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Is Van der Sloot a serial killer?


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#46    Lilly

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 07:44 PM

I just merged the two threads on Van der Sloot...should make discussion easier.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 01:22 AM

View PostSweetpumper, on 08 June 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

I'm sure they were just collected articles about himself to feed a massive ego. She just met him, what was she doing on his laptop to find these stories? I'd guess he showed her the articles, watched her reaction, which probably excited him, and snapped her neck when she tried to get out, all planned from the start.

All just a guess.

If I'm correct, Mr. Van der Slooth went to some nearby cafe to order an espresso or some kind of coffee beverage before he committed the murder. I suppose that the investigators could look into what he ordered at the cafe. If he only bought one drink, then that lends credibility to the planned murder theory, since someone who is about to commit a murder probably isn't going to buy the intended victim a cup of coffee. If he bought two drinks then that gives a little support to an unplanned 2nd degree murder because it supports the idea that he intended to spend time with her doing something else, instead of murder.  

I'm partially conflicted about whether he is the type of killer that plans everything ahead of time or a loose cannon who has an inflated ego and apparent sociopath-like disregard for any laws or conventions of morality. If I had to make a guess I would go with the latter of the two possibilities. Mr. Van der Slooth has admitted at least once to a reporter and once in a polygraph session that over half of what he says are outright lies. He apparently doesn't have any shame in trying to benefit off his notorious reputation or extorting the Holloways for money. In addition, close friends and acquaintances have described him as a hot-head who is prone to violent outbursts. He even threw a wine glass into the eyes of a true crime writer investigating the Holloway case, because of a simple question about something (I forget exactly what he asked, but I remember it being nothing insulting).  

I'm not saying that I don't believe Mr. Van der Slooth could have victimized others, I just don't think that he has the discipline and forethought to go on a serial killing spree across the world without getting detected. The man isn't very bright as can be demonstrated by the myriad of contradictory stories about the night of Natalie Holloway's disappearance and the apparent lack of any real planning in the recent murder. I think he is a compulsive fib teller and lacks any sort of morality or ethics concerning other individuals or the laws of men.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 02:33 AM

View PostLilly, on 11 June 2010 - 02:14 PM, said:

In the ocean? Perhaps that's what he did with Ms. Holloway's body but he's claiming otherwise...see link here.
I'm thinking maybe he thinks this is a way to be extradited back to Aruba. Their prisons may be a little nicer than Peru's and he probably wouldn't be sharing a cellblock with a hitman.

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View Postpixiii, on 04 June 2010 - 11:30 AM, said:

makes you wonder how he can still be running around free after all that. :unsure2:




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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:27 AM

I just ran across some speculation that Mr. Van der Sloot may be linked to 2 missing Columbian women see article here.

I just find it hard to believe he went several years before killing again.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 02:47 AM

If he is then he isn't a very good one.


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Posted 19 June 2010 - 05:30 AM

View PostLilly, on 14 June 2010 - 02:27 AM, said:

I just ran across some speculation that Mr. Van der Sloot may be linked to 2 missing Columbian women see article here.

I just find it hard to believe he went several years before killing again.

I read the link you provided, but the story itself seemed somewhat sensationalistic. Calling Van der Sloot the "Dutch Psychopath" kind of gave away the tabloid like nature of the newspaper reporting the story.

Could Van der Sloot be involved in these two women's disappearences? Yes, perhaps. But thousands of people get kidnapped in Colombia every year, I mean it's the cocaine capital of the world, such abductions are a common occurence there even today. All they have is very flimsy circumstantial evidence linking Van der Sloot with these disappearences and they don't seem to fit in with the other killings he's accused of. He seems to be an opportunity killer who acts on the flip of a dime, so trying to subdue or kill two women supposedly around the same time just doesn't seem something that he would pull off. Both of the known cases he is linked to only involved one woman at a time and he wasn't very good at getting away with the second one anyways.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 07:14 AM

Targeted? Well maybe hang one on him and let the girls parents have a shot at him. That's about the only targeting I would see. His father was a judge he thinks he can get away with anything and he was wrong.


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Posted 19 June 2010 - 07:14 AM

Targeted? Well maybe hang one on him and let the girls parents have a shot at him. That's about the only targeting I would see. His father was a judge he thinks he can get away with anything and he was wrong.


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 04:07 AM

View PostMoon Princess, on 03 June 2010 - 11:43 PM, said:

I say yes with another girl murdered. Though the first one has yet to be found. I just don't know. I never trusted him since I first heard of him. >.> Sicko.

To qualify as a serial killer he would have had to kill three people within a certain period of time.  I don't doubt that he did that considering the other things he was involved in, like human trafficking of minors and so on.  He's in prison now - good thing.  There are far too many predators out here that aren't caught, and it took years to come up with enough solid evidence to finally get this guy.


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 09:35 AM

View PostQuidam, on 22 June 2010 - 04:07 AM, said:

To qualify as a serial killer he would have had to kill three people within a certain period of time.  I don't doubt that he did that considering the other things he was involved in, like human trafficking of minors and so on.

Exactly my point, he was involved in the illegal slave trade. He could have easily killed others (that we don't know about) during that time period.
  

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He's in prison now - good thing.  There are far too many predators out here that aren't caught, and it took years to come up with enough solid evidence to finally get this guy.

And this time his father isn't there to cover for him.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 07:09 PM

He is a serial killer. If he is not a serial killer he will be if he kills again which he will unless he is in jail. Serial killers often taunt victim's families, and place special importance on dates. They have a prefered method of body disposal (in his case, leaving them at sea (supposedly), which he planned to do with his last victim). Serial killers tend to target a certain type of victim, for example young attractive 21 year old women. They are able to seduce people with smooth words and lies.
By trying to blackmail the family he is displaying the absolute ruthlessness one associates with a dangerous sociopath, and, he is keeping the murder alive in his mind. He hasn't moved on in life, he continued for years to taunt the family, keeping the murder fresh in his mind, similar in a sense to taking an item that belongs to the victim as a souvenier.
Someone who has killed more than once, and travels around the globe and has killed in different areas, who always has a plan on how to properly dispose of the body, who knows how to move from one country to the next, who has some degree of protection in the form of his father's influence and money, who show no signs at all of remorse, whose murders are sexually related, and carried out in a similar fashion (bludgeoining)- these are the marks of a serial killer. All we need is one more murder for him to qualify as a serial killer, we just need to wait for authorities to find out about his other murders. I'm sure his international jet setting, often to third world countries, is a way to get away with multiple murders. Many serial killers dump their bodies in different counties so that there will be jurisdictional issues and police wanting credit for catching the killer withhold information from each other, or else are simply unaware of the other murders. van der Sloot is doing this on a global scale.
Look into his passport, see where and when it was used, then go and look for his victims' bodies, which will probably be submerged in water somewhere.

The best evidence is him taunting the victim's family. He is fulfilling a need to keep the murder alive and the money means nothing to him- he is a gambler after all and presumably used to losing- even when a gambler loses he still gets a high from the act of gambling, whether it be for one cent or one billion dollars. van der Sloot was not after the money. He acted without any regards to the feelings of the victim's family, even trying to manipulate them by revealing where the body is. Ted Bundy did that too. Before he was executed he offered to reveal where bodies were buried if they would delay his execution.
Most killers kill to gain money; out of jealousy or envy; during the commission of a robbery, out of red-hot anger, or revenge. The others kill because they like to. They kill people they don't know or barely know, as opposed to a spouse killing the other spouse out of hatred, or worries about losing everything if there is a divorce, or to inherit money. van der Sloot killed because he wanted to kill, the extortion thing was an afterthought.


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Posted 24 June 2010 - 11:25 PM

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He is a serial killer. If he is not a serial killer he will be if he kills again which he will unless he is in jail. Serial killers often taunt victim's families, and place special importance on dates. They have a prefered method of body disposal (in his case, leaving them at sea (supposedly), which he planned to do with his last victim). Serial killers tend to target a certain type of victim, for example young attractive 21 year old women. They are able to seduce people with smooth words and lies.

By trying to blackmail the family he is displaying the absolute ruthlessness one associates with a dangerous sociopath, and, he is keeping the murder alive in his mind. He hasn't moved on in life, he continued for years to taunt the family, keeping the murder fresh in his mind, similar in a sense to taking an item that belongs to the victim as a souvenier.
Someone who has killed more than once, and travels around the globe and has killed in different areas, who always has a plan on how to properly dispose of the body, who knows how to move from one country to the next, who has some degree of protection in the form of his father's influence and money, who show no signs at all of remorse, whose murders are sexually related, and carried out in a similar fashion (bludgeoining)- these are the marks of a serial killer. All we need is one more murder for him to qualify as a serial killer, we just need to wait for authorities to find out about his other murders. I'm sure his international jet setting, often to third world countries, is a way to get away with multiple murders. Many serial killers dump their bodies in different counties so that there will be jurisdictional issues and police wanting credit for catching the killer withhold information from each other, or else are simply unaware of the other murders. van der Sloot is doing this on a global scale.
Look into his passport, see where and when it was used, then go and look for his victims' bodies, which will probably be submerged in water somewhere.


While I will agree that he is a dangerous man, I don't think there is enough evidence to really make the statement that he is a serial killer, yet. I touched on the blackmailing of the family in my earlier post and, I agree, that is strong evidence that he has a sociopathic personality. Although, I think that his gambling addiction did have a little to do with the extortion. Many compulsive gamblers will go through great lengths to get money to fuel their habit, especially if they have a personality of entitlement that Van der Sloot possesses. I believe he really thought he had the upper hand when it came to avoiding the law, which was probably reinforced by his evasion of charges in both the sex trafficking offense and the disappearance of Holloway.

A clear pattern between these two murders cannot be established. I don't think it has been proved that Natalie Holloway was bludgeoned to death, since we would need a body or murder weapon to come to that conclusion. Whatever "confession" he made to that undercover reporter doesn't really prove anything in my mind. The guy is an opportunist, so he will jump on any opportunity to either make money or rub his inflated ego. Van der Sloot has admitted that he is a compulsive liar and this has been backed up by those who knew him.

Although, like you said, he has shown some type of ritualism in this recent killing with the date of the murder matching that of Natalie Holloway's disappearance. I agree that this could be more than a coincidence and the date might have some meaning to him, but whether he repeated this supposed ritual once or five times, we don't know yet.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 09:08 AM

If anyone is still interested in whether Van der Sloot had any anti-social or psychopathic traits, try reading this link.  

Most of you know that Joran has led a pretty privileged lifestyle in Aruba before the Natalie Holloway disappearance. However, there are some details about him that points to him having a narcissistic personality. For instance, he was sent to counseling as a teenager for stealing money from his father and being "violent" towards one of his two younger brothers. Unlike most parents, the Van der Sloots seemed to of condoned his activities, even to the point of paying off a casino to let him gamble before he was eighteen, the legal age in Aruba. Joran was also allowed to drive before the legal age limit of Aruba, which is, also, eighteen. He had been accused of slipping date-rape drugs into several other girl's drinks. One of the victims was going to come forward around the time of the Holloway disappearance, but declined at the last moment.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 07:29 PM

You must have three murders under your belt to be considered a serial killer.

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