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[Imaginarynumber1]

Kazahel, on 06 December 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

That's not entirely true. I've said a few times now that I believe this can be done while in dreaming states(lucid dreaming/astral travelling etc). And I have given a very simple technique on how. Simply use your voice to vibrate a name while in a lucid dream.

Here is a quick quote taken from wiki. http://en.wikipedia....ki/Astral_plane


So imo if you wish to really communicate then its best to be in what is considered the right place.

And who has done that successfully on here? Anyone?

[Kazahel]

Imaginarynumber1, on 06 December 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

And who has done that successfully on here? Anyone?

Done what successfully? Do you mean successfully shared a technique that others have tried or do you mean successfully done myself?

I cant say really say myself if I was truly successful in sharing my technique, I guess thats up to others to decide. So if someone tries it, then I guess I successfully shared it.

But if you were asking if I had done this technique myself, then I believe I was successful when I came up with it(I hadnt read of anyone else doing it before). So to me it was something new.. invoking and evoking, I'm still not sure which it comes under. I was into ceremonial magick but I thought I might be able to basically take a short cut by trying basic summoning techniques during lucid dreaming. And I believe it worked quite well.

Just do a search under 'Ariel' with my name to find what I've posted about it. You could even do a search for 'mexican walking fish'.. or just mexican. Thats one I dont think you can find under Ariel.

But like I said a few pages ago, its hard to tell what is a separate entity.

[Seeker79]

Ambush Bug, on 29 November 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

When I said world forum I was talking not about a forum on the internet... I was speaking about international recognition and world reknown.

But yes, the spirit world is full of deceptions in order to (mis)lead people into falsehoods and lies. I truly believe Sakari is not achieving anything with this thread. Moot point.

Pfffft the physical world is the one full of lies and false hoods. The spirit world forces you to face deep truth particularly about yourself. I always find it interesting how sinister people take the spirit world without ever haveing taken the time to really explore the concept.

[Seeker79]

Imaginarynumber1, on 06 December 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

And who has done that successfully on here? Anyone?

Many times.

People are looking for physical spiritual entities. It's like trying to look for an emotion in a tool box.

Edited by Seeker79, 08 December 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[B Jenkins]

Seeker79, on 08 December 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

Pfffft the physical world is the one full of lies and false hoods. The spirit world forces you to face deep truth particularly about yourself. I always find it interesting how sinister people take the spirit world without ever haveing taken the time to really explore the concept.

Not according to me, the spirit world is full of illusions and conceits and dangers. No body has ever grasped it. No one has ever mastered it.

And what you have proposed in this thread may be nothing more than your HEART felt convictions that may have enough basis of truth as a two-legged bar stool.

It is just your rationalizing convictions presented in thread, are you rationalizing the spirit world and have never obtained any deeper truths. Just spewing out simple platitudes to your HEART'S content. EDIT: a la positive re-enforcement.

One wise piece of advice states, the heart is deceptive ABOVE all else and should not be trusted.

Just my .02 cents.

Edited by Ambush Bug, 11 December 2012 - 04:53 AM.

[MistyW]

Seeker79, on 08 December 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

Pfffft the physical world is the one full of lies and false hoods. The spirit world forces you to face deep truth particularly about yourself. I always find it interesting how sinister people take the spirit world without ever haveing taken the time to really explore the concept.

I agree, the spiritual world is not one to easily doubt when you have experienced it for yourself, seen what is there to be seen, spoken with the entities to be spoken with. Unlike the physical world, the spirit realm has truth. But similar to the physical realm, the spirit realm has dark entities as well. These dark entities might not necessarily be EVIL. It could be their intrinsic nature to be "dark" spirits..just like a spider devouring a pretty butterfly is not considered evil, because it needs to eat in order to survive. So it is the same with "dark" spirits. There is a big gap between the dark spirits and the truly what you call "evil" spirits.

[Seeker79]

Ambush Bug, on 11 December 2012 - 04:48 AM, said:

Not according to me, the spirit world is full of illusions and conceits and dangers. No body has ever grasped it. No one has ever mastered it.

And what you have proposed in this thread may be nothing more than your HEART felt convictions that may have enough basis of truth as a two-legged bar stool.

One wise piece of advice states, the heart is deceptive ABOVE all else and should not be trusted.

What dangers?

It has nothing to do with my heart. It has to do with actual experience while most of  the "danger" is nothing more than parroting from people that really are mostly obsessed with an abrahamic religion. It's easy to see why religions would create all these myths. I mean seriously. Why don't we aply a little logic here. If there is a creator god, why would he create a vast spirit realm and give us ( some of us) the ability to tune into it ony to populate it with all these "evil" monsters that can hurt us and lead us astray.

At least misty below has an ecology attatched to it.... This "deceptive evil" rhetoric, in my eyes, is nothing more than religous hand me downs.

[Seeker79]

MistyW, on 11 December 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

I agree, the spiritual world is not one to easily doubt when you have experienced it for yourself, seen what is there to be seen, spoken with the entities to be spoken with. Unlike the physical world, the spirit realm has truth. But similar to the physical realm, the spirit realm has dark entities as well. These dark entities might not necessarily be EVIL. It could be their intrinsic nature to be "dark" spirits..just like a spider devouring a pretty butterfly is not considered evil, because it needs to eat in order to survive. So it is the same with "dark" spirits. There is a big gap between the dark spirits and the truly what you call "evil" spirits.

Yes...an ecology. Perhaps. Or even opposed to humans, but not evil. Much like 2 opposing parties at war always calls the other evil.

Let's say there is a spiritual/multidimentional component to a virus. This virus infects humans. A shaman who can see such things and dosnt really know about the physical world component might see a virus as an evil spirit.

I'm not sure I believe in these big swooping NEGs misty. What does "dark" even mean in the spirit world. It seems more like lak of control to me. We carry with us an instinct to guess the lion in the grass. It's an animal instinct. Across the veil is a deep mysterious place wether one believes it to be actual deep reality or just deep inside of our minds. It's natural to attach a lot fear to the unknown. In my adventures, I have come to understand that any darkness I have encountered is my own. Once personal responsibility for negativity is taken, it goes away, and worlds of new experiences await. Carrying this constant fear is crippling for growth.

Anyway those are my thoughts. abrahamics think I'm deceived by the devil because that's what they are taught. To bad. A religion cannot have people that have a personal relationship with the great spirit with no church, book, or leader as a medium... It's really bad for business.  My ancestors (native Americans), in deed, everyone's ancestors have a along history of integrating the spirit world into their lives. Sure they believed in evil spirits, but the shaman of old considered them more like pests ( bugs...) than grand scheming evil. In that context, when Somone was Ill, it served them well. They would use plants and other methods to dispell the pest as best they could or lessen its damage on a person.

Much of their healing was also psychological. Quite a number of shamanic techniques have been adopted as modern psychotherapys under different names and contexts of course.

Edited by Seeker79, 11 December 2012 - 12:30 PM.

[Sakari]

Seeker79, on 11 December 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

This "deceptive evil" rhetoric, in my eyes, is nothing more than religous hand me downs.

        

[Coffey]

Still no success?


Would literally fall of my chair laughing if you did it and came on here begging for help. It would make my day. lol

[rapture]

Move to Old Louisville...plenty of demons, bed-bugs and sodomist.

[Sakari]

Coffey, on 11 December 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Still no success?


Would literally fall of my chair laughing if you did it and came on here begging for help. It would make my day. lol

Mine also.....

[B Jenkins]

Seeker79, on 11 December 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

What dangers?

It has nothing to do with my heart. It has to do with actual experience while most of  the "danger" is nothing more than parroting from people that really are mostly obsessed with an abrahamic religion. It's easy to see why religions would create all these myths. I mean seriously. Why don't we aply a little logic here. If there is a creator god, why would he create a vast spirit realm and give us ( some of us) the ability to tune into it ony to populate it with all these "evil" monsters that can hurt us and lead us astray.

At least misty below has an ecology attatched to it.... This "deceptive evil" rhetoric, in my eyes, is nothing more than religous hand me downs.

The dangers of being misled into false beliefs, believing in something that is not only false but dangerous. Believing in spiritual matters that are intentionally leading you down the wrong path, encouraging and giving you a false impression all is well. But it is not, it is opening doors and one is becoming a medium or a conductor or conduit (collect the all eggs in one basket, deceiving and being deceived). The reason, to mislead people away from genuine spiritual truth and their salvation and get them absorbed into quackery and silliness... into New Age self realization and neo-shamanism.

How do we know it is God that gives people the ability to tune into this vast spiritual realm (if they indeed tune into this vast spiritual realm)? And furthermore, what evidence can you present that you yourself can tune into this vast spiritual realm?

You claim there is no such things as demons or evil entities, how do we know you even tuned into the spiritual realm or even contacted spirits? For all we know, you could be self-delusional if not a self invention of your public image?

Now just bear with me a moment if your are the former than maybe you should see a doctor but if you are the latter than you are a most dishonest human being the perfect instrument to be used by evil entities to put naive gullible people who are seeking self re-enforcement, New Age self realization, and positive thinking under your thrall (and their's *the evil entities* because they are using you to perform their will in order to deceive others.)

[Seeker79]

Ambush Bug, on 11 December 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

The dangers of being misled into false beliefs, believing in something that is not only false but dangerous. Believing in spiritual matters that are intentionally leading you down the wrong path, encouraging and giving you a false impression all is well. But it is not, it is opening doors and one is becoming a medium or a conductor or conduit (collect the all eggs in one basket, deceiving and being deceived). The reason, to mislead people away from genuine spiritual truth and their salvation and get them absorbed into quackery and silliness... into New Age self realization and neo-shamanism.

How do we know it is God that gives people the ability to tune into this vast spiritual realm (if they indeed tune into this vast spiritual realm)? And furthermore, what evidence can you present that you yourself can tune into this vast spiritual realm?

You claim there is no such things as demons or evil entities, how do we know you even tuned into the spiritual realm or even contacted spirits? For all we know, you could be self-delusional if not a self invention of your public image?

Now just bear with me a moment if your are the former than maybe you should see a doctor but if you are the latter than you are a most dishonest human being the perfect instrument to be used by evil entities to put naive gullible people who are seeking self re-enforcement, New Age self realization, and positive thinking under your thrall (and their's *the evil entities* because they are using you to perform their will in order to deceive others.)

Hogwash. Ambush, seriously. Im neither dishonest, nor insane. I can understand why people would think either. But the journey has been apart of my life for quite sometime now. The tradition extends far beyond abrahamic religions. Long long before they were even around. It's quite difficult for me to take middle eastern mythology seriously other than extensions of their own lore. It's about as real to me as Greek mythology.

By what criteria, do you judge the "wrong path". What experience do you have with it?  Here why don't you see for yourself, and once again I invite anyone willing to try to step out if their box. I'll be right here to help if I can my pals the "evil" entities and all.
My tutorial is the second post
http://www.unexplain...pic=219629&st=0

Edited by Seeker79, 12 December 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[XingWi]

Ambush Bug, on 11 December 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

The dangers of being misled into false beliefs, believing in something that is not only false but dangerous. Believing in spiritual matters that are intentionally leading you down the wrong path, encouraging and giving you a false impression all is well. But it is not, it is opening doors and one is becoming a medium or a conductor or conduit (collect the all eggs in one basket, deceiving and being deceived). The reason, to mislead people away from genuine spiritual truth and their salvation and get them absorbed into quackery and silliness... into New Age self realization and neo-shamanism.

How do we know it is God that gives people the ability to tune into this vast spiritual realm (if they indeed tune into this vast spiritual realm)? And furthermore, what evidence can you present that you yourself can tune into this vast spiritual realm?

You claim there is no such things as demons or evil entities, how do we know you even tuned into the spiritual realm or even contacted spirits? For all we know, you could be self-delusional if not a self invention of your public image?

Now just bear with me a moment if your are the former than maybe you should see a doctor but if you are the latter than you are a most dishonest human being the perfect instrument to be used by evil entities to put naive gullible people who are seeking self re-enforcement, New Age self realization, and positive thinking under your thrall (and their's *the evil entities* because they are using you to perform their will in order to deceive others.)

Ambush Bug, I think you are overkilling it. This discussion was ended long time back.

Seeker agrees to the the possibility that demons exist and that he may have been decieved by them and agrees that he doesn't have any proof that demons and evil spirits don't exist.

He confessed to this in this very thread:

Seeker79, on 22 October 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

I do not have full knowledge of the great mystery all I can do is call it how I see it. Might some demon have pulled the wool over my eyes... maybe. Might they be hideing from me... Maybe. Somehow I doubt it. And yes it's just an opinion.

Seeker79, on 24 October 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

im sorry I don't have any proof demons and evil spirits don't exist

He accepts the possibility that his beliefs may be wrong. What's left to argue after that? Are you seeking to make him admit that his beliefs are wrong and yours are right? Then that's not happening.

The clash between Transcendental Monotheism and Paganism/Polytheism/Pantheism is not new.  Transcendental Monotheism and the idea of a spiritual evil is not limited to Abrahamic religions or "Middle Eastern Mythologies". It was there in many other societies throughout history. It's illogical to assume that throughout the history of mankind no one ever believed in the trasncendental God and a spiritual evil and that they came up with this idea only a few thousand years back. Moreover it is self-contradictory to claim at one hand that the belief in demons is "primitive" and "guessing a lion in the grass" and then to claim that the idea was invented in the middle east only a few thousand years back.

Let others assume that they are a part of God and that demons are a part of those who differ from them. It's not going to change anything. To each his own beliefs.

This debate has been going on for thousands of years. And it will go on. A few posts in a thread on the internet is not going to change anything. Lets acknowledge that everyone is entitled to his beliefs and move on.