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#721    Abramelin

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:21 PM

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TREASURE hunters will get a multi-million-pound windfall from the bequest of an amateur archaeologist.

By TIM SPANTON, 12 Mar 2011




The money may be used to finance expeditions to recover fabulous riches including King John's crown jewels, Spanish Armada gold bullion and Britain's own Atlantis - Doggerland.

Honor Frost, who died last year aged 92, left her entire art collection to be used to fund archaeological expeditions, it emerged this week.

The works include long-unseen masterpieces by artists Lucien Freud, Stanley Spencer and sculptor Henry Moore. They are expected to fetch up to £18million when they go under the hammer at Sotheby's in June. Honor, an only child, was orphaned young and brought up by a rich London solicitor.

She developed a passion for marine archaeology after reading about underwater explorer Jacques Cousteau and later working with a member of his team.

The millions raised from the auction will go to a specially formed charity that will sponsor expeditions. For the first time it will allow sustained, professional digs for treasures that, until now, have proved too difficult to find.

Our map charts some of the fabulous finds that could now be within reach.

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DOGGERLAND

THIS once-occupied land mass is Britain's very own Atlantis. Sited in the North Sea, it was obliterated by flooding at the end of the last Ice Age.

Oil company surveys have recently revealed its possible locations and archaeologists lick their lips at the thought of historic artefacts that lie there. It is hard to get at because of centuries of silting and the stormy seas.

VALUE: £5million to £12million.



http://www.thesun.co...g-for-gold.html


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Posted 22 August 2011 - 12:46 AM

I do believe you're allowed to say: "A-HEM!"


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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:50 AM

View Posttomaasbark, on 22 August 2011 - 01:30 AM, said:

I wonder if the Irish, Welsh, Scottish legend of the drowned land. come. I remember reading recently that the myth of Hy Brasil could be a piece of land thats on the part of SW Ireland. and sat on the view in Europe, because it would be, shows that the inhabitants of the area as well.

There's a whole thread on UM about Hy Brasil:

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=198231

But Hy Brasil was just a tiny island if it was ever really above sea level (located on the Porcupine Seabight).


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Edited by Abramelin, 22 August 2011 - 11:51 AM.


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 06:14 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 October 2009 - 09:14 PM, said:

There are two Welsh legends:



Both fall under the chapter "legend" as there is no evidence for either.


Llys Helig is my local flood story/legend - More information can be found @
http://gaizy.hubpage...m-of-Llys-Helig


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 06:25 PM

View Postgaizy, on 05 September 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Llys Helig is my local flood story/legend - More information can be found @
http://gaizy.hubpage...m-of-Llys-Helig

Hi Gaizy, and welcome to UM!

Maybe your post fits better in this thread:


http://www.unexplain...howtopic=190182


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Posted 10 September 2011 - 01:33 AM

Seems TOTALLY plausible.

http://www.catholic....ry.php?id=42047

Given the nature of the Enuma Elish (how big were the Annunaki on the Sumerian seals?) and its later transcriptions into the 'Old Testament'

http://www.bible-tru....com/adv63.html


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Posted 11 September 2011 - 01:16 PM

An interesting "What If" theory about Doggerland:

If Doggerland Had Not Drowned


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 07:02 PM

What could have triggered the Storegga Slide that resulted in a mega-tsunami that flooded Doggerland, 6145 BC?

It could just have been the instability of the submarine area (the size of Iceland) made up of sediment and ammonia-hydrate ( a layer 3 kilometers high...), or the slide got triggered by some other event like an earthquake, an impact of a comet (see earlier in this thread) or a volcano (like one in Iceland).



Öraefajökull

Stratovolcano Southeastern Iceland
http://www.volcano.s...m?vnum=1704-01=

http://www.volcano.s...01=Öraefajökull

http://www.geologi.n...s_1_2010_OK.pdf

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>> http://www.ijsland.o...d/vul_namen.asp


http://williamsticke...orfajokull.html

This stratovolcano is the largest in Iceland and located at its south-eastern coast.

I have no data about when it erupted in prehistory, during Holocene times, only 2 dates from centuries ago.

Cormac?

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Edited by Abramelin, 13 September 2011 - 07:37 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 07:38 PM

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I have no data about when it erupted in prehistory, during Holocene times, only 2 dates from centuries ago.

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Don't know that I can help much Abramelin. I'm only aware of the 2 times, 1326 and 1727/1728. Although Hekle erupted c.800 BC and was larger than the large eruption of 1326 AD.

Öraefajökull

For a list of of volcanic eruptions in Iceland and proximity see the following:

Volcanoes of Iceland and the Arctic Ocean

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 07:45 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 13 September 2011 - 07:38 PM, said:

Don't know that I can help much Abramelin. I'm only aware of the 2 times, 1326 and 1727/1728. Although Hekle erupted c.800 BC and was larger than the large eruption of 1326 AD.

Öraefajökull

For a list of of volcanic eruptions in Iceland and proximity see the following:

Volcanoes of Iceland and the Arctic Ocean

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Your last link I also used in my former post.

And yes, I know of those 2 dates: 1362 and in 1727 AD.

But they say this volcano erupted in prehistoric times, during the Holocene.

Yeah, I know, the Holocene is a geological time period that lasts until this very day.

But from what I learned, this strato-volcano erupted many thousands of years ago.

Well, it was just a shot in the dark.

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I had to think of this volcano because it is at the south eastern coast of Iceland, and if it did erupt catastrophically many thousands of years ago, it could have caused a tsunami by itself, triggering the Storegga Slide, and so on, and so on.

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Edited by Abramelin, 13 September 2011 - 08:03 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:04 PM

Always wait for my many edits, please.

To anyone wanting to respond to my posts: wait for half an hour, LOL.

I think slowly and I make many typos.

And my memory cells are fighting ethanol molecules to the death.

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Oh god, I see Cormac is already sweating like a pig to post a reply, and he didn't even see my edits!!


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Edited by Abramelin, 13 September 2011 - 08:09 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:18 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 13 September 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:

Your last link I also used in my former post.

And yes, I know of those 2 dates: 1362 and in 1727 AD.

But they say this volcano erupted in prehistoric times, during the Holocene.

Yeah, I know, the Holocene is a geological time period that lasts until this very day.

But from what I learned, this strato-volcano erupted many thousands of years ago.

Well, it was just a shot in the dark.

Considering how many there actually are in Iceland, I'd imagine separating evidence for each would be rather difficult. Amongst the list of eruptions in Iceland very few are of a VEI of 5 or greater. 3 for Hekla and 1 for Grimsvotn c.2310 BC ± 20 years; 4110 BC ± 100 years; 5150 BC (?) and 8230 BC ± 50 years respectively. Sadly, nothing significant shows up around the time of the Storegga Slide. The closest thing we have AFAIK is the collapse of Glacial Lake Agassiz-Ojibway c.6470 BC.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:22 PM

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Oh god, I see Cormac is already sweating like a pig to post a reply, and he didn't even see my edits!!

Not hardly. :P

And a VEI 4 or less eruption is not likely IMO to be large enough to trigger much of anything from c.500 miles away.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:27 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 13 September 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

What could have triggered the Storegga Slide that resulted in a mega-tsunami that flooded Doggerland, 6145 BC?

It could just have been the instability of the submarine area (the size of Iceland) made up of sediment and ammonia-hydrate ( a layer 3 kilometers high...), or the slide got triggered by some other event like an earthquake, an impact of a comet (see earlier in this thread) or a volcano (like one in Iceland).



Öraefajökull

Stratovolcano Southeastern Iceland
http://www.volcano.s...m?vnum=1704-01=

http://www.volcano.s...01=Öraefajökull

http://www.geologi.n...s_1_2010_OK.pdf

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>> http://www.ijsland.o...d/vul_namen.asp


http://williamsticke...orfajokull.html

This stratovolcano is the largest in Iceland and located at its south-eastern coast.

I have no data about when it erupted in prehistory, during Holocene times, only 2 dates from centuries ago.

Cormac?

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Abe - You may wish to compare the Storrega date to the following. Relevant info in the lower section. It would appear that there were Icelandic eruptions that bracket the circa 6145 BC date, but none that are closely associated.

http://www.volcano.s...geeruptions.cfm

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:37 PM

View PostSwede, on 13 September 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

Abe - You may wish to compare the Storrega date to the following. Relevant info in the lower section. It would appear that there were Icelandic eruptions that bracket the circa 6145 BC date, but none that are closely associated.

http://www.volcano.s...geeruptions.cfm

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Thanks, Swede.

NONE of those dates are close or even centuries apart, jeesh.

I guess no one knows what this volcano did around 6100 BC.





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