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Are there any videos that actually show the whole plane entering the building?

All I see are two videos the DOD released that show what appears to be a spear headed missile and about 10 frames cut out...

Seriously.

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There are videos available other than the two you mentioned that show an explosion occurring at the Pentagon, but to the best of my knowledge there are none which show a plane (that can be identified as such) striking the building.

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Are there any videos that actually show the whole plane entering the building?

All I see are two videos the DOD released that show what appears to be a spear headed missile and about 10 frames cut out...

Seriously.

The Pentagon security footage does appear to show a plane though it is a low quality image and difficult to see until you know where to look. Ignore the white trail which is actually smoke or fuel from the aircraft’s damaged engine/wing. Look in this video (it’s only a minute long) at what appears above the tree-line, circled in the close-up: -

That is a stabilizing fin or tail as found on large aircraft.

I know that the following eyewitness quotes are not video as you enquired about but it is evidence that supports the above security footage and plane impact into the building: -

  • “I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon.”
    Associated Press Radio reporter
  • “The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.”
    Tim Timmerman
  • “I glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building. I saw an indentation in the building and then it was just blown-up up—red, everything red”
    Carla Thompson
  • “I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building,”
    Sean Boger
  • “It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion, I didn’t actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running.”
    Mike Dobbs
  • “And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building.”
    Penny Elgas
  • “I saw this very, very large passenger jet, ... It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico.”
    Terrance Kean
  • “I looked over and saw this big silver plane run into the side of the Pentagon”
    James Mosley

There are plenty of questions that need to be addressed of the 9/11 Pentagon incident but I do not believe that the occurrence of an airliner crash into the building is one of them.

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Yet several other cctv videos have never been released, the petrol station opposite/hotel just across the highway etc?

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Yet several other cctv videos have never been released, the petrol station opposite/hotel just across the highway etc?

Both of those tapes have now been released and show nothing useful.

Citgo gas station footage (seriously I wouldn’t waste 5 minutes of you life watching this): -

Doubletree hotel footage: -

There is unreleased and unconfirmed footage from Pentagon rooftop cameras and VDOT cameras monitoring the highway that the flight crossed before impact - that footage may be more interesting if it ever came out.

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Yeah i have seen those two, but there is other cctv angles that have not been made available from both of those locations, the hotel as a roof camera, and theres an outside cctv set up across the garage forecourt and it looks straight at the impact site, where are those videos?

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Yeah i have seen those two, but there is other cctv angles that have not been made available from both of those locations, the hotel as a roof camera, and theres an outside cctv set up across the garage forecourt and it looks straight at the impact site, where are those videos?

I can’t confirm the specific cameras that you mention but there is certainly a lot of unreleased footage under government custody or that has never been disclosed. I think the question to ask is “what is the identity of the plane?” not “was there a plane?” and I’m not sure how much any footage could realistically help with that. Still, I agree that every single piece of video footage should have been released to prevent all of the doubt and stop people wasting time on a wild-goose chase.

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Yeah i have seen those two, but there is other cctv angles that have not been made available from both of those locations, the hotel as a roof camera, and theres an outside cctv set up across the garage forecourt and it looks straight at the impact site, where are those videos?

Good question. Personally, although I know Q24 disagrees (we've sparred on this issue before), I think that Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) and Pilots for 9/11 Truth (PFT) have done awesome jobs explaining what most likely happened; that the plane didn't crash into the pentagon. CIT goes further than PFT and explains their belief that the plane flew over the pentagon. Both sites have numerous videos on the subject. Here's CIT's 2 sites, complete with videos on them:

http://www.thepentacon.com/

http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/

Here's their latest video:

http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html

Here's my personal favourite video from them:

http://www.thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm

Here's quotes I transcribed from that video:

http://scott3x.tripod.com/transcripts/eye/

Here's PFT's page on the pentagon:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

Here's a good film on the subject from them:

Pandora's Black Box - Flight Of American 77

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So are you saying it's not the plane we are led to believe, or is it a more sinister theory you are pushing?

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Honestly, that object is beginning to look more and more like a car to me. "low and level" indeed. Rob Balsamo, a seasoned pilot and pilot trainer, has shown through aeronautical calculations in one of his videos that if it -were- a plane, it would have had to have made a sharp dive and then made an impossible pull up. The NTSB data would have made the pull up off the charts, but even shallower dives wouldn't have been possible for a 757. Recently, someone who disagrees with PFT/CIT came up with a diagram that would seem to overcome this, but Rob knocked it down pretty quick, pointing out something that's so clear that it even shows up in the diagram. Craig Ranke of CIT offers more evidence against such a scenario shortly thereafter.

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So are you saying it's not the plane we are led to believe, or is it a more sinister theory you are pushing?

I simply say that there is insufficient evidence to demonstrate the plane which impacted the Pentagon was Flight 77.

Scott says that the plane did not hit the Pentagon at all but performed a flyover. To follow this theory we must believe that dozens of eyewitnesses were fooled and/or lying, explosives were planted in the building or a missile launched to imitate a crash scene, the light poles that were knocked down and other damage on the approach path were staged by undercover agents in broad daylight, the Pentagon security footage that we have previously seen is faked and the perpetrators ran the risk of this operation instead of simply using a plane as confirmed at the WTC site for who knows what reason.

This sort of theory takes a lot of time away from more pertinent discussion regarding 9/11.

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So are you saying it's not the plane we are led to believe, or is it a more sinister theory you are pushing?

There is serious doubt as to what plane approached the pentagon. The real issue, however, is that all the evidence that I have found to be credible suggests that the plane didn't crash into the pentagon; it flew over it. Craig Ranke of CIT strongly believes there were no missiles involved, which leaves only one possibility for most people; explosives placed within the building. There is a lot of evidence that this is exactly what happened, as can be seen from this post that I made.

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I simply say that there is insufficient evidence to demonstrate the plane which impacted the Pentagon was Flight 77.

Scott says that the plane did not hit the Pentagon at all but performed a flyover. To follow this theory we must believe that dozens of eyewitnesses were fooled and/or lying,

I disagree. Tell me, have you seen CIT's The Pentagon Flyover - How They Pulled It Off? I just finished watching it. It shows how very few people had a view that would have permitted them to have seen the plane fly away, and it also makes it clear that the 911 calls that were made remain sequestered, making it impossible to tell if such witnesses did actually see a plane leaving. Most importantly, however, is the fact that the North of Citgo flight path is irreconcilable with the plane crashing into the pentagon; both the light pole damage and the damage trajectory within the pentagon superficially fit a south of citgo flight path, but they simply can't be made to match up to a plane hitting the pentagon from a north of citgo flight path.

explosives were planted in the building or a missile launched to imitate a crash scene, the light poles that were knocked down and other damage on the approach path were staged by undercover agents in broad daylight, the Pentagon security footage that we have previously seen is faked and the perpetrators ran the risk of this operation instead of simply using a plane as confirmed at the WTC site for who knows what reason.

CIT explores some possible motives in the the above linked video.

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The Pentagon security footage does appear to show a plane though it is a low quality image and difficult to see until you know where to look. Ignore the white trail which is actually smoke or fuel from the aircraft’s damaged engine/wing. Look in this video (it’s only a minute long) at what appears above the tree-line, circled in the close-up: -

That is a stabilizing fin or tail as found on large aircraft.

I know that the following eyewitness quotes are not video as you enquired about but it is evidence that supports the above security footage and plane impact into the building: -

  • “I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon.”
    Associated Press Radio reporter
  • “The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.”
    Tim Timmerman
  • “I glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building. I saw an indentation in the building and then it was just blown-up up—red, everything red”
    Carla Thompson
  • “I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building,”
    Sean Boger
  • “It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion, I didn’t actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running.”
    Mike Dobbs
  • “And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building.”
    Penny Elgas
  • “I saw this very, very large passenger jet, ... It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico.”
    Terrance Kean
  • “I looked over and saw this big silver plane run into the side of the Pentagon”
    James Mosley

There are plenty of questions that need to be addressed of the 9/11 Pentagon incident but I do not believe that the occurrence of an airliner crash into the building is one of them.

Who are these witnesses? Are they pentagon employees?

Second, the "plane" looked more like a drone. That was my first reaction when I see the size of the craft in conjunction with the building. I most definetly could be wrong though.

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Who are these witnesses? Are they pentagon employees?

Second, the "plane" looked more like a drone. That was my first reaction when I see the size of the craft in conjunction with the building. I most definetly could be wrong though.

I believe Sean Boger and Mike Dobbs were Pentagon employees but the rest were just random eyewitnesses on the scene. Those I listed above are just a selection of people who saw the actual impact with the building. There are another 100+ eyewitnesses who saw the plane approach and/or impact.

Of all those witnesses, not one reported seeing a missile, I think one described what he thought was a small plane rather than commercial airliner and another one described again what he thought was Flight 77 over the Pentagon after the impact. All remaining accounts, i.e. 99% of them, are consistent with the official story that a commercial airliner approached and impacted the Pentagon.

The theory about the plane being a smaller drone type aircraft, I don’t see any evidence for it (yet do see evidence for a large Boeing 757) or understand the point in unnecessarily risking using a drone rather than the aircraft type that it was supposed to be.

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To be honest we will probably never know, this gets filed away with the JFK shooting etc ;)

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I believe Sean Boger and Mike Dobbs were Pentagon employees but the rest were just random eyewitnesses on the scene. Those I listed above are just a selection of people who saw the actual impact with the building. There are another 100+ eyewitnesses who saw the plane approach and/or impact.

Of all those witnesses, not one reported seeing a missile, I think one described what he thought was a small plane rather than commercial airliner and another one described again what he thought was Flight 77 over the Pentagon after the impact. All remaining accounts, i.e. 99% of them, are consistent with the official story that a commercial airliner approached and impacted the Pentagon.

The theory about the plane being a smaller drone type aircraft, I don’t see any evidence for it (yet do see evidence for a large Boeing 757) or understand the point in unnecessarily risking using a drone rather than the aircraft type that it was supposed to be.

mrbojangles from 911oz.com saw your post and commented:

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CIT addressed this "100 witnesses" claim long ago:

Witnesses List Broken Down, No such thing as 104 "impact" witnesses

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=82&view=getnewpost

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10632

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17852&view=findpost&p=10775400

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To be honest we will probably never know, this gets filed away with the JFK shooting etc ;)

OR we already know and people will choose not to believe it.

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OR we already know and people will choose not to believe it.

I think it's more the case that some people know, and some people suspect, but many still don't know or even suspect. I think that making sure that things like 9/11 don't happen again entails that the public at large understands what truly happened that day.

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nevermind that X amount of the 19 supposed hijackers are 'still alive' expressing amazement at how their IDENTITIES were stolen and used (hmm.. who's been caught doing this again recently?)

sleep well.

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nevermind that X amount of the 19 supposed hijackers are 'still alive' expressing amazement at how their IDENTITIES were stolen and used (hmm.. who's been caught doing this again recently?)

sleep well.

Wow, this one is still getting thrown around?

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Hmmm... what happened to all those people on-board flight 77 if they didn't die crashing into the Pentagon?

The plane never existed? Or they never boarded the plane? Or they were taken to a secret location forever?

Ok, whatever.

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Hmmm... what happened to all those people on-board flight 77 if they didn't die crashing into the Pentagon?

The plane never existed? Or they never boarded the plane? Or they were taken to a secret location forever?

Ok, whatever.

Also, what happened to the plane itself? Are we supposed to believe, on top of making a HY-UGE assumption that all the victims just up and poofed into thin air, that three different airlines just donated their multi-million dollar aircraft to help the Bad Guys kill 3,000 Americans?

Brilliant.

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Operation Northwoods: -

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba.
The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA propriety organization in the Miami area.
At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases.
The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.
From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status.
The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a “MAY DAY” message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to “sell” the incident.

Hmmm... what happened to all those people on-board flight 77 if they didn't die crashing into the Pentagon?

The plane never existed? Or they never boarded the plane? Or they were taken to a secret location forever?

Ok, whatever.

You would have fallen for above staged attack hook, line and sinker… but whatever.

Also, what happened to the plane itself? Are we supposed to believe, on top of making a HY-UGE assumption that all the victims just up and poofed into thin air, that three different airlines just donated their multi-million dollar aircraft to help the Bad Guys kill 3,000 Americans?

Brilliant.

You would have fallen for the above staged attack hook, line and sinker… brilliant.

How about you pair provide some evidence that the aircraft was Flight 77 and the passengers were ever at the Pentagon. If you have that sort of information then you had better let the FBI and NTSB know about it also. At present FOIA responses from those authorities have shown that no such records exist.

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Wow.

Are you seriously suggesting that the crew and passengers on this list never existed?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/12/victim-capsule-flight77.htm

Try telling that to their families.

And PLEASE, do cite an OFFICIAL reference that says the FBI or NTSB does not recognize their deaths on Flight 77.

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