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#1    codeman1798

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 05:55 AM

Hi all,

Just wondered what everyones' thoughts were on Salibi Kamal's theory that the Biblical Holy Land was actually in Arabia, rather than in Israel.
My apologies if this has been addressed befoore, I tried searching, but couldn't find a topic on this.


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:36 AM

It would appear that his idea is based largely on the similarity of placenames.    It would be like arguing Atlantis was actually in Georgia because that's where Atlanta is.   Or, indeed, that I was actually born in Queenland, Australia because I was born near Ipswich .....  There are other linguistic arguments, and some non sequiturs such as there being no volcanoes in Palastine to have destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah (an illogical argument because there is no reason to suppose they were destroyed by volcanes, or even that the story was anything but a folk tale to explain existing geography).

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:36 AM

View Postcodeman1798, on 11 May 2010 - 05:55 AM, said:

Hi all,

Just wondered what everyones' thoughts were on Salibi Kamal's theory that the Biblical Holy Land was actually in Arabia, rather than in Israel.
My apologies if this has been addressed befoore, I tried searching, but couldn't find a topic on this.

The bible compiled so many stories from so many worlds that I don't doubt it at all. It even makes sense to me that this could be true.


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Posted 15 May 2010 - 03:53 AM

View Postcodeman1798, on 11 May 2010 - 05:55 AM, said:

Hi all,

Just wondered what everyones' thoughts were on Salibi Kamal's theory that the Biblical Holy Land was actually in Arabia, rather than in Israel.
My apologies if this has been addressed befoore, I tried searching, but couldn't find a topic on this.
Makes some sense, what with the proximity to Babylon. Biblical Israel could have been anywhere, especially as "40 years in teh wilderness" assuming they were on the move certainly puts them further into the Middle East then on the edge of the Mediterranean.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 05:56 AM

I heard that Yahweh was a volcano God which makes some sense when you think about it and there is a volcano that fits the bill in Arabia. Considering Hephaestus and Ptah are the same sort of volcano creator Gods it should not be seen as too unusual. If the Midianites were there it may be true and also Moses or God, killed the Midianites later didn't they, maybe that was volcanic action.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 12:34 PM

The Old Testament, The Torah are very much same as the quran.
check them for yourselves...
The entire old terstament..right from genesis..adam and eve, cain and abel, noah and the great flood, abraham & issac, jacob, the slavery in egypt, moses, all that is there in the three holy books.
The bible is a compilation of books, which have already assimilated lots of myths, legends, and history of the middle east through it.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 09:09 PM

the first five books were written in arabia.  so i guess you could say that the bible is from arabia.  but remember the isrealites, which includes the jews, were just moving through the area.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 09:12 PM

View PostThe Spartan, on 15 May 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

The Old Testament, The Torah are very much same as the quran.
check them for yourselves...
The entire old terstament..right from genesis..adam and eve, cain and abel, noah and the great flood, abraham & issac, jacob, the slavery in egypt, moses, all that is there in the three holy books.
The bible is a compilation of books, which have already assimilated lots of myths, legends, and history of the middle east through it.


of course the first 5 booksof the bible, torah(if it is written in books), and the quran(again depending on how many books it takes in this book to include mosess writtings) are based on the same work.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 04:57 AM

It would make sense if the first books of the old testament were written somewere other than israel. Although, much of the bible talks about and doesnt stop talking about the location, geography, etc. Its pretty accurate on were places were. Like sodom & gomorra, wich were by the dead sea, jerusalem, the cities were the temples stood, etc

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 06:33 PM

Lord of the Rings was written in England.   It doesn't mean the events portrayed nor the places described in England  ;)

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 07:27 PM

Where is "Arabia?"

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 07:29 PM

yeah but, if you were writting a message of God and hope and God to a specific group of people (jewish or hebrews)and about a promised land, etc it would make more sense for it to have been written by themselves other than by another person in another country. I mean, not alot of people from another religion (= location) would write a powerful book like that to another group of people in another place.

I mean, one thing is to writte a story, but the bible means alot more than a fairy tale. It means alot more to the people who wrote it, or to whom they wrote it to

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 07:47 PM

View PostBliszter, on 17 May 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

yeah but, if you were writting a message of God and hope and God to a specific group of people (jewish or hebrews)and about a promised land, etc it would make more sense for it to have been written by themselves other than by another person in another country. I mean, not alot of people from another religion (= location) would write a powerful book like that to another group of people in another place.

I mean, one thing is to writte a story, but the bible means alot more than a fairy tale. It means alot more to the people who wrote it, or to whom they wrote it to
Israel didn't exist until after the death of Moses.

Since the storyline is that Moses wrote the first five books, how could they possibly have been written in Israel?

The OP is about the claim that Israel itself has been mislocated.  This is stupidity itself, as Canaan is well-defined in the Bible as well as in ancient writing from other nations in that ers (most notably, various Mesopotamian nations.)

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 08:25 PM

Abraham made the covenant with God, he was from Ur. He has two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Jews descend from Isaac and muslims from Ishmael. Isaac has two sons Esau and Jacob. Esau is described as having a mass of red hair, he is the eldest but Jacob steals his birthright from him. Jacob wrestles an angel (kinky) and falls asleep on a stone and sees the ladder to heaven. It is only after this event that he receives the name Israel. This all happened before Moses, not sure about Joseph though.

What does it mean? The hebrews descending from Isaac have had a rough ride, being slaves, captives, exiles but the OT was not written down until the captivity around 700bce. I don't agree with the OP but it is certainly not as straight forward as it seems imo.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 08:56 PM

View PostSlimJim22, on 17 May 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

What does it mean? The hebrews descending from Isaac have had a rough ride, being slaves, captives, exiles but the OT was not written down until the captivity around 700bce. I don't agree with the OP but it is certainly not as straight forward as it seems imo.
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Again, the thread is concerned with the silly idea that what we today call Israel is not in the right place.  That is, it is not where the Biblical Israel was.

Of course, boundaries likely differ, but there is no doubt (and can be no doubt) that the Biblical Israel was where today's Israel is located.

But concerning where the Bible was written, why, you have a point there and it's the same point Essan made (nice to see you again Essan.)  The OT, Torah, whatever etc. may not have been written in Israel.  I'll even go as far as to say that the Bible in your home wasn't even published in Israel.  Does this matter?

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