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#1    behaviour???

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:26 AM

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In what looks to be another sign the Arctic is heating up quickly, British explorers in Canada's Far North reported on Tuesday that they had been hit by a three-minute rain shower over the weekend.

The rain fell on the team's ice base off Ellef Rignes island, about 3,900 km (2,420 miles) north of the Canadian capital Ottawa.

"It's definitely a shocker ... the general feeling within the polar community is that rainfall in the high Canadian Arctic in April is a freak event," said Pen Hadow, the team's expedition director.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:19 PM

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When does a freak event stop been freaky ?

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 04:04 AM

So, it snowed in Houston for the first time in November in recorded history. In fact, it has snowed in Houston more over the last five years than I can remember is the past 40 years.  

You are so quick to jump at a chance to say its AGW without even looking at another cause.  It would be funny if it wasn't such a great indication of how screwed up science has become.  It's not even science.  It's pinning the tail on the donkey.


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Posted 29 April 2010 - 05:50 AM

View PostAstute One, on 29 April 2010 - 04:04 AM, said:

So, it snowed in Houston for the first time in November in recorded history. In fact, it has snowed in Houston more over the last five years than I can remember is the past 40 years.  

You are so quick to jump at a chance to say its AGW without even looking at another cause.  It would be funny if it wasn't such a great indication of how screwed up science has become.  It's not even science.  It's pinning the tail on the donkey.


problem is they dont have the tail or the donkey

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 05:56 AM

Oh this is just localised warming. Not a global indicator at all.....

What it doesn't work both ways?  :innocent:


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Posted 29 April 2010 - 06:59 AM

View PostProfessor GlenBoy, on 29 April 2010 - 05:56 AM, said:

Oh this is just localised warming. Not a global indicator at all.....

What it doesn't work both ways?  :innocent:

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:55 AM

View PostFrom 29 April 2010 - 06:59 AM:

Oh this is just localised warming. Not a global indicator at all.....

What it doesn't work both ways? :innocent:
Climate change, understand - climate changes not just warms. Locally can be either way.
I know its a bit complex, but lets try to get our heads round it.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 08:02 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 29 April 2010 - 07:55 AM, said:

Climate change, understand - climate changes not just warms. Locally can be either way.
I know its a bit complex, but lets try to get our heads round it.

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I know the name was changed, but if you do a little bit of reasearch the key premise of "climate change" is the greenhouse effect which will cause overwhelming warming, My link


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Posted 29 April 2010 - 08:28 AM

View PostProfessor GlenBoy, on 29 April 2010 - 08:02 AM, said:

I know the name was changed, but if you do a little bit of reasearch the key premise of "climate change" is the greenhouse effect which will cause overwhelming warming, My link
The planet is a complex "system" with multiple interrelated energy conveyors. I keep repeating it, because its the most obvious example, the gulf stream brings warm water from the tropic to the North of the Atlantic. Increasing Ice water melt due to general warming is creating a dense block of cold fresh water in the north Atlantic which is resisting the flow of the warm tropical waters. The gulf stream has diminished by at least 10% as a consequence of climate change. This has two effects - the Gulf of Mexico is getting slightly warmer (localised warming) because it cannot move its heat load away, and the North Atlantic is getting colder because it is not receiving the warm tropical waters(local cooling). The two are one in the same process, and yet create completely different results in different parts of the globe.

A similar process is happening down in the Antarctic where warm moisture laden air is been stopped by the high antarctic mountains and dropping more snow, hence the internal ice cap (not the sea ice which is shrinking) is actual growing as a consequence of more heat been transported down to the pole. Doen't seem right that heating can create more snow does it - but its true and a direct consequence of the whole planetary system having to cope with more trapped heat.

These are both counter intuitive consequences of general warming, but the principles governing them are entirely logical and inevitable.
  
You can try to dress this up as much as you like but putting more energy into a complex thermodynamic system will produce unprecictable results - not just across the board warming. This is where you have to want to try to grasp the systems dynamics behind the bare headlines - which only try to tell simple stories for simple people. Don't be a simple person, grasp the complexity and try to understand what is going on.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 09:09 PM

Notice how the whole global warming hysteria has all but vanished...lol


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Posted 29 April 2010 - 09:19 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 29 April 2010 - 07:55 AM, said:

Climate change, understand - climate changes not just warms. Locally can be either way.
I know its a bit complex, but lets try to get our heads round it.

Br Cornelius

   Yes, I'm drowning in the complex sea of knowledge you're bringing to the table here. Definitely...now anyway, why did it start out as global warming then?

   Yes, I realize everything to do with unpredictability etc. But, the scientists who you're relying on were saying, not long ago at all, that global warming was the problem. Now, of course, it's "climate change"

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 09:23 PM

http://www.unexplain...1

Of course it's never been this warm before. :rolleyes:


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Posted 29 April 2010 - 10:01 PM

Im curious about the temperature up there. Is it freezing rain? I can imagine ice darts....yikes

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 04:50 PM

View PostSpiderCyde, on 29 April 2010 - 09:09 PM, said:

Notice how the whole global warming hysteria has all but vanished...lol
You mean apart from in the scientific community, the people who actually study these things.

Edited by Mattshark, 01 May 2010 - 04:51 PM.

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 04:51 PM

View PostMichelle, on 29 April 2010 - 09:23 PM, said:

http://www.unexplain...1

Of course it's never been this warm before. :rolleyes:
That is really relevant or the point is it. No, didn't think so :rolleyes:

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