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#1    karl 12

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 01:06 AM

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BALL LIGHTNING does not look like "lightning." Instead, it usually appears as a mysterious glowing sphere which drifts horizontally through the air. It is typically the size of a grapefruit, but sometimes appears as small as a pea, or as large as a bus. It sometime hovers at a few feet or tens of feet altitude, but can also bounce along the ground. It usually lasts only a few seconds, but sometimes persists much longer.
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Does Ball lightning account for some UFO sightings?

The phenomenon itself appears to be a pretty controversial one within mainstream science but it refers to luminous, (mostly) spherical objects which vary in size and 'move up, down, sideways or in unpredictable trajectories' - some ball lightning accounts also describe it moving through solid masses of wood or metal without effect and other witnesses report a strange smell like ozone or burning sulphur.

There are some pretty remarkable interviews in the Arthur C. Clarke documentary below with people who claim to have experienced ball lightning and some of their observations do share certain characteristics with UFO testimony:






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Visual sightings are often accompanied by sound, odor, and other natural and unnatural phenomenon.  Most are accompanied by a loud humming.  Sometimes ball lightnings are reported to emit a hissing sound. Many observers report a distinctive odor accompanying ball lightning. The odor is usually described as sharp and repugnant, resembling ozone, burning sulphur, or nitric oxide.

Many eyewitness accounts describe its movement as having the characteristics of an intelligence guiding it.  It often enters structures through windows or doors, though it seems to have no difficulty passing through solid walls.  It travels down hallways and up and down stairs and other lines of logical access and egress within structures. It pauses at objects and living things as though observing them.  It has been described as similar to remote reconnaissance drones portrayed in science fiction movies.  

A diameter of 6-18 inches is the most common size, although reports range from inch up to 50 feet in width.  They are luminous and spherical in shape and come in a rainbow of colors, often changing color many times during a single event.  They do not seem to do a great deal of harm, although in their exits, they sometimes explode which can cause damage. They have even been sighted in aircraft flying in clear skies and on marine vessels without a cloud in sight.

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A Social History of Ball Lightning.  Martin Shough

Unfriendly Fire - Ball Lightning and UFOs

Spectre in the sky - The evidence for ball lightning


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 02:34 AM

I agree with you Karl, it could only account for some sightings, definitely not all.

Very interesting on the links, thanks, I will finish them later today.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 01:44 PM

Psyche, thanks for the reply and there's some pretty darn interesting reading at the links - there's also a bit of a crazy ball lightning incident described here from on board an aircraft in 1963 where a professor and an air stewardess witnessed a 'perfectly symmetrical glowing white blue sphere' emerge from the pilot's cabin and travel down the aisle of the aircraft before disappearing out through the toilet compartment!  :o
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 08:59 PM

Though I prefer the name Earthlights, thanks for the info!!!  Especially the interview ... been researching these lights for years and any new link is always useful and thanks!!!


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 09:05 PM

Ignus, no probs matey -there's an interesting National Geographic article here on the subject but I think the first sentence just about sums it up.


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"There's certainly no consensus. I don't think that anyone knows what it is," said Graham K. Hubler, a physicist at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D.C...


While some skeptics remain, there is significant observational evidence for ball lightning's existence.

"There are around 10,000 written accounts of observations covering many countries with similar properties recurring in many observations," said John Abrahamson, a professor of chemistry at the University of Canterbury in Christchurch, New Zealand.

"All this points to a phenomenon which is repeatable and justifies a single label."

Thousands of eyewitnesses have described seeing a floating, glowing ball similar to a tennis ball or even a beach ball..

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 10:08 PM

View Postkarl 12, on 13 May 2010 - 09:05 PM, said:

Ignus, no probs matey -there's an interesting National Geographic article here on the subject but I think the first sentence just about sums it up.




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Posted 15 May 2010 - 09:05 PM

Hey Ignus, thanks for the reply - this realy does seem to be a pretty freaky phenomenon and will certainly try to look into the work of the people you mention - I don't know if you've read any of the atmospherical physics papers authored by Dr James E. Mcdonald but he makes some very interesting comments in this CASI report about Corona, Ball Lightning and Plasma-UFOs:


UFOs -- An International Scientific Problem


Also, when it comes to unidentified aerial phenomena -I think this is one of the best interviews I've ever heard on the subject. :)

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 09:41 PM

I agree with you guys that the anomolous Eath lights, are probably the cause of some of the UFOs reported.

Not all of them though.

There could be a trillion and one explanations for something observed in the sky that the observer couldnt identify... a UFO.

Still, to make the claim that any of these weird sightings are alien in origin takes a little more
than that "If they are not ours... then they must be ET" BS we keep hearing from the believers.

Edited by Hazzard, 15 May 2010 - 09:43 PM.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 09:50 PM

View PostHazzard, on 15 May 2010 - 09:41 PM, said:

Still, to make the claim that any of these weird sightings are alien in origin takes a little more
than that "If they are not ours... then they must be ET" BS we keep hearing from the believers.

Try painting this incident as ball lightning.



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Posted 15 May 2010 - 09:58 PM

Try painting it as ET only.  :)

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:06 PM

View PostHazzard, on 15 May 2010 - 09:58 PM, said:

Try painting it as ET only.  Posted Image


That's easy! We have no such craft in our inventory.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:11 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 15 May 2010 - 10:06 PM, said:

That's easy! We have no such craft in our inventory.

..as in, couldnt these be terrestrial in origin?

If not, why not?

Edited by Hazzard, 15 May 2010 - 10:18 PM.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:32 PM

View PostHazzard, on 15 May 2010 - 10:11 PM, said:

..as in, couldnt these be terrestrial in origin?

If not, why not?

It was determined that the object was under intelligent control, and from that, you can then ask the question; do we have such a craft? If not, then, the question has been answered.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:42 PM

I am glad someone has started this topic , I very recently started reading up on this ( Thanks Ignus ) , and I find it very interesting...National Geogaphic had a very good show on them , and will re-air it...

And the ones looking at these things are not saying " ET " , I believe all of us are trying to figure out what they are....They do exist , that is for sure.....
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Posted 17 May 2010 - 07:13 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 15 May 2010 - 09:50 PM, said:

Try painting this incident as ball lightning.


SkyEagle, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics came to the unanimous conclusion in this report that the object involved in the RB-47 case was not 'plasma' or 'electrical luminosity by the atmosphere' so that truly is an interesting UFO case.  :yes:

As for ball lightning -it's not very long (or that impressive) but here's an interesting clip from Youtube.





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