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[Eddy_P]

Egyptian Hieroglyphs depict and describe a computer’s cd tray, along with the form of a compact disk itself.

The Old Testament documents and describes computer parts.

The contents of four specific mid 1990s cd-roms are documented and described in many ancient texts.

A common link is Egypt:
Solon, an Egyptian priest, told the story of Athens and Atlantis.
Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV), Pharaoh of Egypt, set up a one god religion.
Moses, an Egyptian priest, told various historical stories, and set up a one god religion.
The ‘Ark of the Covenant’ was a computer carry box that also contained the four mentioned cd-roms.

Two new videos introduce and show what type of computer technology has been documented and depicted by people in ancient times.
Link: http://www.worldbrea...rums/index.html

Three more videos then provide 12 specific examples.

Once you have viewed these, you may then Evaluate, Examine, and Compare 10 selected Topics from the Videos.

[sean6]

Eddy_P, on 18 June 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:

Egyptian Hieroglyphs depict and describe a computer’s cd tray, along with the form of a compact disk itself.

The Old Testament documents and describes computer parts.

The contents of four specific mid 1990s cd-roms are documented and described in many ancient texts.

A common link is Egypt:
Solon, an Egyptian priest, told the story of Athens and Atlantis.
Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV), Pharaoh of Egypt, set up a one god religion.
Moses, an Egyptian priest, told various historical stories, and set up a one god religion.
The ‘Ark of the Covenant’ was a computer carry box that also contained the four mentioned cd-roms.

Two new videos introduce and show what type of computer technology has been documented and depicted by people in ancient times.
Link: http://www.worldbrea...rums/index.html

Three more videos then provide 12 specific examples.

Once you have viewed these, you may then Evaluate, Examine, and Compare 10 selected Topics from the Videos.

b.s.  

[Emma_Acid]

I love this. I think this video is brilliant. Utter insanity, but brilliant insanity.

I love the idea that someone would go back in time, in an obviously incredibly advanced time machine, but have to lumber a 386 PC back with them just to show people a CD ROM.

I love it.

Its friday, I'm going on holiday tomorrow, I'm in a good mood, and there's nothing that can spoil it.

[DrunkDwarf]

Just the kind of humour I needed on a Friday. The most hilarious thing is just how serious the website and narrator consider this.

[J.B.]

Some theories just don't make any sense.

Yes, they had computer technology in ancient times. It was not OUR computer technology. Antikythera device, look it up. That's an ancient computer. CD Roms. . . rubbish. I'll admit, I believe they had electricity in those days, but it wasn't to run the same exact equipment we do.

[Eddy_P]

Somehow, someone (known as ‘angels’) took back mid 1990s computer technology.

A full Egyptian report may be found in the publication entitled A New Understanding - Egyptian Gods, PPHC, 2006.
LINK: http://www.worldbrea...books/banu.html

CONTENTS
Great Ennead of Heliopolis
Other Egyptian Gods
Benu Bird, Benben Stone, and the Phoenix
King Menes (Aha)
Summary of Identified Gods
Seven Stages of Egyptian Mythology
Pyramid Texts
Coffin Texts
The Book of the Dead
      - Funeral Bed vignette
     - Nine Component Parts of Man
The Papyrus of Ani
      - Plate 1
      - Plates VII & VIII
The Ladder of God
Hieroglyphics
Findings
Final Conclusion

While checking Pegg’s Egyptian claims, from a list of over 55 named Egyptian mythical gods that describe their given animal symbol (and some, their individually associated characteristics and described themes), I matched 41 gods plus over 20 of their attributes and themes to specific images from the Ancients  cd-rom, and matched 9 other descriptions and attributes to images and themes from two other cd-roms.

To me, this confirmed Pegg’s assertions.

I then also went on to identify the source of the Solar Boat, Benu Bird and Phoenix legends, plus found that, the scarab beetle represents a computer's mouse, the BenBen Stone describes a compact disk image and a computer's glass monitor, and that the Aten hieroglyph is a representation of there being three compact disks in ancient Egypt at Heliopolis.

Some of my discoveries have been included in news reports:
Ennead Gods of Heliopolis describe a series of pictures from a 1995 cd-rom. LINK: http://www.worldbrea...s/egyptian.html

Explanation of 17 glyphs from Column 1, Plate 1 from the Papyrus of Ani. LINK: http://www.worldbrea...ews/depict.html

[Fluffybunny]

No, not even close. A simple circle does not indicate a CD. Nor does it indicate a bottle cap/record/lid to a peanut butter jar or any other modern day round object. A circle is a common shape, as is a rectangle. To go from a rectangle and a circle and jump immediately to a CD tray is simply silly and not something anyone who thinks in any scientific manner would ever jump to.

[Pinx]

Ha! I had that Grolier Encyclopedia CD ROM! Ah, the days of windows 3.1. /reminisce

Seriously though, the narrator is really stretching it to make the pieces all fit. It was quite entertaining, though.

ETA: Also, too bad youtube comments are disabled. They're often a source of entertainment in and of themselves.

Edited by Pinx, 19 June 2010 - 10:00 PM.

[Eddy_P]

Fluffybunny, on 19 June 2010 - 09:19 PM, said:

No, not even close. A simple circle does not indicate a CD. Nor does it indicate a bottle cap/record/lid to a peanut butter jar or any other modern day round object. A circle is a common shape, as is a rectangle. To go from a rectangle and a circle and jump immediately to a CD tray is simply silly and not something anyone who thinks in any scientific manner would ever jump to.

Correct.
That is why extensive research has been conducted into this matter.

Answers to other people’s questions may assist in understanding these new discoveries.

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Could it be that we tend to see what we are looking for?

True. that is sometimes the case.

But when the same reference books as used by most ‘experts’ are employed, and the glyphs checked, and substituted glyphs have obviously been used and thus given an incorrect translation and context, then I prefer to go by what the originally depicted glyphs represented and said, and not just accept what some ‘expert’ chose it to mean after he/she had guessed as to what the scribe Ani was trying to describe.

I may have answered this better elsewhere - when this question was asked…

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Oh yes, I willingly believe that multiple different Egyptologists and linguists mistranslated the section and only Pegg has been able  to translate it correctly.

That’s what I thought at first too, until I checked out the meanings of the glyphs for myself - using reference books by other Egyptian experts such as Gardiner A, Egyptian Grammar, Third Edition reprinted 1978, Griffith Institute, Oxford; and Collier M. & Manley B. 1998, How to read Egyptian Hieroglyphs, British Museum Press, London.

Important points from the full article…

Comparing the line drawings (used by ‘experts’ to make the translation) with the original glyphs (drawn by Ani), it is immediately obvious that some have not been reproduced correctly.

For example
The first red circle: The drawn shaded circle symbol is different.
The original is not dark and has a hole in the middle (similar to the other three).
The ledge was originally squarish. The circle in the cradle is totally different.
A 'house plan' has replaced the rectangle box. A 'loaf' has replaced the horizontal line.

Ronald Pegg's claim is therefore warranted, as the given and accepted translation is based upon substituted glyphs.
This means that the intended original meaning and context is not yet known.

The original glyphs as drawn by Ani have therefore not yet been interpreted nor translated correctly.

The article goes on to the last six glyphs…
Of these 6 glyphs, 4 have been misrepresented in their reproduction and therefore also in their subsequent translation. This means the contemporary translation is incorrect.

Well yes. That’s right. If the wrong glyphs have been used to translate, then the given interpretation by ‘experts’ is NOT what Ani depicted, as the ‘experts’ substituted glyphs BEFORE they did their translation. A picture is given and when compared to what Ani depicted, it is obvious that different glyphs have been used in the translation by the ‘experts’.

Continuing, the article presents a visual comparison of the last 4 (of 6) glyphs to those as shown in the Sign Listings in Sir Alan Gardiner’s Egyptian reference book…
One glyph is not a known glyph. Scholars have not referenced it.
Another glyph has been substituted in the place of the second glyph. This glyph depicted by Ani is also not known. Scholars have not referenced it.
The third glyph has been substituted for another, yet the original glyph drawn by Ani IS referenced by Gardiner.
Hence, at least three glyphs have not yet been interpreted nor translated correctly.
So, turning to glyphs that look similar in Gardiner’s book, their meanings* (ie. etymologies) are extracted and put down in order.
This, glyph by glyph identification, gives a running sentence - being what the glyphs are representing.
The 6 glyphs depicted by Ani say “A Disk. Its protruding ledge, a disk shaped saddle, in the side of the supportive base”.

So, no, I do not just simply agree with Pegg’s translation.
I grabbed my own copies of the books as cited in the full article and very carefully checked each glyph for myself.
Unfortunately I did not state this in my earlier 2006 report regarding Pegg’s claims.

* This is just like using the Hebrew Lexicon from Strong’s Concordance to verify the original Hebrew meanings from the Old Testament.

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I was certainly not questioning the translation of the glyphs, that would be totally outside my sphere of expertise.

Just because something is not your chosen sphere of expertise, one should always ask questions - and actively seek the correct answers.
I appreciate the opportunity to explain these astonishing findings.

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However, it does seem that there is more than one stage in the extraction of information in this sort of situation.  The two main stages appear to be translation and interpretation.  The accuracy of the first must depend greatly on the expertise and care of the translator, while the second is very open to seeing what you want to see.

Regarding “The accuracy of the first must depend greatly on the expertise and care of the translator”
That is one of the main the points presented in the cited article.
It is clearly shown and easily observed by anyone (ie. non-experts) that the (‘expert’) translator (or his associated artist) has substituted glyphs - for what he thought Ani was trying to depict.

The original glyphs have NOT been reproduced accurately.
Hence translating the wrong glyphs will not give a translation of what Ani was originally saying.
Thus the original message portrayed by Ani was still not known at that time.

The second point you state of ‘seeing what you want to see’ is exactly of what the translator (or his artist) is guilty.
This is what Pegg and myself are pointing out.

Interpertation
Also, if the sun-disc glyph was originally depicting a ‘DVD, record, laser-disk, wheel, etc” THEN the context of either a ‘DVD, record, laser-disk, wheel, etc’ would have to be observed in subsequent and associated glyphs on the papyrus.
This is not the case. When these other options are put into a context, they do not produce complete results.
eg. Yes, a DVD does sit in a similar shaped ‘cradle in the side of a box’ and it is operated via ‘a mouse & cable’ as depicted in associated glyphs, but the following and associated descriptions given by the glyphs do not describe any DVD’s contents.

But when the context of a ‘compact disk’ interpretation is employed,
the associated 91 glyphs from Plate I, columns 1 & 2 of the Papyrus of Ani do in fact describe the use of three modern cd-roms in a computer, using a mouse and cable: They briefly describe the contents and some imagery from the Ancients cd-rom, the 1991 Persian Gulf War - Desert Storm from the Grolier cd-rom, and the 'Sun and Stars' from the RedShift2 cd-rom.
This was made known in the 2006 Egyptian Report

So using the context of the sun-disc as a compact disk (ie. a cd-rom) the surrounding 91 glyphs produce a fully self contained explanation.

BUT is just one papyrus showing evidence of modern computer technology all that is needed to prove Pegg’s case ?
No.
Pegg, in his own works, shows additional proof.
In the Pyramid texts, Utterances 267, 273, 478, 600, he reveals where they are describing images from the three cd-roms.
Source: Pegg, R 2003, Ancient Chronicles Unsealed, PPHC, Adelaide.

In my 2006 investigations, I reveal where the stories regarding the mythical Gods of Heliopolis and the Funeral Bed vignette from the Book of the Dead are describing a series of pictures from the Ancients cd-rom.
Source: Pengelly, E 2006, A New Understanding - Egyptian Gods, PPHC, Adelaide.

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For this reason I feel it is very important to include as much justification as possible for any interpretation.

That is why the latest article was written with comprehensive citations and actual depictions of glyphs from Sign Lists from noted reference books.
Also, there are printed books available in Australia that present and highlight my discoveries and findings, as well as certain web pages on the PPHC Study Group website.

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What you've shown doesn't have a hole in the middle. A dot isn't a hole. it could be the axle of a wheel, or not even a picture of anything, or simply a place to put the needle of a compass used to draw the circle.

The physical size of the Papyrus is quite small.
The papyrus of Ani was found at Thebes, and was purchased by the Trustees of the British Museum in 1888. It measures 78 feet long by only 1 foot 3 inches high.
To put this into perspective, here are columns from Plate I (with 1 & 2 highlighted) against a 15 inch ruler.

So within the 15 inches, 2.5 inches are lost due to the coloured borders.
The red ‘sun-disc’ glyph is therefore about a quarter of an inch high - not much room to draw the hole so it is clearly visible.

Some glyphs do show the hole in the middle, some do not.
This one shows both…



This one shows a circle with a hole in it

These glyphs (and another) describe that the Grolier disk is partly green in colour.
Source: PPHC Study Group website,  Member Area, pages Glyph_1 & Glyph_2

When these were investigated and revealed descriptions from two modern cd-roms, it was deduced that in many cases, the sun-glyphs without a hole clearly seen were also representing a compact disk.

[tipotep]

You should have posted this in the ancient mysteries section - the egyptian guru's would have had a field day .

It would pay to get KMT_SESH ( Forum member, Egyptian Guru ) to have a look at the hieroglyphics to get his take on the translation .

Im just about 100% sure he wont come up with a computer .

TIP.

[booNyzarC]

Eddy_P, on 18 June 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:

Egyptian Hieroglyphs depict and describe a computer’s cd tray, along with the form of a compact disk itself.

The Old Testament documents and describes computer parts.

The contents of four specific mid 1990s cd-roms are documented and described in many ancient texts.

A common link is Egypt:
Solon, an Egyptian priest, told the story of Athens and Atlantis.
Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV), Pharaoh of Egypt, set up a one god religion.
Moses, an Egyptian priest, told various historical stories, and set up a one god religion.
The ‘Ark of the Covenant’ was a computer carry box that also contained the four mentioned cd-roms.

Two new videos introduce and show what type of computer technology has been documented and depicted by people in ancient times.
Link: http://www.worldbrea...rums/index.html

Three more videos then provide 12 specific examples.

Once you have viewed these, you may then Evaluate, Examine, and Compare 10 selected Topics from the Videos.

I have only one question so far.  When you typed all of this out, did you have a straight face?

[ShadowSot]

Eddy keeps posting this stuff on multiple forums, seems he posted a very similar thread back in July of '08, as well as this thread from earlier this year.
Suppose it's hard for him to keep track of where he spams this nonsense.

[questionmark]

Looks like Eddy's book sales are low and he needs some more clients. If you want to buy this nonsense, the address has been posted -- courtesy by Eddy -- above.

My advice is, instead buy Collier, Mark & Bill Manley (1998). How to Read Egyptian Hieroglyphs: a step-by-step guide to teach yourself. British Museum Press. ISBN 0-7141-1910-5, at least you will learn something useful out of it.

[Eldorado]

"The ‘Ark of the Covenant’ was a computer carry box that also contained the four mentioned cd-roms."

That line is a classic which I will remember at least until Monday.

[booNyzarC]

Have you guys watched these videos?