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#16    Agent. Mulder

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 03:41 AM

View Postebonycrow, on 24 March 2010 - 03:33 AM, said:

I have to go with Mulder on this one. I transcribe a lot of testimonies, and some of them are QUITE detailed--more often than not, those who give the most information are being honest. I tend to notice the exact opposite when someone is lying in their testimony, they say little to nothing at all. They don't want to say something that could convict them or otherwise be disproved.

Sometimes you do get good liars who can come up with a nice, detailed story off the top of their head, but to create a convincing story that adds up in the end is very difficult.

yeop. very true.
gotta be careful with all these accounts. its easy to make one up thats detailed. but, i also agree. people who leave it vague sometimes hint at lying about it. especially in these conditions, i mean, its in the light of day, of course they can give some half decent detail about something relatively close to them, and something they later observed in binoculars.
but, the skepticism is always there for me.

Edited by Agent. Mulder, 24 March 2010 - 03:42 AM.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 03:43 AM

Thanks for sharing this story jtheat.  It sounds very similar to other stories I heard of, or read.  One story in particular was told to me by a hunter who had a similar experience; but at night.  He had been an avid hunter all of his life and the experience effected him so much that he also refused to hunt again.  He frequently hunted alone, but after his encounter he just wouldn't go back in the woods alone at all.  Funny thing, he lives in Washington state, only a few miles away from some of the best elk hunting in the country.

PS.  Rock throwing is commonly reported in these types of encounters.  It strikes me really odd that someone "pranking" would throw rocks at a guy with a gun.  To me, that's just really stupid.  

PSS. Bears don't throw rocks.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 03:44 AM

View Postebonycrow, on 24 March 2010 - 03:33 AM, said:

I have to go with Mulder on this one. I transcribe a lot of testimonies, and some of them are QUITE detailed--more often than not, those who give the most information are being honest. I tend to notice the exact opposite when someone is lying in their testimony, they say little to nothing at all. They don't want to say something that could convict them or otherwise be disproved.

Sometimes you do get good liars who can come up with a nice, detailed story off the top of their head, but to create a convincing story that adds up in the end is very difficult.


Your line of work is legal then?

I have found the opposite, very often one small lie leads to another, which then snowballs into a story no one can believe.

How do you feel the account "adds up"? I am curious, I want to know why people believe people.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 03:54 AM

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Your line of work is legal then?

I have found the opposite, very often one small lie leads to another, which then snowballs into a story no one can believe.

How do you feel the account "adds up"? I am curious, I want to know why people believe people.

what are your reasons for feeling that it doesnt?
(excluding your non belief in the ape-men/wild-men obviously)

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 04:32 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 24 March 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

Your line of work is legal then?

I have found the opposite, very often one small lie leads to another, which then snowballs into a story no one can believe.

How do you feel the account "adds up"? I am curious, I want to know why people believe people.

Yep.

That does happen, but in cases like that it's fairly easy to tell when someone is lying. They're caught early on because they'll quickly say something that doesn't match up with what was said previously--either by themselves or by someone else. The more "detail" they add, or more questions they answer, just sets them up for failure; which is why most people keep their fibs short and simple.

Though, I'm still on the fence about this particular story. All I've got to go on is this one relatively short account, I don't know the individual and there's quite a bit more that could be shared about the event.


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Posted 24 March 2010 - 06:00 AM

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what are your reasons for feeling that it doesnt?
(excluding your non belief in the ape-men/wild-men obviously)


To me it reads like a collection of previous Biff stories with the best bits taken out and collaborated. Especially snarling Biff, you know the water one that was hoaxed? Excellent prose makes them all tie in. Also, the detail is so impeccable, yet broad brushed in a fashion that screams creative writing classes. Temp 60 Deg F in the fall on 1976? 60 Deg? Not warm or sultry, or humid, but 60 degrees. Then this one  back in 1976 I have never heard of or knew anything about “Big Foot”. I am with Neo there. Less than a decade after Pattersons film. It was still considered authentic at the time, we even heard about it downunder. But not in the USA, in Biff country? That seems a little hard to swallow, then it snarled and chased? The thing was not happy? How is it the claimant is here today? After hearing the creature strides highways in two steps in no time at all, how did this creature not catch this witness and tear him up into little pieces? If it was sure he was leaving, why the pursuit at all? Why not shoot? Fear of angering it? But then if it did come, he would empty the gun into it? The fear sounds intense, but no shots were fired, and he sat in the car for a while looking at the thing he just escaped from? The scared for family bit sounds cheesy, I am a Dad and if I thought my little ones were in any danger, I would remove them, or take out the threat, not wait for the right real estate opportunity to come along.
And no attempt has been made to return and capture/kill a specimen.

These are the things I feel do not add up, no offense intended to the OP. That and the brilliant prose speaks loudly AUTHOR. f the OP does not write, he/she should. It is a very interesting tale to read.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 06:42 AM

View Postebonycrow, on 24 March 2010 - 04:32 AM, said:

Yep.

That does happen, but in cases like that it's fairly easy to tell when someone is lying. They're caught early on because they'll quickly say something that doesn't match up with what was said previously--either by themselves or by someone else. The more "detail" they add, or more questions they answer, just sets them up for failure; which is why most people keep their fibs short and simple.

Though, I'm still on the fence about this particular story. All I've got to go on is this one relatively short account, I don't know the individual and there's quite a bit more that could be shared about the event.


Very interesting.

I dunno, quite often people get away with this for years before being found out. Thinking of cases like the recent horror stories where children have been kept in dungeons and so forth. These people must have had some long strung tales to get away with such for decades.

I'd prefer not to delve to deeply into this particular case, I'd just like to learn, there is some good stuff in here. Gets me offside with too many people when I poke holes. I have done enough with my post to Mulder already. I'd rather the tale keep inching along for now at least and learn more about the mind connections. Some people want Biff no matter what, I want to know about what sort of person that is.

But I agree, well written, very entertaining.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 01:56 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 24 March 2010 - 06:42 AM, said:

Very interesting.

I dunno, quite often people get away with this for years before being found out. Thinking of cases like the recent horror stories where children have been kept in dungeons and so forth. These people must have had some long strung tales to get away with such for decades.

I'd prefer not to delve to deeply into this particular case, I'd just like to learn, there is some good stuff in here. Gets me offside with too many people when I poke holes. I have done enough with my post to Mulder already. I'd rather the tale keep inching along for now at least and learn more about the mind connections. Some people want Biff no matter what, I want to know about what sort of person that is.

But I agree, well written, very entertaining.

Not where I work. :P But, we don't do very large cases like that. Relatively small things. Theft, property rights... I'm only speaking from experience though. I've never listened to the testimonies of those who were involved in complex trials. For all I know the attorneys working on those cases might have been as daft and dumb as a pile of bull hockey. I dunno!

At any rate. Your post to Mulder does bring up some good points. I'll try to counter on some if I can.

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Then this one back in 1976 I have never heard of or knew anything about “Big Foot”. I am with Neo there. Less than a decade after Pattersons film. It was still considered authentic at the time, we even heard about it downunder. But not in the USA, in Biff country?

It really depends on where you live and what you do. I was growing up in the 90s and I didn't know anything about Bigfoot until I was abouuutt... I'd say ten or eleven. And even then, I watched a LOT of Discovery Channel and crypto-related shows. But I just managed to skip out on all of the Biffgoodness somehow.

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The thing was not happy? How is it the claimant is here today? After hearing the creature strides highways in two steps in no time at all, how did this creature not catch this witness and tear him up into little pieces? If it was sure he was leaving, why the pursuit at all?

Quite a few animals will prefer intimidation tactics as to fighting, when defending their territory. Why risk injury if you can just scare the opposition away? Given that BF is generally described as being similar in appearance to a human--if this was BF--then maybe he thought that the OP was a young BF interested in taking his territory. There's no point in fighting if you can scare him off, and that tactic was carried out beautifully.

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Why not shoot?

Why shoot something you're unsure about? As the OP said, he didn't shoot because of its resembalance to a human.

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and he sat in the car for a while looking at the thing he just escaped from?

It's natural to become an observer when you're out of harms way.

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The scared for family bit sounds cheesy, I am a Dad and if I thought my little ones were in any danger, I would remove them, or take out the threat, not wait for the right real estate opportunity to come along.

It depends on a family's financial situation. Sometimes there is no option to move. When I was young I was in a horrible situation that I should have been removed from ASAP, but because of our situation and poor finances, I had to stay.

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And no attempt has been made to return and capture/kill a specimen.

Not by the OP, no. But we don't know that someone else hasn't attempted. I could compare this circumstance to my endeavor to catalog big cats in the Appalachian mountains. I see no gain in killing or capturing a specimen, knowing that if I did then the hunt would be on. Big cats are dangerous, if I were to publicize their being here then they would be poached to their extinction here once again. Sometimes it is better to just leave things alone.


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Posted 24 March 2010 - 01:57 PM

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goddamn. lots of people gone to jail from detailed testimonies.
neo, you should go inform the judicial system that theyre flawed, as you have definitive proof of it.

Are you not aware of the amount of people who are convicted on witness testimony and later exonerated?

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I have to go with Mulder on this one. I transcribe a lot of testimonies, and some of them are QUITE detailed--more often than not, those who give the most information are being honest. I tend to notice the exact opposite when someone is lying in their testimony, they say little to nothing at all.

and how do you know who is lying and who is not?

Psychology tells us that over a 40+ year timespan, the retelling over and over of this story would see more detail added in. And the teller may even be convinced of that detail that was not there, fully believing the memory. But unfortunately, memory fades over time, not sharpens for a given event. Unless the teller is adding in more detail with each retelling. the memory becomes the retelling, not the actual event.


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Posted 24 March 2010 - 02:08 PM

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and how do you know who is lying and who is not?

Psychology tells us that over a 40+ year timespan, the retelling over and over of this story would see more detail added in. And the teller may even be convinced of that detail that was not there, fully believing the memory. But unfortunately, memory fades over time, not sharpens for a given event. Unless the teller is adding in more detail with each retelling. the memory becomes the retelling, not the actual event.

Because of the evidence presented against the individuals (blah blah, there's no evidence for Bigfoot--I understand). Those who aren't afraid to talk are usually the ones being honest. The more they've got to say, the more they're willing to cooperate, the better the chance you've got someone telling the truth. Someone who barely answers questions, someone who stutters, who "umms" and "ahhs" and "I don't knows" tend to be your liars; that, or they're innocent and they know something that could get them into trouble.

Of course. If you've got a story to tell, it will always sound better written in a way that's creative. However, this story was not typed straight into the UM post field. For all we know, this story could be fairly old, typed ten or more years ago and is simply copy/pasted in here today. There is a character (–) that shows up in his post occasionally, it's a character used to auto-correct two dashes (--). Occasionally the OP uses the long dash, but you'll also find he has a single dash separating his sentences too. That suggests to me that his post was previously typed. Again, it could have been typed into Word immediately and transferred to UM moments later, or it could have existed sometime beforehand.

It depends on what details are being added. If this story is true, then quite a lot would have had to've changed between the actual event and the OP's retelling, if--for example--it was a bear.




And again, because I'm sure you're all, "Lord, that girl is an idiot, I wish she would shut up," I don't necessarily believe that this story IS the truth. But, I see some things that can be defended, so I'll defend them until I can't anymore. It makes for a fun game in an otherwise very boring day.

Edited by ebonycrow, 24 March 2010 - 02:13 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:19 PM

Regarding the bigfoot phemomena in the 70's.... It was huge and it was everywhere.

Anyone a remember the Six Million Dollar man?



Or how about this, Bigfoot and Wildboy!



Continued below....

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:22 PM

Lastly, who can forget In Search Of with Leonard Nimoy....



If you take the time to watch it you'll find that the evidence pool hasnt really changed since the 70's.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:24 PM

I'm a bit suspisious that the OP has not come back to awnser questions about his story. After all he did say he could take the skepical heat.

I may be wrong perhaps he is busy or cant get to a computer.

But it's looking like he just threw this story against the UM wall to see if it would stick.


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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:40 PM

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The more they've got to say, the more they're willing to cooperate, the better the chance you've got someone telling the truth. Someone who barely answers questions, someone who stutters, who "umms" and "ahhs" and "I don't knows" tend to be your liars; that, or they're innocent and they know something that could get them into trouble.

but the OP is not involved in a crime, he is not being questioned. He has limitless time to craft a story, and apparently limitless time to craft a response to our statements too. Not the same as someone testifying orally under pressure.


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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:47 PM

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I'm a bit suspisious that the OP has not come back to awnser questions about his story. After all he did say he could take the skepical heat.

I may be wrong perhaps he is busy or cant get to a computer.

But it's looking like he just threw this story against the UM wall to see if it would stick.

It seems to me that UM would be a good place to get some feedback on a report, let's say, if you were trying to tell the most believable story. With a little refinement and considering the criticism already given the OP's story could be better (ie more believable) if a few things were changed. That is if psyche is correct and this person is an author. If I were writing something similar, I would consider using UM as a criticism and editing tool, so to speak. I'm not saying that is the case here, but the thought did occur to me.

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