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[Cetacea]

bigdaddyinge, on 15 March 2010 - 02:16 PM, said:

yeah, but you gotta know the whole hyrax thing with smugfish... it's frankly a little insulting to the members of this forum the way he posts the things he does without any explanation of why he thinks that way, then goes on to hijack any other threads he can get his hands on. ask cetacea, who has a uniquely strong fondness for the guy.

It's the blatant and continuous abuse of zoology in the face of facts I guess... you get a little irritated after a few pages.

[Samuronin]

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yeah, but you gotta know the whole hyrax thing with smugfish... it's frankly a little insulting to the members of this forum the way he posts the things he does without any explanation of why he thinks that way, then goes on to hijack any other threads he can get his hands on. ask cetacea, who has a uniquely strong fondness for the guy.  

Yeah.... I looked up his topics, this dude sure loves Hyraxs.....

[bigdaddyinge]

Samuronin, on 15 March 2010 - 02:34 PM, said:

Yeah.... I looked up his topics, this dude sure loves Hyraxs.....

no, really what he loves is to turn all of UM into his own giant mad libs. what happened to atlantis? a hyrax ate it. why am i hearing noises under my bed? a hyrax is under there. who built the pyramids? a whole friggin gang of hyraxes did. it gets old like cetecea said.

[1963]

Kroe, on 14 March 2010 - 07:53 PM, said:

It was an unfortunate hiking accident which can easily be explained. They were the unfortunate victims of an avalanche and hypothermia. The reason they were partially dressed can be explained by paradoxical undressing.

The reason the bodies had a strange tint was due to the fact that they had lain dead in the sun for a number of days. The woman with the missing tongue could be attributed to scavengers, since that is one of the parts they will go for first. The three hikers with the crushed bodies and the torn tent all point to an avalanche as the cause.

Also, claims about radiation and orange spheres do not appear in the original inquest, which suggest they were add much later.

It was a sad, tragic accident, but nothing paranormal.

                                                                                                 Sorry Kroe!, but the whole avelanche thing is a none starter for me! Apart from the tent being ripped,or torn apart from within, I have read about this subject quite a lot, and have never come across the part where it says that the search parties had to dig or move even a tiny avelanche's worth of snow!  Thurther-more, surely the coroner would have known that the tongue would have been scavenged by a crow or some other meat scrouger! Besides, if it were scavengers that took it,whilst still in the young ladys mouth,..then why was there no mention of any other facial damage,i.e the lips and even more liely the eyes?,which i believe are always the first things to go!.. I do not claim to be any kind of expert, But i do believe that this incident is a   frustratingly never to be solved mystery!!!!

[bigdaddyinge]

1963, on 15 March 2010 - 03:07 PM, said:

Sorry Kroe!, but the whole avelanche thing is a none starter for me! Apart from the tent being ripped,or torn apart from within, I have read about this subject quite a lot, and have never come across the part where it says that the search parties had to dig or move even a tiny avelanche's worth of snow!  Thurther-more, surely the coroner would have known that the tongue would have been scavenged by a crow or some other meat scrouger! Besides, if it were scavengers that took it,whilst still in the young ladys mouth,..then why was there no mention of any other facial damage,i.e the lips and even more liely the eyes?,which i believe are always the first things to go!.. I do not claim to be any kind of expert, But i do believe that this incident is a   frustratingly never to be solved mystery!!!!

good points... the whole just the tongue missing didn't really sit right with me either, and logic would dictate the removal of snow in the case of an avalanche. mmmm... maybe it WAS a hyrax!!(no, not really)

[Over-Kill]

Smugfish, on 15 March 2010 - 11:16 AM, said:

It's a fascinating case which is most likely due to the electromagnectic field emminating from a flying cryptid imo. The fear factor was enough to send the group into a panic stricken run into the night.

You always come up with the most original stuff dude.  

"electromagnetic field emminationg from a flying cryptid". and i also like how it is "Most likely" as in your words...

[RingFenceTheCity]

bigdaddyinge, on 15 March 2010 - 02:16 PM, said:

yeah, but you gotta know the whole hyrax thing with smugfish... it's frankly a little insulting to the members of this forum the way he posts the things he does without any explanation of why he thinks that way, then goes on to hijack any other threads he can get his hands on. ask cetacea, who has a uniquely strong fondness for the guy.

This is a forum about cryptozoology, is it not? So, I'm giving a balance to the overly weighted mainstream "it's all urban myth" brigade.

[Samuronin]

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Sorry Kroe!, but the whole avelanche thing is a none starter for me! Apart from the tent being ripped,or torn apart from within, I have read about this subject quite a lot, and have never come across the part where it says that the search parties had to dig or move even a tiny avelanche's worth of snow! Thurther-more, surely the coroner would have known that the tongue would have been scavenged by a crow or some other meat scrouger! Besides, if it were scavengers that took it,whilst still in the young ladys mouth,..then why was there no mention of any other facial damage,i.e the lips and even more liely the eyes?,which i believe are always the first things to go!.. I do not claim to be any kind of expert, But i do believe that this incident is a frustratingly never to be solved mystery!!!!

Good point, so what do you think happened to the hikers? I'm really curious as to how anyone, even up to today, cannot suggest plausible explanations. And please, no more hyraxs  

[Cetacea]

Smugfish, on 15 March 2010 - 03:29 PM, said:

This is a forum about cryptozoology, is it not? So, I'm giving a balance to the overly weighted mainstream "it's all urban myth" brigade.

And if crypotzoology wants to start being taken seriously, it's followers should stop making stuff up because it's fun and come up with plausible explanations that do not fly in the face of scientific facts and that would be ecologically viable.

[bigdaddyinge]

Smugfish, on 15 March 2010 - 03:29 PM, said:

This is a forum about cryptozoology, is it not? So, I'm giving a balance to the overly weighted mainstream "it's all urban myth" brigade.

no, you're trying to slap your little, ridiculous hyrax theories into just about every thread in this forum. you haven't even answered any of the reasonable questions posed in your own thread, and you just infiltrate others with your nonesensical tie-ins to their topics. come on, man.

Samuronin, on 15 March 2010 - 03:30 PM, said:

Good point, so what do you think happened to the hikers? I'm really curious as to how anyone, even up to today, cannot suggest plausible explanations. And please, no more hyraxs  

it's such a strange story that it's kinda hard to even speculate as to what even MIGHT have happened. obviously there was just enough facts left out for it to end up that way. it's unfortunate, because i for one would like to know what happened... or even had enough to speculate myself as to what happened.

[Mattshark]

1963, on 15 March 2010 - 03:07 PM, said:

Sorry Kroe!, but the whole avelanche thing is a none starter for me! Apart from the tent being ripped,or torn apart from within, I have read about this subject quite a lot, and have never come across the part where it says that the search parties had to dig or move even a tiny avelanche's worth of snow!  Thurther-more, surely the coroner would have known that the tongue would have been scavenged by a crow or some other meat scrouger! Besides, if it were scavengers that took it,whilst still in the young ladys mouth,..then why was there no mention of any other facial damage,i.e the lips and even more liely the eyes?,which i believe are always the first things to go!.. I do not claim to be any kind of expert, But i do believe that this incident is a   frustratingly never to be solved mystery!!!!

Well you have to address the quality of information coming out of cold war Russia for a start and the sheer volumes of crap across the internet on such a thing.
Being frozen there would have been a lot of facial damage anyway so it may not have been so clear.
A lot of small carnivores go for the tongue, especially foxes and mustelids.

[bigdaddyinge]

Mattshark, on 15 March 2010 - 03:59 PM, said:

Well you have to address the quality of information coming out of cold war Russia for a start and the sheer volumes of crap across the internet on such a thing.
Being frozen there would have been a lot of facial damage anyway so it may not have been so clear.
A lot of small carnivores go for the tongue, especially foxes and mustelids.

true, communist anywhere isn't a very reliable source for anything truthfull. but i think even small carnivores would have gone for the eyes too, unless of course the supposed radiation caused the tongue to taste like crap.

[Drago]

Smugfish, on 15 March 2010 - 03:29 PM, said:

This is a forum about cryptozoology, is it not? So, I'm giving a balance to the overly weighted mainstream "it's all urban myth" brigade.

It's a forum about cryptozoology.  As in 'reported animals or creatures that fly in the face of science and/or common sense'.  Not 'Animals made up on the spot out of whole cloth just so you can feel more creative.'

When somebody reports a giant hyrax, feel free to go coocoo for cocoa puffs.  Until then quit making it such a master of disguise that everything from the Lizard Man to the Beast of Gevaudan to Chuck Norris turns out to be a giant freaking hyrax.  It wasn't even a good explanation for the one you made it up for, and spamming it everywhere as the answer to everything from werewolves to the common cold is not picking up any credibility points.

These people were in an incredibly dangerous, hostile environment that would kill them the second they forgot it.  I fail to see why an unknown flying animal with completely unrealistic science-fiction 'electrical field fear powers' is needed to explain what happened to them.

[bigdaddyinge]

Drago, on 15 March 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

It's a forum about cryptozoology.  As in 'reported animals or creatures that fly in the face of science and/or common sense'.  Not 'Animals made up on the spot out of whole cloth just so you can feel more creative.'

When somebody reports a giant hyrax, feel free to go coocoo for cocoa puffs.  Until then quit making it such a master of disguise that everything from the Lizard Man to the Beast of Gevaudan to Chuck Norris turns out to be a giant freaking hyrax.  It wasn't even a good explanation for the one you made it up for, and spamming it everywhere as the answer to everything from werewolves to the common cold is not picking up any credibility points.

These people were in an incredibly dangerous, hostile environment that would kill them the second they forgot it.  I fail to see why an unknown flying animal with completely unrealistic science-fiction 'electrical field fear powers' is needed to explain what happened to them.

amen and well said.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Why do people think the tougne was removed by an animal, where it clearly states thae only hikers footprints were found.  Avalanche is not the reason i think, but i do however one of them got crazy and attacked the fellow hikers.