Owned? How old are you again?
Anyway if you notice in those examples Seeker79 gave.. In the first link the writer says..
Now I'm not sure if that was meant to be man or mum/mom... but if it was a younger person(teenager whatever) giving thanks, to me its almost like a kid giving thanks to someone for telling them the tooth fairy isnt real and guiding them through that. (some might call that stealing childhood). I cant word it very well but you might understand what I'm getting at. (and I'm not saying astral nasties are not real.. I dont know for a fact either way and no one can).
Also they say........ "Not that it felt like a dream, I was completely aware". Well thats what a lucid dream is.......
In the second link not much is said.
In the third..
Also I think you're right, because of my sleep paralysis I really feel this will not take me long at all to project. I felt so close this morning and it's only my third time trying in a week!! I'm going to focus on recognising I'm dreaming and turning my dreams lucid, along with the wake up technique too.
So anotherwords they sound like they were lucid dreaming. If you expect to go out of body during a lucid dream it sets that wish into the mind which means the mind can create that scene. And it is very good at making scenes seem real. Anyway in this quote they are trying to OBE from lucid dream.
In the fourth link its the same again..
So pretty much the same again but then with this added.
Which is exactly what you can do in a lucid dream(how do they know they still wernt..). And later they say they asked for a spirit guide which sounds pretty much the same technique I suggested in this thread. You do it in that state(you call for one during a lucid dream).. I asked Seeker79 his technique on calling for a good spirit but was just given a link to astral projection forum(fobbed off kinda) even though the question is relevent to this thread. So the only difference imo is some call it astral travelling(OBE whatever)and others call it lucid dreaming. It seems if you lucid dream of your bedroom and see your body that counts as OBE.
And lastly the 5th link..
He admits that the young kid probably learned some of that from the tv. Which is what I think many people do in regards to Astral projection/OBE.. I think they either see shows on tv or read many books about it.... and then transfer that from a lucid dream into what they think is a seperate experience. Maybe not always and maybe there is a difference but I dunno.. I know I've had some strange experiences.
So basically in almost all of these examples they seem to be lucid dreaming and then trying to go out of body. And as I said if you try to do this during a lucid dream your mind will attempt to create this scene. So there is no way to tell if lucid dreaming and OBE is a different thing. These people here are admiting they are attempting to OBE during lucid dreams... So they are trying to OBE during REM sleep.........
And I understand this because I have done the same. I have gone lucid and then had what people would call out of body experiences. But there is no way to tell if they are not just a creation from an expectation from a lucid dream or just a lucid dream of the bedroom/house. If you expect to see your body/bedroom during a lucid dream you most likely will. But that doesnt mean imo that you are not lucid dreaming. So yeah, some will jazz it up and call it "spirit journeys(sounds mystical hey..) and others wont bother.
Anyway, so to me its more about the substance in the letters than the amount. And theres not much more to say. I hope this post wasnt off topic.. if it was I'll let you get back to your pwning and mirrors.
Edited by Kazahel, 29 October 2012 - 05:30 PM.