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[theSOURCE]

Sakari, on 05 May 2010 - 12:37 AM, said:

Back to my original question......Someone let me know...

You want an evil spirit in your house? I can help you.

But it will cost you your very soul!

Well, not your soul (if such a thing even exists). But it will cost you a plane tick to and from your city, plus cab fair to your home, some very nice meals, maybe a few beers, and a nice bed to crash on. Oh, and pay-per-view would be a plus while I'm there too.

Did I forget to mention I'm the evil spirit who'll be visiting you?

Well, I can be EEE-vil, Bruhahahaha! And people do say that I'm a spirited kind of guy.

Oops, there goes the seriousness of this thread.

Seriously, if you want evil spirits in your home then become clinically depressed. You'll not only start to see them, you'll also start to condemn some deity that you don't even believe in for having cursed you with them.

And I'm not joking about that either.

Edited by Kroe, 05 May 2010 - 01:21 AM.

[Cybele]

Kroe, on 05 May 2010 - 01:19 AM, said:

Seriously, if you want evil spirits in your home then become clinically depressed.

Schizophrenia would work better.

[theSOURCE]

Cybele, on 05 May 2010 - 01:26 AM, said:

Schizophrenia would work better.

Agreed.

Or, just be really, really religious and not question your faith in the slightest. I've known people who see the work of evil spirits in which way the wind blows.

Seriously.   

[Kazahel]

Sakari, on 05 May 2010 - 01:12 AM, said:

Exactly...

soooo...Any takers yet?

From what I remember the complicated rituals are to basically open your astral senses so that you can see the entities with your astral eyes. So they say to do complicated rituals inorder to summon certain entities because some apparently need certain things to be done to call whatever spirt your after(like using sigils which are the spirits names)and also to help to make you feel protected from these entities. So they tend to suggest to do rituals like the LBRP and things like this to not only help open your eyes(your scrying eyes) but also to make you feel protected once the summoning is over. So the complicated rituals are imo to get you good at scrying with your eyes open. They then believe that if you get good enough you can then evoke the spirit onto the physical plane by finding it first in the astral and then bringing it back with you(or something like that)and they tend to use smoke from incense to help the spirit have something to form with. So they might call the spirit into the triangle of the arts to keep it contained and with smoke it can use that to form itself(from what I remember anyway).

Personally I think the best way is to skip all this and to get good at lucid dreaming because you dont need to then do these complicated rituals inorder to open your astral eyes because you are already there. So it might not be what your after because summoning to the physical plane apparently is the hardest thing to do but if you want to summon to the astral plane then skip the rituals and use sigils or your voice to basically call them into your dreaming. When you are dreaming you can basically draw a sigil and it will float in the air and stay so you dont have to visualize it like in the physical because its just there so its much easier. Best of all though is to just use your voice and you call with what they call a vibrating voice where you vibrate the name of the spirit and just wait. So say you want to summon the angel Michael you say Mi-cha-el "Mee-kaaaa-elllll" (kinda like that)and use your whole breath to say the name.

Then you wait and from what I've found you dont have to wait very long at all.. like seconds because you are already there. Of course people will just say that you are simply dreaming and that its just your mind making it up(which is fair enough)but when you actually feel the presence(not just see it) you tend to believe it.

When I did it years ago I was brave when I started because I didnt bother with LBRP or things like this because it takes too long when you are dreaming because you only get a small window while dreaming. But when I came face to face with what I summoned I was basically speachless because it scared me so much. Which is why the only angel experiences I tend to believe are those they say they were very afraid when they met them.

So anyway you can try to summon onto the physical plane but its the hardest to do apparently because they dont have a form which is why they tend to use smoke to form in..incense..(from what I remember reading)but if you summon using your astral eyes imo skip the rituals and just do it in dreaming because its quicker and less complicated and much more effective.

*I should also add that my technique is I think a mixture of evocation and invocation which can maybe be hazardous because when I did it I actually spoke using their voice which was like speaking with 1000 voices all at once. Which is why I didnt talk much.

Edited by Kazahel, 05 May 2010 - 02:01 AM.

[Cybele]

Kazahel, on 05 May 2010 - 01:54 AM, said:

They then believe that if you get good enough you can then evoke the spirit onto the physical plane by finding it first in the astral and then bringing it back with you(or something like that)and they tend to use smoke from incense to help the spirit have something to form with. So they might call the spirit into the triangle of the arts to keep it contained and with smoke it can use that to form itself(from what I remember anyway).

I've heard this. Others say that all you need to do in order to achieve a physical manifestation is to follow the instructions of the grimoire perfectly, which would of course be very hard.

Kazahel, on 05 May 2010 - 01:54 AM, said:

Personally I think the best way is to skip all this and to get good at lucid dreaming because you dont need to then do these complicated rituals inorder to open your astral eyes because you are already there.

How does one get good at lucid dreaming? I have a hard enough time achieving that state. When I do I can never control my dream at all.

Edited by Cybele, 05 May 2010 - 02:20 AM.

[Kazahel]

Cybele, on 05 May 2010 - 02:20 AM, said:

How does one get good at lucid dreaming? I have a hard enough time achieving that state. When I do I can never control my dream at all.

Constant reality testing during the waking hours I think is the best way but you must do it all the time and make it a habit. So right now you could be dreaming and you have to assume that you might be(and that you dont just know' so you test your reality and when you do that lots and lots during the day you then test your reality by habit during the dreaming.

So basically ask the question "Am I dreaming" as many times during the day as possible and then test reality by maybe reading something and then looking at something else briefly, then reading the same thing again. If your are in waking life the words will not change but if you are dreaming the words will form something else because thats how your mind works. When you do this though you must really take time to think and ponder it not just do it quickly or that will be a habit as well.

[the1truebat]

Kroe, on 05 May 2010 - 01:19 AM, said:

You want an evil spirit in your house? I can help you.

But it will cost you your very soul!

Well, not your soul (if such a thing even exists). But it will cost you a plane tick to and from your city, plus cab fair to your home, some very nice meals, maybe a few beers, and a nice bed to crash on. Oh, and pay-per-view would be a plus while I'm there too.

Did I forget to mention I'm the evil spirit who'll be visiting you?

Well, I can be EEE-vil, Bruhahahaha! And people do say that I'm a spirited kind of guy.

Oops, there goes the seriousness of this thread.

Seriously, if you want evil spirits in your home then become clinically depressed. You'll not only start to see them, you'll also start to condemn some deity that you don't even believe in for having cursed you with them.

And I'm not joking about that either.

See, I told you the gold embossed invitations would work.

[Sakari]

Man ,I asked for one thing , than we get astral projection  , lucid dreaming , etc..
Than , everyone goes off on that train.....

Can I attempt one more time .......

How do I invite evil/non-evil spirits into my home without using new age , or mind bending ideas?....I am trying one thing at a time...If you add in the other things I still need to " prove do not exist" , than that is way to many things on my plate....

Let's stick with just the one "paranormal" experiment for now , and that would be " how to invite them in"...Heck , they do not even need invited....

All of these stories out there , and supposed "actual events" , someone must know what some of these people did to get them in?....

And please not astral projection , lucid dreaming , medium work , etc.....One thing at a time

[puridalan]

Okay you want an evil 'spirit'. Fine how about this, don't try to get lucifcer or something, no. Let's get someone you hated in real life, someone you knew, whether it be a friend, co worker..family memeber..sommeone who is no longer with us phyiscally that was one major pain in the butt...think of that person, 'call them'..then  see if that works, and see what you feel

As for 'new age' the things I mentioned early aren't new age, people have been doing that forever. That's all I got to offer, take it or leave it..there isn't a phamplet on a 'how to' invite a ghost over for tea...just saying

Edited by puridalan, 05 May 2010 - 03:25 AM.

[Sakari]

puridalan, on 05 May 2010 - 03:24 AM, said:

Okay you want an evil 'spirit'. Fine how about this, don't try to get lucifcer or something, no. Let's get someone you hated in real life, someone you knew, whether it be a friend, co worker..family memeber..sommeone who is no longer with us phyiscally that was one major pain in the butt...think of that person, 'call them'..then  see if that works, and see what you feel

As for 'new age' the things I mentioned early aren't new age, people have been doing that forever. That's all I got to offer, take it or leave it..there isn't a phamplet on a 'how to' invite a ghost over for tea...just saying

Thank you for your replies...As I said , I will try almost anything anyone suggests....As for someone I hated , well , I really have never hated anyone I new...There are those that I hate I did not personally know , so I guess I can try that....

And to make this clear also...I think most all ready noticed , I am a skeptic , I am not coming in here saying " how do I talk to ghosts"...I am taking on the " prove it does not exist" thing...so , here we go....

[Sthenno]

I can't help thinking this seems to be a rather black-and-white approach... you don't believe in spirits, so you're going to try and summon one, and if it doesn't happen then they don't exist - have I got the gist of it there?

But there is a middle ground. I've seen some pretty weird things, but I didn't knowingly cause them and certainly couldn't tell anyone else how to. I doubt anyone can. The only texts on 'summoning spirits' are part of wider theological bodies of work that you can't just dip into; any instructions given on here will be an indivudal's own beliefs... it's hardly a scientific experiment.

[Sakari]

Sthenno, on 05 May 2010 - 03:50 AM, said:

I can't help thinking this seems to be a rather black-and-white approach... you don't believe in spirits, so you're going to try and summon one, and if it doesn't happen then they don't exist - have I got the gist of it there?

But there is a middle ground. I've seen some pretty weird things, but I didn't knowingly cause them and certainly couldn't tell anyone else how to. I doubt anyone can. The only texts on 'summoning spirits' are part of wider theological bodies of work that you can't just dip into; any instructions given on here will be an indivudal's own beliefs... it's hardly a scientific experiment.

It is a "personal" experiment , and a chance for those who do claim they can talk to them , and/or do whatever else they claim with them to share some information...

It is also making the wife pretty mad  

No , she is not the evil spirit coming in

[Over-Kill]

Sakari, on 05 May 2010 - 03:56 AM, said:

It is a "personal" experiment , and a chance for those who do claim they can talk to them , and/or do whatever else they claim with them to share some information...

It is also making the wife pretty mad  

No , she is not the evil spirit coming in

Have you ever tried one of those plastic child's board game thingies?. I've also heard that extremely old ladies with dowsing roads can do the trick.  

[Sthenno]

Sakari, on 05 May 2010 - 03:56 AM, said:

It is a "personal" experiment , and a chance for those who do claim they can talk to them , and/or do whatever else they claim with them to share some information...

I appreciate that, I just don't think you can take much from your findings. Even if people there are people on here who can talk to/communicate with spirits (which I'm skeptical of), why would they be able to teach you to do the same? If someone tells you how they do it and you do it and it doesn't work, that doesn't really prove much. If these things do exist, I doubt very much they can be accessed through simple instructions.

[Kazahel]

Sakari, on 05 May 2010 - 02:50 AM, said:

Man ,I asked for one thing , than we get astral projection  , lucid dreaming , etc..
Than , everyone goes off on that train.....

Can I attempt one more time .......

How do I invite evil/non-evil spirits into my home without using new age , or mind bending ideas

And like I said... you summon them or call them as I would rather put it(which is inviting them into your home which is what you originally asked for), which is not a new age thing and it might only be a mind bending thing to you because you are not used to the concept of summoning spirits(inviting them into you/invocation.. or your home/evocation).

So look up infomation on how to summon spirits to the physical plane if you want to invite them into your home and if you want to try tape it like you said but you'll need something for them to make a form out of(smoke)but its considered for the more advanced and apparently takes lots of practise.

And if you are too lazy to do all the rituals(like I was, lol) then do what I suggested which is inviting them into you through lucid dreaming. Sure you cant tape it like you want but you can experience it better than anywhere else. Then make your own mind up as to if you believe which is what I did. I didnt believe at first either until I called them into my dreaming and felt the massive presence. Then I believed.

Edited by Kazahel, 05 May 2010 - 06:53 AM.