded in Saudi Arabia


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#16    Druidus

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 05:39 AM

Being a bit stereotypical there aren't you joc?  A little racist, perhaps?  Induced by war-fervor?  Sure I believe that the people who beheaded that man were wrong and need serious help, but that doesn't mean they're all bad.  I know you say that you have met them several times, and I have too.  In fact, my uncle is from Iraq, as are two of my cousins, and several of their relatives are saudi's.  I have seen them many times, and they are actually quite good people.

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 12:14 PM

QUOTE (joc @ Jun 18 2004, 06:47 PM)
Saudis are for a fact the most blah blah offensive guff  I have encountered them on several different fronts,  Miltary, and Civilian.

Wow joc. I went with Aslans edited version, but I have to say that you made it pretty clear with what you originally posted what motivates you in the war on terror.  ohmy.gif

Druidus has a valid point.

You have shown your true colors with that tirade. I do find it helpful to understand your thought processes to this point in the matters of the Middle East... it all makes sense now, I had thought it was just a blind allegiance to the President, but now I see that it is more than that...

How sad.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 01:11 PM

Look, the people of Saudi Arabia are not evil.
But many, if not most of them, are brainwashed into this highly radical form of Islam called Wahhabism (a KKK equivalent of Islam).
If America would rid the Saudi people from the Saud family, and make Saudi Arabia a democracy, they would win the war on terror. The Saud family finance most of the terrorism world-wide, spreading their Wahhabist ideology.
But America will never do this, not when Saudi Arabia sit on a huge reserve of petroleum.

As a matter of fact, there are three main radical ideologies in the middle-east. Americans and Westerners only familiar with Wahhabism (the ideology of Hamas, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Islamic Brotherhood etc).
Another very radical ideology is Humeinism - a radical form of Shiism. The current leaders of Iran are Humenistic. Hizbollah, the most powerfull religious terrorist group in the middle-east, is a Humeinistic group.
The third radical ideology is Pan-Arabic (just like pan-Germanic) nationalism. Saddam Hussein is a pan-Arabist, Assad (the leader of Syria) is pan-Arabist, Qadaffi was pan-Arabist, and the PLO is a pan-Arabist organization. The pan-Arabic ideology is a secular fascist ideology that vision the unity of all Arabs in one strong and superb Ummah.

So although America was hit only by one ideology, there are still the other two who lurk and wait for their moment.
The war on terror is far from over.

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 01:25 PM

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But many, if not most of them, are brainwashed into this highly radical form of Islam called Wahhabism (a KKK equivalent of Islam).
If America would rid the Saudi people from the Saud family, and make Saudi Arabia a democracy, they would win the war on terror. The Saud family finance most of the terrorism world-wide, spreading their Wahhabist ideology.


Do you actualy believe this ill-informed **** that you've posted?

First, they could equaly... and with more justification accuse you of being brainwashed by right-wing judeo-Christian fundamentalist (More justification because it can be related to your posts and attitudes rather than being a generic comment about an entire country population)

Second, Who gives America the damn right to invade soverign nations? A lot of the world have just about had their fill of America acting like a schoolyard bully boy. Invading Iraq wasn't about the 'war on terror', it was a war on behalf of Bush's ego and the ego's of a portion of Americans who think they have the right to impose their 'culture' on the rest of the globe! (Plus the fact that YOU have an anti-arab adgenda as came up in a prior thread!)

Third, the Saud family are targets of the terrorists and this situation is likely to topple their powerbase, your UNFOUNDED accusations come from your own biggotry and ignorance!

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 02:41 PM

I wanna know what joc said.

I take it my suspicions are correct.

These killers are nothin but animals.

You wouldnt even treat an animal the way they treated that poor man.

There is no excuse for what they did .

None .



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Posted 19 June 2004 - 03:54 PM

That's interesting Erikl. Could you tell us more of your thoughts on this subject?

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Second, Who gives America the damn right to invade sovereign nations?A lot of the world have just about had their fill of America acting like a schoolyard bully boy.


Who gave the terrorists the right to SLAM our country!

A lot of the world have just about had their fill of America...what does that mean, Fenris?

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE (Babs @ Jun 19 2004, 04:54 PM)
Who gave the terrorists the right to SLAM our country!

A lot of the world have just about had their fill of America...what does that mean, Fenris?

The terrorists don't have a dratted country to invade... or are you conveniently forgetting that?

It wasn't the Iraqis that brought down the WTC, nor was it the Saudi's... it was a terrorist organisation that has no fixed country of origin (Although they where using afganistan as a training base... but you already invaded them!).

I mean just what I said, if America trys invading Saudi with such a feeble excuse there won't just be Muslims fighting them... this kind of warmongering and invading countrys on false pretences is something the world has seen before...... From Nazi Germany!

In the dead of night
A shimmewin' wight
Gweem of a bwade
And dah devew was paid
When dah axe comes down
A chiwin' sound
Steel hits da head
Anothaw wabbit's dead
I'm a wabbit swayer
A guitaw pwayaw
With a nasty habbit

Kill dah wabbit!!! (hah hah hah)
AhhhaahooOhhh

I'm a mean mistweetah
A wabbit feastah
And I pwedict
A bwoody Eastaw
A scuwowing shadow
And dah shadow was dis wabbit
And dah night air echoes
Kill dah wabbit!!!
Kill dah wabbit!!!
.........................

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 04:20 PM

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Do you actualy believe this ill-informed **** that you've posted?

Excuse me??? what did I say in my post that is so wrong as to get such a reaction from you? or is it that you just waited for an opertunity to bash my post?

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First, they could equaly... and with more justification accuse you of being brainwashed by right-wing judeo-Christian fundamentalist (More justification because it can be related to your posts and attitudes rather than being a generic comment about an entire country population)

This is a pure lie and originate from a deep hatred you resent for me and my country, as is shown in all your other posts.
Nothing I said here or anywhere else shows me as:
A. right-wing.
B. fundamentalist
C. generilization of an entire population.

I believe your attitude toward me is based on:
A. a stereotype you have on me and my country.
B. your lack of information about anything in the middle-east. Just because you sent soldiers to this area, or that your media writes about the events here, doesn't mean that you know anything. I know Hebrew as well as Arabic. I have meant and spoke with many of the people who live in those countries: Assyrians, Kurds, Arabs, Druzes and many others that you probably never heard of. I have nothing against those people. Get it through your head! Most Israelis DO NOT hate Arabs.
20% of my country's population is Arab. We have Arabs in prliament.

How can an intelligent Israeli hate Arabs if we do not know what they feel about us without being brainwashed? remember, all Arabs in the ME (exept those who live in Israel) live in dictatorships, which dictates education and TV broadcast.
The regime of Saudi Arabia is one of the worst in the world. Thieves' hands are cut off. Weman are oppressed. This is also one of the only countries in the world where Jews (not Israeli jews, any jew!) are not allowed to live in.
You obviously know nothing about the ME, or you were miss-informed.

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Third, the Saud family are targets of the terrorists and this situation is likely to topple their powerbase, your UNFOUNDED accusations come from your own biggotry and ignorance!

Again, shows your total lack of knowledge about the ME. The Saudis were the ones who funded those terrorists to begin with. The problem with terrorists, is, unfurnately for the Saudis, that you can't really control them. So just as America supported the Taliban in the Cold War against Russia, and then the Taliban turned against America, so did Al-Qaeda turned against the Saudi family.

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Second, Who gives America the damn right to invade soverign nations?

The fact that they were attacked by terrorist, gives them the right to declair war against terrorism. And the fact that they are the sole super-power in the world, they are able to fight terrorism everywhere.
And just because many in the West do not understand what is the connection between Saddam Hussein and Usama Bin Laden, doesn't give you the right to deligitimate America's self defence actions.
Saddam funded terrorism in general. Maybe not Al-Qaeda, but other terrorist groups. If you are to declair war againt terrorism, you have to deal with him.
True, Iraq wouldn't be my first choice, and Bush did decide to invade it first just for America's own interests.

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 04:45 PM

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It wasn't the Iraqis that brought down the WTC, nor was it the Saudi's... it was a terrorist organisation that has no fixed country of origin (Although they where using afganistan as a training base... but you already invaded them!).

No, but the Saudis did and still do finance terror groups around the world, and spread Wahhbist poison in Muslim communities around the world.
And it was Saddam who gave moral as well as economic support for terrorism.

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I mean just what I said, if America trys invading Saudi with such a feeble excuse there won't just be Muslims fighting them... this kind of warmongering and invading countrys on false pretences is something the world has seen before...... From Nazi Germany!

True, France and most of the EU will be furious to see their oil supplies tempered with.

This just shows your true colors - "is something the world has seen before...... From Nazi Germany!".
As I suspected, you are one of those extreme-left nuts who are anti-American and believe that the true axis of evil is America-Israel-American-Jews....
You are nothing more than a bigot.
I do not agree with many of America's actions, true.
But at least I don't hate them so radicaly as you do.
Tell, me what did Americans do to you that you hate them so much?
The last time I checked, Americans saved you from Nazism and Communism.
I see it very alarming that you support dictatorships more than you support democracies....  huh.gif  

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE (fluffybunny @ Jun 18 2004, 11:45 PM)
QUOTE (Babs @ Jun 18 2004, 02:58 PM)
Another thing I just got to say, "with friends like Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies."

I have no idea how we could consider them a "friend". I was there 10 years ago, if it wasn't for the fact that Iraq was about to roll into their country they would not have wanted anything to do with us, and weren't afraid to say so.

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Nxt...no, I wish the U.S. could behead terrrorists...."an eye for an eye".


A well placed high caliber sniper round will pretty much do that for you...

  thumbsup.gif I say if the bad boys in Saudia Arabia wants to play , ok lets play I know our toys are bigger than there's. AS far as the Iraqi scum bags are concerned, weve been playing around in falluja to long, lets give them a scorched earth policy and level it to the ground.                                                                           signed by a Vietnam Veteran ph34r.gif


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Posted 19 June 2004 - 05:08 PM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jun 19 2004, 05:09 PM)
QUOTE (Babs @ Jun 19 2004, 04:54 PM)
Who gave the terrorists the right to SLAM our country!

A lot of the world have just about had their fill of America...what does that mean, Fenris?

The terrorists don't have a dratted country to invade... or are you conveniently forgetting that?

It wasn't the Iraqis that brought down the WTC, nor was it the Saudi's... it was a terrorist organisation that has no fixed country of origin (Although they where using afganistan as a training base... but you already invaded them!).

I mean just what I said, if America trys invading Saudi with such a feeble excuse there won't just be Muslims fighting them... this kind of warmongering and invading countrys on false pretences is something the world has seen before...... From Nazi Germany!

[QUOTE] disgust.gif I think the U.S. has got to stop being the worlds policeman and start taking care of its own citizins. We contribute money to damn near every country in the world and feed even more. We have to stop worrying about world opinion and just do whatever it takes to insur the safety of our citizens living and working in foreign countries. thumbsup.gif  


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Posted 19 June 2004 - 08:00 PM

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I wanna know what joc said.


Joc said some racist crap about saudi's as a whole.

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These killers are nothin but animals.


Ummm...  Humans are animals.  Specifically, we are:
Animalia
Chordata
Vertebrata
Mammalia
Theria
Eutheria
Primates
Anthropoidea
Hominoidea
Hominidae
Homo
Sapiens

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You wouldnt even treat an animal the way they treated that poor man.


Right.  I would treat the animal as I would expect to be treated.  I treat them as equal, as I do everyone.  Because we are no better and no worse.  We share the planet, and they have the same rights to life we do.

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There is no excuse for what they did .

None .


I would suppose that there are several solid beliefs held by these people, that made them think that what they were doing is right.  In esscence, they brainwashed themselves.  They do not deserve to die, or anything like that.  What they desperately need is therapy.  Intense therapy.  Not hate and condemnation to death by others.  That makes us just as bad as them.

Edited by Druidus, 19 June 2004 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 19 June 2004 - 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Erikl @ Jun 19 2004, 05:20 PM)

Nothing I said here or anywhere else shows me as:
A. right-wing.
B. fundamentalist
C. generilization of an entire population.

Too busy laughing at it to go through in detail but....

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If America would rid the Saudi people from the Saud family, and make Saudi Arabia a democracy, they would win the war on terror.


Nicely covers all three of those! Newsflash, the majority of Saudi's are quite happy with the form of government they have, its pure arrogance to assume your way is better..... but then its what you have a tendency to do, even if it means turning a blind eye to the worst forms of human rights abuse!

In the dead of night
A shimmewin' wight
Gweem of a bwade
And dah devew was paid
When dah axe comes down
A chiwin' sound
Steel hits da head
Anothaw wabbit's dead
I'm a wabbit swayer
A guitaw pwayaw
With a nasty habbit

Kill dah wabbit!!! (hah hah hah)
AhhhaahooOhhh

I'm a mean mistweetah
A wabbit feastah
And I pwedict
A bwoody Eastaw
A scuwowing shadow
And dah shadow was dis wabbit
And dah night air echoes
Kill dah wabbit!!!
Kill dah wabbit!!!
.........................

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Posted 20 June 2004 - 01:46 AM

Lightumup wrote:

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I think that the U.S. has got to stop being the worlds policeman and start taking care of it's own citizens. We contribute money to damn near every country in the world and feed even more. We have to stop worrying about world opinion and just do whatever it takes to insure the safety of our citizens living and woking in foreign countries.


thumbsup.gif  Thanks for sharing that; I've been wanting to say that, myself, for a long time.  And that scorched earth policy, thumbs up on that one, too.  

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Posted 20 June 2004 - 01:49 AM

You know what you need to do then. Vote Kerry!

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But wait, will that really change anything...?





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