Eight British servicemen claim they were "forcibly escorted into Iranian territorial waters" before being taken captive, the British defence secretary has said. Geoff Hoon said the six Royal Marines, and two Royal Navy sailors, maintained they had been operating in Iraq's waters and had not strayed into Iran's.
The servicemen were held for three days sparking a stand-off with Britain.
In a statement released by the Ministry of Defence, Mr Hoon said the MoD was looking into the servicemen's claim.
The men were equipped with GPS at the time of capture, making the original story of them getting lost less likely. The navigation equipment has yet to be returned by the Iranians.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3854921.stm
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Royal Navy Eight Were 'Snatched'
Crews claim they were in Iraqi waters
Started by Cufflink , Jul 01 2004 12:07 AM
Started by Cufflink , Jul 01 2004 12:07 AM
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 12:07 AM
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 01:13 AM
Ok... Didn't the US and the UK SAVE these people from being taken over by Iraq?
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 01:53 AM
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| The men were equipped with GPS at the time of capture, making the original story of them getting lost less likely. The navigation equipment has yet to be returned by the Iranians. |
I doubt they will ever see that again
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 04:16 AM
I believe it...sounds more like it. Wonder what the equipment will reveal? I also think they were hard on those men; they looked scared.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 08:29 AM
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| Ok... Didn't the US and the UK SAVE these people from being taken over by Iraq? |
Er, no we didn't.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 12:05 PM
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Er, no we didn't. |
Nope, I don't remember that, either.
We used to be good pals with the Shah, before the Islamic revolution, but that's about it.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 12:25 PM
| QUOTE (hunterkiller2001 @ Jun 30 2004, 06:13 PM) |
| Ok... Didn't the US and the UK SAVE these people from being taken over by Iraq? |
No I don't think that is the case. Maybe you are thinking of Kuwait?
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 06:11 PM
I would execute 
those men, if I were in Iran place.(Just kidding)
Ofcourse they were spying on Iran,Iran is next on the list by the way.
What kind of GPS they had? made in India or they could not read it properly.
those men, if I were in Iran place.(Just kidding)Ofcourse they were spying on Iran,Iran is next on the list by the way.
What kind of GPS they had? made in India or they could not read it properly.
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 06:30 PM
| QUOTE (Montclair @ Jul 3 2004, 07:11 PM) |
| I would execute those men, if I were in Iran place.(Just kidding) Ofcourse they were spying on Iran,Iran is next on the list by the way. What kind of GPS they had? made in India or they could not read it properly. |
Eh? What? Eh?
The men were Royal Navy personnel, not spies. If we'd wanted to spy, they'd have been SBS, or other special forces.
And the story is that they weren't in Iranian waters. It seems more likely that Iran was throwing it's weight around, snatching them from Iraqi water, just to show it still has a bit of clout.
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 07:13 PM
| QUOTE (Cufflink @ Jul 3 2004, 07:30 PM) | ||
Eh? What? Eh? The men were Royal Navy personnel, not spies. If we'd wanted to spy, they'd have been SBS, or other special forces. And the story is that they weren't in Iranian waters. It seems more likely that Iran was throwing it's weight around, snatching them from Iraqi water, just to show it still has a bit of clout. |
So you saying Royal Navy personell is so special as to never do anything against
international law?They are just mercenaries who kill for the money Man!
Of course they are also heroes because they defeated Evil Saddam Hussein absolutely the worst man in history, worst than the Hitler+Stalin combined.
Listen more to what your Queen and uncle T. Blair has to say about world pollitics and you are on the way to die for Royalty/oilbarons
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 08:06 PM
| QUOTE (Montclair @ Jul 3 2004, 08:13 PM) |
| So you saying Royal Navy personell is so special as to never do anything against international law?They are just mercenaries who kill for the money Man! Of course they are also heroes because they defeated Evil Saddam Hussein absolutely the worst man in history, worst than the Hitler+Stalin combined. Listen more to what your Queen and uncle T. Blair has to say about world pollitics and you are on the way to die for Royalty/oilbarons |
I've read some total bollocks on here in the past, but that has to be up there amongst the medals.
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 08:25 PM
| QUOTE (Cufflink @ Jul 3 2004, 09:06 PM) | ||
I've read some total bollocks on here in the past, but that has to be up there amongst the medals. |
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 08:42 PM
| QUOTE (Montclair @ Jul 3 2004, 09:25 PM) |
| why? And check this. |
Ok.
Firstly, the article is not about the rights and wrongs of the war. It is about the seizing of three boats, and their crew of eight regular servicemen, in daytime, in another country's waters. If you want to discuss the war/Hitler/Stalin/ oil and god knows what else, there are plenty of topics more suited.
Secondly, when the UK wants to send soldiers spying, we send either SAS or SBS, in small craft, at night. We don't send regulars in broad daylight, towing boats behind them, for f*ck's sake.
Thirdly, the accusations have some credibility, with GPS systems, which could show where the men were, being held back by the Iranians. Even MP's from the UK's Lib Dem party, which was strongly anti-war from the start, are voicing their annoyance with Iran over this situation.
That's all this thread is about. Not the war in general.
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 08:52 PM
but they should be more carefull in the future,it is still war .and Iran is concerned that they will be soon attacked.
PS maybe Brits/US looking for pretext to launch a war on Iran?Tonking bay,Havana harbour,Lusitannia hmm.?
PS maybe Brits/US looking for pretext to launch a war on Iran?Tonking bay,Havana harbour,Lusitannia hmm.?
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Posted 04 July 2004 - 08:11 AM
| QUOTE (hunterkiller2001 @ Jul 1 2004, 02:13 AM) |
| Ok... Didn't the US and the UK SAVE these people from being taken over by Iraq? |
You need to read up your history mate, The US and the UK supplied IRAQ with arms and encouraged Saddam to go to war with Iran as Iran were seen as the troublemakers at the time with Khomeini at the helm.
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