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#10606    Otharus

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:05 AM

View PostOtharus, on 03 March 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Here is another reveiling fragment of "Om de erfenis van Friso ~ 175 jaar Fries Genootschap" by Goffe Jensma,  published in "Het Fries Genootschap 1827-2002" (2002), from chapter 3: "Voorgeschiedenis, 1750-1827"

(translation, for original see attached scan; p.26)

The Frisian Society (Fries Genootschap) might not have been founded, if king Willem I [(1772–1843)] would not have convoked all 'patriotic historians and linguists' by Royal Order of 23 December 1826, to submit proposals for the concoction of a 'General Netherlandic History'.

Until then an enterprise like that had not been undertaken, despite of 'the great importance of such a history, that aims at cultivating love for the fatherland, stimulating civic virtue and maintaining the national character'.

View PostOtharus, on 06 March 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

History and language are political tools to unite or seperate peoples.

i rest my case


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:43 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 08 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

Excellent post Alewyn.


:lol:
Thanks Puzzler.
Btw. A "civilization collapse" in Egypt because of a "drought", would imply that the Nile dried up.The source of the Nile is some 6500 km away in Central Africa.  Now add China, India, The Middle East, North America, etc., etc.

"comparatively limited geographical area" indeed!


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 03:46 PM

View PostKnul, on 08 March 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

Sure, I remember the discussion and my comments. I do not know, why you brougth this up again. In the meantime I learned a bit more of Old Frisian, so I gave it an other try, so that it would look less like mediaeval Dutch. Nothing to worry about.

Menno, I'll tell you this: I am able to add on "Old-Frisian-ish" line in the OLB, then post the whole alinea here, and not one of you would know I did.

Actually, I already did, lol. I once posted a piece of OLB text, and I added a line I had concocted myself.

Not one of you noticed I did, you all happily responded without showing any sign of having a clue something was not ok.

Good luck searching for that post, hahaha !!


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 03:55 PM

View PostOtharus, on 08 March 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

What 'conspiracy theory'?

Yours.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostAlewyn, on 08 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Thanks Puzzler.
Btw. A "civilization collapse" in Egypt because of a "drought", would imply that the Nile dried up.The source of the Nile is some 6500 km away in Central Africa.  Now add China, India, The Middle East, North America, etc., etc.

"comparatively limited geographical area" indeed!

Now add Europe... wait... nothing like that happened in Europe.

Europe was Fryan territory, and nothing, no multitude of erupting volcanoes, no submerging lands, no mountains crumbling, no mountains emerging, no 3 years of forest-fires, and no floods happening around 2200 BC.

That must suck, eh?

You must show us all here that Europe - Fryan territory - was devastated around 2200 BC.

You can not, because there is no scientific proof of that ever happening.

We have many archeologists here, digging at ancient places.

They never found anything even remotely similar to an OLB citadel.

OK, yes, they found those "ringwall burchts" but they date from Viking times.

Nothing is being hided, people dig, they post about what they find, and that's it.

If what they find and post about is not to your liking, then YOU have a problem, not them.



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Posted 08 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 March 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

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What 'conspiracy theory'?
Yours.
I don't have one.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 05:51 PM

View PostOtharus, on 08 March 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

I don't have one.

Then you don't know what a 'conspiracy theory' is.

But you sure have tried your best to portray the Dutch (= "Hollanders") as people who will do anything possible to hide 'true' Frisian history.

I have learned a lot about Frisians and their history during this thread, but I never portrayed them as 'evil'.

I have no reason to do that.

So why are you - in the 21th century- still trying to portray the "Hollanders" as evil beings?

Should I "hate" the Spanish, or the French, the Germans, or the Scandinavians?

That would be stupid, right?


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 06:38 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 March 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

But you sure have tried your best to portray the Dutch (= "Hollanders") as people who will do anything possible to hide 'true' Frisian history.
...
So why are you - in the 21th century- still trying to portray the "Hollanders" as evil beings?
You must be paranoid and/or delusional.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:39 PM

For the information of whoever is interested, here is some Dutch Royal genealogy, highlighting the Frisian connection.

Explanation:
* = birth, + = death
the parents of person X are always the number of X doubled (father) and doubled plus 1 (mother);
example: parents of
7 child
are:
14 father
15 mother

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

generation 1
1. Willem-Alexander C.G.F. von Amsberg, crown prince of the Netherlands *Utrecht 27.04.1967

generation 2
2. Klaus-Georg W.O.F.G. von Amsberg *Hitzacker 06.09.1926 +Amsterdam 06.10.2002
3. Beatrix W.A. van Lippe-Biesterfeld, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 31.01.1938

generation 3
4. Klaus F.F.L.G.A.J.A. von Amsberg *Rehna 01.09.1890 +Jasebeck 19.12.1953
5. Gösta J.A.M.M. von dem Bussche *Doberan 26.01.1902 +Hitzacker 13.06.1996
6. Bernhard L.F.E.J.K.K.G.P. zur Lippe von Biesterfeld *Jena 28.06.1911 +Utrecht 01.12.2004
7. Juliana L.E.M.W. von Mecklenburg, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 30.04.1909 +Soestdijk 20.03.2004

generation 4
8. Wilhelm K.F.A.L. von Amsberg *15.01.1856 Rostock PL +Bad Doberan 25.02.1929
9. Elise H.A. von Vieregge *21.01.1866 Steinhausen D +
10. Georg von dem Bussche Haddenhausen *Wien 11.05.1869 +Hitzacker 23.02.1923
11. Gabriele M.A.L. von dem Bussche-Ippenburg *Dresden 24.02.1877 +Hitzacker 28.06.1973
12. Bernhard K.F.G.H.W.E. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld *Oberkassel 26.08.1872 +München 19.06.1934
13. Armgard K.A.A.Oda von Cramm *Driburg 18.12.1883 +Diepenheim 27.04.1971
14. Heinrich V.A. von Mecklenburg *Schwerin 19.04.1876 +Den Haag 03.07.1934
15. Wilhelmina H.P.M. van Oranje-Nassau, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 31.08.1880 +Apeldoorn 28.11.1962

generation 5
24. Ernst K.F.K.E. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld *Oberkassel 09.06.1842 +Lopshorn 26.09.1904
25. Karoline F.C.K. von Wartensleben *Mannheim 06.04.1844 +Detmold 10.07.1905
26. Aschwin von Cramm *Löhndorf 29.03.1846 +Reckenwalde 14.10.1909
27. S.B.L.F. Hedwig von Sierstorpff *Münster 22.11.1848 +Hannover 10.01.1900
28. Friedrich F. zu Mecklenburg Schwerin *Ludwigslust 28.02.1823 +Schwerin 15.04.1883
29. Marie K.A. von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt *Raben Steinfeld 29.01.1850 +Den Haag 22.04.1922
30. Willem Alexander P.F.L. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *19.02.1817 Brüssel +23.11.1890 Apeldoorn
31. A.Emma W.T. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *Arolsen 02.08.1858 +Den Haag 20.03.1934

generation 6
56. Paul F. von Mecklenburg * 15.09.1800 Ludwigslust †07.03.1842 Schwerin
57. Friederike W.A.M.H. von Preußen, *Potsdam 23.02.1803 +Schwerin 21.04.1892
58. Adolf von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt (1801-1875)
59. Mathilda von Schönburg-Waldenburg (1826-1914)
60. Willem F.G.L. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *Den Haag 06.12.1792 +Tilburg 17.03.1849
61. Anna Paulowna van Rusland *Sint-Petersburg 18.01.1795 +Den Haag 01.03.1865
62. George V. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *Arolsen 14.01.1831 +Mariënbad 12.05.1893
63. Helena W.H.P.M. von Nassau-Weilburg *Wiesbaden 12.08.1831 +Arolsen 27.10.1888

generation 7
120. Willem F. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *Den Haag 24.08.1772 +Berlijn 12.12.1843
121. Frederica L.W. von Preußen *Potsdam 18.11.1774 +Den Haag 12.10.1837
122. Paul Petrovitsj, tsar of Russia *St.Petersburg 01.10.1754 +St.Petersburg 23.03.1801
123. Sophia D.A.L. von Württemberg *Szczecin 25.10.1759 +St.Petersburg 05.11.1828
124. Georg H. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *20.09.1789 Weil-am-Rhein +15.05.1845 Arolsen
125. Emma von Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym *20.05.1802 Schaumburg +01.08.1858 Pyrmont
126. G.Willem A.H.B. von Nassau-Weilburg *Kirchheimbolanden 14.06.1792 +Kissingen 30.08.1839
127. Pauline F.M. von Württemberg *Stuttgart 25.02.1810 +Wiesbaden 07.07.1856

generation 8
240. Willem "Batavus" van Oranje-Nassau, stadtholder of the Republic of United Netherlands *Den Haag 08.03.1748 +Brunswijk 09.04.1806
241. Frederica S.W. von Preußen *Berlijn 07.08.1751 +Apeldoorn 09.06.1820
242. Frederik W. von Preußen *Berlijn 25.09.1744 +Potsdam 16.11.1797
243. Frederika L. van Hessen-Darmstadt *Prenzlau 16.10.1751 +Berlijn 14.08.1805
244. Sergej Saltykov, lover of tsarina
245. Catharina Aleksejevna, tsarina of Russia *Stettin 02.05.1729 +Selo 17.11.1796)
246. Frederik E. van Württemberg *Stuttgart 21.01.1732 +Hohenheim 23.12.1797
247. Friederike D.S. van Brandenburg-Schwedt *Schwedt 18.12.1736 +Stuttgart 09.03.1798
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252. Frederik W. van Nassau-Weilburg *Den Haag 25.10.1768 +Weilburg 09.01.1816
253. L.Isabelle A.A. Sayn-Hachenburg-Kirchberg *Hachenburg 19.04.1772 +Wenen 06.01.1827

generation 9
480. Willem K.H.Friso van Oranje-Nassau, stadtholder of the Republic of United Provinces *Leeuwarden 01.09.1711 +Den Haag 22.10.1751
481. Anna von Hannover *Hannover 02.11.1709 +Den Haag 12.01.1759
482. August W. von Preußen *Berlijn 09.08.1722 +Oranienburg 12.06.1758
483. Louise A. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Bevern 29.01.1722 +Berlijn 23.01.1780
484. = 482.
485. = 483.
486. Lodewijk van Hessen-Darmstadt *Darmstadt 15.12.1719 +Pirmasens 06.04.1790
487. Henriëtte C.C.L. van Palts-Zweibrücken *Straatsburg 09.03.1721 +Darmstadt 30.03.1774
[...]
504. Karel C. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 16.01.1735 +Münster-Dreissen 28.11.1788
505. Carolina van Oranje-Nassau *Leeuwarden 28.02.1743 +Kirchheimbolanden 05.03.1787

generation 10
960. Johan W.Friso von Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland and Groningen *Dessau 04.08.1687 +Strijensas 14.07.1711
961. Maria Louise von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 07.02.1688 +Leeuwarden 09.04.1765
962. George August von Hannover, king of Great Brittain *Hannover 10.11.1683 +Londen 25.10.1760
963. Wilhelmina Charlotte Caroline von Brandenburg-Ansbach *Ansbach 01.03.1683 +Londen 20.11.1737
964. Frederik Willem von Preußen *Berlijn 14.08.1688 +Potsdam 31.05.1740
965. Sophia Dorothea von Hannover *Hannover 16.03.1687 +Berlijn 28.06.1757
966. Ferdinand Albrecht von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Bevern 29.05.1680 +Salzdahlum 13.09.1735
967. Antoinette Amalia von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *22.04.1696 +06.03.1762
[...]
1 008. Karel A. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 17.09.1685 +Weilburg 09.11.1753
1 009. Augusta F. van Nassau-Idstein *27.08.1699 +1750 Weilburg
1 010. = 480.
1 011. = 481.

generation 11
1 920. Hendrik C. van Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland and Groningen *Den Haag 18.01.1657 +Leeuwarden 25.03.1696
1 921. Henriëtte A.M. von Anhalt-Dessau *Kleef 16.08.1666 +Oraniënstein 18.04.1726
1 922. Karel von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 03.08.1654 +Kassel 23.03.1730
1 923. Maria A. von Koerland (1653-1711)
1 924. George L. von Hannover, king of Great Brittain *Hannover 28.03.1660 +Osnabrück 10.06.1727
1 925. Sophia D. de Celle *Celle 15.09.1666 +Ahlden 13.11.1726
1 926. Johan F. von Brandenburg-Ansbach *Ansbach 08.10.1654 +Ansbach 22.03.1686
1 927. Eleonora E.L. von Saksen-Eisenach *Friedewald 13.04.1662 +Pretzsch 09.09.1696
[...]
2 016. Johan E. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 13.06.1664 +Heidelberg 27.02.1719
2 017. Maria Polyxena van Leiningen-Dachsburg-Hartenburg
2 018. George A.S. van Nassau-Idstein *Idstein 26.02.1665 +Biebrich 26.10.1721
2 019. Henriette D. van Oettingen-Oettingen

generation 12
3 840. Willem F. van Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe *Arnhem 07.08.1613 +Leeuwarden 31.10.1664
3 841. Albertine A. van Nassau *Den Haag 09.04.1634 +Oranjewoud FR 24.05.1696
3 842. Johan G. von Anhalt-Dessau *Dessau 17.11.1627 +Berlijn 07.08.1693
3 843. Henriëtte C. van Nassau *Den Haag 10.02.1637 +Oranienbaum 03.11.1708
3 844. Willem von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 23.05.1629 +Haina 16.07.1663
3 845. Hedwig S. von Brandenburg *Berlijn 14.07.1623 +Schmalkalden 26.06.1683
3 846. Jacob Kettler *Goldingen 28.10.1610 +Mitau 01.01.1682
3 847. Louise C. von Brandenburg *Berlijn 13.09.1617 +Mitau 29.08.1676
[...]
4 032. Frederik van Nassau-Weilburg *Metz 26.04.1640 +08.09.1675
4 033. Christina E. van Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg
[...]
4 036. Johan van Nassau-Idstein *Saarbrücken 24.11.1603 +Idstein 22.05.1677
4 037. Anna van Leiningen-Dagsburg (1625-1688)

generation 13
7 680. Ernst C. von Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe *Dillenburg 22.12.1573 +Roermond 02.06.1632
7 681. Sophia H. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Wolfenbüttel 20.02.1594 +Arnhem 23.01.1642
7 682. Frederik H. van Oranje, Stadhouder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Overijsel and Groningen *Delft 29.01.1584 +Den Haag 14.03.1647
7 683. Amalia von Solms *Braunfels 31.08.1602 +Den Haag 08.09.1675
7 684. Johan C. von Anhalt-Dessau *Dessau 07.12.1596 +Dessau 15.07.1660
7 685. Agnes von Hessen-Kassel (1606-1650)
7 686. = 7682.
7 687. = 7683.
[...]
8 064. Ernst C. van Nassau-Weilburg *Saarbrücken 15.11.1607 +Weilburg 1655
8 065. Maria van Sayn-Wittgenstein (1610-1656)
[...]
8 072. Lodewijk van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 09.058.1565 +Saarbrücken 08.11.1627
8 073. Anna M. van Hessen-Kassel (1567-1626)

generation 14
15 360. Jan von Nassau *Dillenburg 22.11.1536 +Dillenburg 08.10.1606
15 361. Elisabeth von Leuchtenberg *1537 +Dillenburg 06.07.1579
15 362. Hendrik J. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Wolfenbüttel 15.10.1564 +Praag 20.07.1613
15 363. Elisabeth van Denemarken (1573-1625)
15 364. Willem van Oranje, stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland and Utrecht *Dillenburg 24.04.1533 +Delft 10.07.1584
15 365. Louise de Coligny *Châtillon-sur-Loing 23.09.1555 +Fontainebleau 13.11.1620
15 366. Johan A. von Solms-Braunfels
15 367. Agnes von Sayn-Wittgenstein
[...]
16 128. = 8 072.
16 129. = 8 073.
[...]
16 144. Albrecht van Nassau-Weilburg-Saarbrücken *Weilburg 26.06.1537 +Ottweiler 11.11.1593
16 145. Anna van Nassau-Dillenburg *Dillenburg 21.09.1541 +Weilburg 12.02.1616

generation 15
30 720. Willem von Nassau *Dillenburg 10.04.1487 +Dillenburg 06.10.1559
30 721. Juliana zu Stolberg *Stolberg 15.02.1506 +Dillenburg 18.06.1580
30 722. Georg von Leuchtenberg *13.12.1502 +21.05.1555
30 723. Barbara von Brandenburg-Ansbach-Kulmbach *24.09.1495 Ansbach +23.09.1552 Karlsbad
30 724. Julius von Brunswijk-Lüneburg *Wolfenbüttel 29.06.1528 +Wolfenb. 03.05.1589
30 725. Hedwig von Brandenburg (1540-1602)
30 726. Frederik, king of Denmark *Haderslev 01.07.1534 +Antvorskov 04.04.1588
30 727. Sophia von Mecklenburg-Güstrow *04.09.1557 +14.10.1631
30 728. = 30720.
30 729. = 30721.
[...]
32 288. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilnau 20.09.1504 +Weilburg 04.10.1559
32 289. Anna van Mansfeld (1520-1537)
32 290. = 30 720.
32 291. = 30 721.

generation 16
61 440. Jan van Nassau *Breda 09.11.1455 +Dillenburg 30.07.1516
61 441. Elisabeth von Hessen-Marburg *Marburg 1466 +Keulen 1523
61 442. Botho von Stolberg-Wernigerode *Stolberg 04.01.1467 +Stolberg 12.06.1538
61 443. Anna von Eppstein-Königstein *Königstein 1481 +Stolberg 07.08.1538
61 444. Johann von Leuchtenberg *1470 Pfreimd +01.09.1531 Grünsfeld
61 445. Margareta von Schwarzburg +1518
61 446. Friedrich von Brandenburg *08.05.1460 Ansbach +04.04.1536 Ansbach
61 447. Sofia Jagiellonica of Poland *06.05.1464 Krakau Poland +05.10.1512
[...]
64 576. Lodewijk van Nassau-Weilburg *1473 +28.05.1523
64 577. Margaretha van Nassau-Wiesbaden (1487-1548)

generation 17
122 880. Jan von Nassau *Dillenburg 01.08.1410 +Dillenburg 03.02.1475
122 881. Maria von Loon-Heinsberg *1426 +20.04.1502
122 882. Hendrik von Hessen *ca.1440 +13.01.1483 Marburg
122 883. Anna von Katzenelnbogen *05.09.1443 +16.02.1494
122 884. Hendrik von Stolberg
122 885. Margaretha von Mansfeld
122 886. Filips von Eppenstein
122 887. Louise de la Marck
[...]
129 152. Johan van Nassau-Weilburg *27.06.1441 +15.07.1480
129 153. Elisabeth de Schone
129 154. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *10.11.1443 +06.07.1511
129 155. Margaretha van Hanau-Lichtenberg

generation 18
245 760. Engelbrecht von Nassau *Dillenburg ca.1375 +Breda 03.05.1442
245 761. Johanna van Polanen *10.01.1392 +Breda 15.05.1445
245 762. Johan van Loon-Heinsberg *1360 +24.01.1438
245 763. Anna Margarethe von Solms-Braunfels *1390 +25.11.1433
245 764. Lodewijk von Hessen (1402-1458)
245 765. Anna von Saksen
245 766. Philipp von Katzenelnbogen (1402-1479)
245 767. Anna von Württemberg (1408-1471)
[...]
258 304. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg *14.03.1418 +Mainz 19.03.1492
258 305. Margaretha van Loon
[...]
258 308. Johan van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1419 +09.05.1480
258 309. Maria van Nassau-Dillenburg (1418-1472)

generation 19
491 520. Johan von Nassau *1339 +Herborn 04.09.1416
491 521. Margaretha van der Marck *ca.1345 +29.09.1409
491 522. Jan van Polanen *1340 +10.08.1394
491 523. Odilia von Salm-Ravenstein *ca.1370 +22.06.1428
491 524. Godfried van Loon-Heinsberg (1325-1395)
491 525. Filippa van Gulik *1320 +24.08.1390
491 526. Otto van Solms *1340 +15.03.1409
491 527. Agnes van Falkenstein *1355 +01.09.1409
[...]
516 608. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg-Saarbrücken *Saarbrücken 1368 +Wiesbaden 02.07.1429
516 609. Isabella van Lotharingen (1397-1455)
[...]
516 616. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1386 +16.07.1426
516 617. Margaretha van Baden-Baden (1404-1442)
516 618. = 245 760.
516 619. = 245 761.

generation 20
983 040. Otto von Nassau (1305-1350)
983 041. Adelheid van Vianden *Grimbergen 1309 +1376
983 042. Adolf van der Mark (?-1347)
983 043. Margaretha van Kleef (?-1341)
983 044. Jan van Polanen *ca.1325 +Breda 03.11.1378
983 045. Oda van Horne-Altena (1318-1353)
983 046. Johan II von Salm Obersalm Ardennen (1310-1381)
983 047. Philippa van Valkenburg *1340 Sittard +28.08.1355 Sittard
[...]
1 033 216. Johan van Nassau-Weilburg (1309 - 1371)
1 033 217. Johanna van Saarbrücken (?-1390)
[...]
1 033 232. Walram van Nassau-Wiesbaden *1354 +07.11.1393
1 033 233. Bertha van Westerburg

generation 21
1 966 080. Hendrik von Nassau (ca.1270-1343)
1 966 081. Adelheid van Heisburg en Blankenberg (1280-1347)
1 966 082. Filips van Vianden *Vianden ca.1280 +ca.1315
1 966 083. Lucia van de Neuerburg (1275-?)
1 966 084. Engelbert van der Mark (1275-1328)
1 966 085. Mathildis van Aremberg
1 966 086. Diederik van Kleef (1291-1347)
1 966 087. Margaretha van Gelre (?-1333)
[...]
2 066 432. Gerlach van Nassau * before 1288 +07.01.1361
2 066 433. Agnes van Hessen
[...]
2 066 464. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1307 +17.01.1370
2 066 465. Margaretha van Hohenzollern-Neurenberg *ca.1315 +München 19.09.1377

generation 22
3 932 160. Otto von Nassau (ca.1225-1289)
3 932 161. Agnès von Leiningen-Saarbrücken? *ca.1232 +1299 Altenberg
[...]
3 932 164. Godfried van Vianden (?-1310)
3 932 165. Aleidis van Oudenaarde
[...]
4 132 864. Adolf van Nassau, king of the 'holy' Roman empire *1250 +Göllheim 02.07.1298
4 132 865. Imagina van Isenburg-Limburg *ca. 1255 +Wiesbaden 29.09.1318
[...]
4 132 928. = 2 066 432.
4 132 929. = 2 066 433.

generation 23
7 864 320. Hendrik von Nassau (ca.1190-ca.1247)
7 864 321. Machteld van Gelre (1190-1247)
7 864 322. Emich von Leiningen (ca.1215-1281)
7 864 323. Elisabeth d'Aspremont (ca.1218-ca.1264)
[...]
8 264 328. Walram van Nassau (ca.1220-ca.1276)
8 264 329. Adelheid van Katzenelnbogen
8 264 330. Gerlach van Isenburg-Limburg
8 264 331. Imagina van Blieskastel

generation 24
15 728 640. Walram von Nassau (ca.1146 +01.02.1198)
15 728 641. Kunigunde van Ziegenhain
15 728 642. Otto van Gelre *ca.1150 +25.08.1207
15 728 643. Richarda von Wittelsbach *Kelheim 1173 +Roermond 07.12.1231
15 728 644. Friedrich von Leiningen (1185-1237)
15 728 645. Agnes von Eberstein (ca.1180-1251)
15 728 646. Gottfried d'Apremont (?-1250)
15 728 647. Laurette of Saarbrücken *1238 Saarbrücken +24.09.1271
[...]
16 528 656. = 7 864 320.
16 528 657. = 7 864 321.
16 528 658. Diether von Katzenelnbogen +1245
16 528 659. Hildegunde von Eberstein
16 528 660. Heinrich von Isenburg (?-1227)
16 528 661.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:14 PM

View PostOtharus, on 08 March 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

You must be paranoid and/or delusional.

You sure have a habit of calling people names.

And with 'people' I - of course - mean those who do not believe in the OLB.

Oh, and btw: you live in La-la-land.

Well, just to get even.

And what are YOU on??

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:16 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 08 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

Excellent post Alewyn.


:lol:

I do hope you loved Swede's reply as much as you loved Alewyn's post.

I think you didn't; he is just too well informed.

And also too polite.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:30 PM

View PostOtharus, on 08 March 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

For the information of whoever is interested, here is some Dutch Royal genealogy, highlighting the Frisian connection.

< skip >


No one is interested in that long and winding list, Otharus.

I have posted about "Friso" the son of the Queen of the Netherlands who is now almost dead after his skiing accident.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:53 PM

Who knows the meaning of ULK ?

MS 38, line 03 (P. 54):Thêr thrvch ne thuradon hja nên strid wither an to spinnande. Nv skolde aejder wâna, thaet hja vral-et folk to hâpe hropen hêde vmbe vs algadur to-t land ut to driwande. Nêan an stêde fon hja to bihluda gvngon hja allerwêikes, âk to tha hêinde Krêkalana til tha Alpa ut to kêthane, thaet et thene allervrste drochten hâgth hêde sin wisa toghater Min-erva, to nômth Nyhellênia êmong tha maenniska to sendane in overa sê mith-en ulk, vmbe tha manniska gode rêd to jêvane aend that allermannalik, thêr hja hêra wilde, rik aend lukich skolde wertha, aend ênis bâs skolde wertha ovir alle kêningkrik irtha.s. Hira byldnese staeldon hja vppe hjara aeltaerum, jeftha hja vrsellade-t anda dvma maenniska.

Ottema translates wolk (cloud), but it makes no sense.
I think it was a horn or shell  (h-ulk ?) to make one's voice louder as used on ships, so that commands are heard nevertheless the noise of wind and waves. An attribute of Minerva is a flute, which comes close. This flute (vuvuzela) is used by stockmen, shepherds. We meet the sheep in the story of Nyhellenia (= Minerva). The horn (toethoorn) is also used during the Maifest (pag. 130).

The problem with Ottema was, that he didn't know about marine terminology, so he asked Cornelis over de Linden to explain marine items.The Halbertsma's used to sail (skutjesilen) on the lakes between Grouw and Sneek.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:52 AM

View PostOtharus, on 08 March 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

For the information of whoever is interested, here is some Dutch Royal genealogy, highlighting the Frisian connection.

Explanation:
* = birth, + = death
the parents of person X are always the number of X doubled (father) and doubled plus 1 (mother);
example: parents of
7 child
are:
14 father
15 mother

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

generation 1
1. Willem-Alexander C.G.F. von Amsberg, crown prince of the Netherlands *Utrecht 27.04.1967

generation 2
2. Klaus-Georg W.O.F.G. von Amsberg *Hitzacker 06.09.1926 +Amsterdam 06.10.2002
3. Beatrix W.A. van Lippe-Biesterfeld, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 31.01.1938

generation 3
4. Klaus F.F.L.G.A.J.A. von Amsberg *Rehna 01.09.1890 +Jasebeck 19.12.1953
5. Gösta J.A.M.M. von dem Bussche *Doberan 26.01.1902 +Hitzacker 13.06.1996
6. Bernhard L.F.E.J.K.K.G.P. zur Lippe von Biesterfeld *Jena 28.06.1911 +Utrecht 01.12.2004
7. Juliana L.E.M.W. von Mecklenburg, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 30.04.1909 +Soestdijk 20.03.2004

generation 4
8. Wilhelm K.F.A.L. von Amsberg *15.01.1856 Rostock PL +Bad Doberan 25.02.1929
9. Elise H.A. von Vieregge *21.01.1866 Steinhausen D +
10. Georg von dem Bussche Haddenhausen *Wien 11.05.1869 +Hitzacker 23.02.1923
11. Gabriele M.A.L. von dem Bussche-Ippenburg *Dresden 24.02.1877 +Hitzacker 28.06.1973
12. Bernhard K.F.G.H.W.E. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld *Oberkassel 26.08.1872 +München 19.06.1934
13. Armgard K.A.A.Oda von Cramm *Driburg 18.12.1883 +Diepenheim 27.04.1971
14. Heinrich V.A. von Mecklenburg *Schwerin 19.04.1876 +Den Haag 03.07.1934
15. Wilhelmina H.P.M. van Oranje-Nassau, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 31.08.1880 +Apeldoorn 28.11.1962

generation 5
24. Ernst K.F.K.E. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld *Oberkassel 09.06.1842 +Lopshorn 26.09.1904
25. Karoline F.C.K. von Wartensleben *Mannheim 06.04.1844 +Detmold 10.07.1905
26. Aschwin von Cramm *Löhndorf 29.03.1846 +Reckenwalde 14.10.1909
27. S.B.L.F. Hedwig von Sierstorpff *Münster 22.11.1848 +Hannover 10.01.1900
28. Friedrich F. zu Mecklenburg Schwerin *Ludwigslust 28.02.1823 +Schwerin 15.04.1883
29. Marie K.A. von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt *Raben Steinfeld 29.01.1850 +Den Haag 22.04.1922
30. Willem Alexander P.F.L. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *19.02.1817 Brüssel +23.11.1890 Apeldoorn
31. A.Emma W.T. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *Arolsen 02.08.1858 +Den Haag 20.03.1934

generation 6
56. Paul F. von Mecklenburg * 15.09.1800 Ludwigslust †07.03.1842 Schwerin
57. Friederike W.A.M.H. von Preußen, *Potsdam 23.02.1803 +Schwerin 21.04.1892
58. Adolf von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt (1801-1875)
59. Mathilda von Schönburg-Waldenburg (1826-1914)
60. Willem F.G.L. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *Den Haag 06.12.1792 +Tilburg 17.03.1849
61. Anna Paulowna van Rusland *Sint-Petersburg 18.01.1795 +Den Haag 01.03.1865
62. George V. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *Arolsen 14.01.1831 +Mariënbad 12.05.1893
63. Helena W.H.P.M. von Nassau-Weilburg *Wiesbaden 12.08.1831 +Arolsen 27.10.1888

generation 7
120. Willem F. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *Den Haag 24.08.1772 +Berlijn 12.12.1843
121. Frederica L.W. von Preußen *Potsdam 18.11.1774 +Den Haag 12.10.1837
122. Paul Petrovitsj, tsar of Russia *St.Petersburg 01.10.1754 +St.Petersburg 23.03.1801
123. Sophia D.A.L. von Württemberg *Szczecin 25.10.1759 +St.Petersburg 05.11.1828
124. Georg H. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *20.09.1789 Weil-am-Rhein +15.05.1845 Arolsen
125. Emma von Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym *20.05.1802 Schaumburg +01.08.1858 Pyrmont
126. G.Willem A.H.B. von Nassau-Weilburg *Kirchheimbolanden 14.06.1792 +Kissingen 30.08.1839
127. Pauline F.M. von Württemberg *Stuttgart 25.02.1810 +Wiesbaden 07.07.1856

generation 8
240. Willem "Batavus" van Oranje-Nassau, stadtholder of the Republic of United Netherlands *Den Haag 08.03.1748 +Brunswijk 09.04.1806
241. Frederica S.W. von Preußen *Berlijn 07.08.1751 +Apeldoorn 09.06.1820
242. Frederik W. von Preußen *Berlijn 25.09.1744 +Potsdam 16.11.1797
243. Frederika L. van Hessen-Darmstadt *Prenzlau 16.10.1751 +Berlijn 14.08.1805
244. Sergej Saltykov, lover of tsarina
245. Catharina Aleksejevna, tsarina of Russia *Stettin 02.05.1729 +Selo 17.11.1796)
246. Frederik E. van Württemberg *Stuttgart 21.01.1732 +Hohenheim 23.12.1797
247. Friederike D.S. van Brandenburg-Schwedt *Schwedt 18.12.1736 +Stuttgart 09.03.1798
[...]
252. Frederik W. van Nassau-Weilburg *Den Haag 25.10.1768 +Weilburg 09.01.1816
253. L.Isabelle A.A. Sayn-Hachenburg-Kirchberg *Hachenburg 19.04.1772 +Wenen 06.01.1827

generation 9
480. Willem K.H.Friso van Oranje-Nassau, stadtholder of the Republic of United Provinces *Leeuwarden 01.09.1711 +Den Haag 22.10.1751
481. Anna von Hannover *Hannover 02.11.1709 +Den Haag 12.01.1759
482. August W. von Preußen *Berlijn 09.08.1722 +Oranienburg 12.06.1758
483. Louise A. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Bevern 29.01.1722 +Berlijn 23.01.1780
484. = 482.
485. = 483.
486. Lodewijk van Hessen-Darmstadt *Darmstadt 15.12.1719 +Pirmasens 06.04.1790
487. Henriëtte C.C.L. van Palts-Zweibrücken *Straatsburg 09.03.1721 +Darmstadt 30.03.1774
[...]
504. Karel C. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 16.01.1735 +Münster-Dreissen 28.11.1788
505. Carolina van Oranje-Nassau *Leeuwarden 28.02.1743 +Kirchheimbolanden 05.03.1787

generation 10
960. Johan W.Friso von Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland and Groningen *Dessau 04.08.1687 +Strijensas 14.07.1711
961. Maria Louise von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 07.02.1688 +Leeuwarden 09.04.1765
962. George August von Hannover, king of Great Brittain *Hannover 10.11.1683 +Londen 25.10.1760
963. Wilhelmina Charlotte Caroline von Brandenburg-Ansbach *Ansbach 01.03.1683 +Londen 20.11.1737
964. Frederik Willem von Preußen *Berlijn 14.08.1688 +Potsdam 31.05.1740
965. Sophia Dorothea von Hannover *Hannover 16.03.1687 +Berlijn 28.06.1757
966. Ferdinand Albrecht von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Bevern 29.05.1680 +Salzdahlum 13.09.1735
967. Antoinette Amalia von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *22.04.1696 +06.03.1762
[...]
1 008. Karel A. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 17.09.1685 +Weilburg 09.11.1753
1 009. Augusta F. van Nassau-Idstein *27.08.1699 +1750 Weilburg
1 010. = 480.
1 011. = 481.

generation 11
1 920. Hendrik C. van Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland and Groningen *Den Haag 18.01.1657 +Leeuwarden 25.03.1696
1 921. Henriëtte A.M. von Anhalt-Dessau *Kleef 16.08.1666 +Oraniënstein 18.04.1726
1 922. Karel von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 03.08.1654 +Kassel 23.03.1730
1 923. Maria A. von Koerland (1653-1711)
1 924. George L. von Hannover, king of Great Brittain *Hannover 28.03.1660 +Osnabrück 10.06.1727
1 925. Sophia D. de Celle *Celle 15.09.1666 +Ahlden 13.11.1726
1 926. Johan F. von Brandenburg-Ansbach *Ansbach 08.10.1654 +Ansbach 22.03.1686
1 927. Eleonora E.L. von Saksen-Eisenach *Friedewald 13.04.1662 +Pretzsch 09.09.1696
[...]
2 016. Johan E. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 13.06.1664 +Heidelberg 27.02.1719
2 017. Maria Polyxena van Leiningen-Dachsburg-Hartenburg
2 018. George A.S. van Nassau-Idstein *Idstein 26.02.1665 +Biebrich 26.10.1721
2 019. Henriette D. van Oettingen-Oettingen

generation 12
3 840. Willem F. van Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe *Arnhem 07.08.1613 +Leeuwarden 31.10.1664
3 841. Albertine A. van Nassau *Den Haag 09.04.1634 +Oranjewoud FR 24.05.1696
3 842. Johan G. von Anhalt-Dessau *Dessau 17.11.1627 +Berlijn 07.08.1693
3 843. Henriëtte C. van Nassau *Den Haag 10.02.1637 +Oranienbaum 03.11.1708
3 844. Willem von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 23.05.1629 +Haina 16.07.1663
3 845. Hedwig S. von Brandenburg *Berlijn 14.07.1623 +Schmalkalden 26.06.1683
3 846. Jacob Kettler *Goldingen 28.10.1610 +Mitau 01.01.1682
3 847. Louise C. von Brandenburg *Berlijn 13.09.1617 +Mitau 29.08.1676
[...]
4 032. Frederik van Nassau-Weilburg *Metz 26.04.1640 +08.09.1675
4 033. Christina E. van Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg
[...]
4 036. Johan van Nassau-Idstein *Saarbrücken 24.11.1603 +Idstein 22.05.1677
4 037. Anna van Leiningen-Dagsburg (1625-1688)

generation 13
7 680. Ernst C. von Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe *Dillenburg 22.12.1573 +Roermond 02.06.1632
7 681. Sophia H. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Wolfenbüttel 20.02.1594 +Arnhem 23.01.1642
7 682. Frederik H. van Oranje, Stadhouder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Overijsel and Groningen *Delft 29.01.1584 +Den Haag 14.03.1647
7 683. Amalia von Solms *Braunfels 31.08.1602 +Den Haag 08.09.1675
7 684. Johan C. von Anhalt-Dessau *Dessau 07.12.1596 +Dessau 15.07.1660
7 685. Agnes von Hessen-Kassel (1606-1650)
7 686. = 7682.
7 687. = 7683.
[...]
8 064. Ernst C. van Nassau-Weilburg *Saarbrücken 15.11.1607 +Weilburg 1655
8 065. Maria van Sayn-Wittgenstein (1610-1656)
[...]
8 072. Lodewijk van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 09.058.1565 +Saarbrücken 08.11.1627
8 073. Anna M. van Hessen-Kassel (1567-1626)

generation 14
15 360. Jan von Nassau *Dillenburg 22.11.1536 +Dillenburg 08.10.1606
15 361. Elisabeth von Leuchtenberg *1537 +Dillenburg 06.07.1579
15 362. Hendrik J. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Wolfenbüttel 15.10.1564 +Praag 20.07.1613
15 363. Elisabeth van Denemarken (1573-1625)
15 364. Willem van Oranje, stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland and Utrecht *Dillenburg 24.04.1533 +Delft 10.07.1584
15 365. Louise de Coligny *Châtillon-sur-Loing 23.09.1555 +Fontainebleau 13.11.1620
15 366. Johan A. von Solms-Braunfels
15 367. Agnes von Sayn-Wittgenstein
[...]
16 128. = 8 072.
16 129. = 8 073.
[...]
16 144. Albrecht van Nassau-Weilburg-Saarbrücken *Weilburg 26.06.1537 +Ottweiler 11.11.1593
16 145. Anna van Nassau-Dillenburg *Dillenburg 21.09.1541 +Weilburg 12.02.1616

generation 15
30 720. Willem von Nassau *Dillenburg 10.04.1487 +Dillenburg 06.10.1559
30 721. Juliana zu Stolberg *Stolberg 15.02.1506 +Dillenburg 18.06.1580
30 722. Georg von Leuchtenberg *13.12.1502 +21.05.1555
30 723. Barbara von Brandenburg-Ansbach-Kulmbach *24.09.1495 Ansbach +23.09.1552 Karlsbad
30 724. Julius von Brunswijk-Lüneburg *Wolfenbüttel 29.06.1528 +Wolfenb. 03.05.1589
30 725. Hedwig von Brandenburg (1540-1602)
30 726. Frederik, king of Denmark *Haderslev 01.07.1534 +Antvorskov 04.04.1588
30 727. Sophia von Mecklenburg-Güstrow *04.09.1557 +14.10.1631
30 728. = 30720.
30 729. = 30721.
[...]
32 288. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilnau 20.09.1504 +Weilburg 04.10.1559
32 289. Anna van Mansfeld (1520-1537)
32 290. = 30 720.
32 291. = 30 721.

generation 16
61 440. Jan van Nassau *Breda 09.11.1455 +Dillenburg 30.07.1516
61 441. Elisabeth von Hessen-Marburg *Marburg 1466 +Keulen 1523
61 442. Botho von Stolberg-Wernigerode *Stolberg 04.01.1467 +Stolberg 12.06.1538
61 443. Anna von Eppstein-Königstein *Königstein 1481 +Stolberg 07.08.1538
61 444. Johann von Leuchtenberg *1470 Pfreimd +01.09.1531 Grünsfeld
61 445. Margareta von Schwarzburg +1518
61 446. Friedrich von Brandenburg *08.05.1460 Ansbach +04.04.1536 Ansbach
61 447. Sofia Jagiellonica of Poland *06.05.1464 Krakau Poland +05.10.1512
[...]
64 576. Lodewijk van Nassau-Weilburg *1473 +28.05.1523
64 577. Margaretha van Nassau-Wiesbaden (1487-1548)

generation 17
122 880. Jan von Nassau *Dillenburg 01.08.1410 +Dillenburg 03.02.1475
122 881. Maria von Loon-Heinsberg *1426 +20.04.1502
122 882. Hendrik von Hessen *ca.1440 +13.01.1483 Marburg
122 883. Anna von Katzenelnbogen *05.09.1443 +16.02.1494
122 884. Hendrik von Stolberg
122 885. Margaretha von Mansfeld
122 886. Filips von Eppenstein
122 887. Louise de la Marck
[...]
129 152. Johan van Nassau-Weilburg *27.06.1441 +15.07.1480
129 153. Elisabeth de Schone
129 154. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *10.11.1443 +06.07.1511
129 155. Margaretha van Hanau-Lichtenberg

generation 18
245 760. Engelbrecht von Nassau *Dillenburg ca.1375 +Breda 03.05.1442
245 761. Johanna van Polanen *10.01.1392 +Breda 15.05.1445
245 762. Johan van Loon-Heinsberg *1360 +24.01.1438
245 763. Anna Margarethe von Solms-Braunfels *1390 +25.11.1433
245 764. Lodewijk von Hessen (1402-1458)
245 765. Anna von Saksen
245 766. Philipp von Katzenelnbogen (1402-1479)
245 767. Anna von Württemberg (1408-1471)
[...]
258 304. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg *14.03.1418 +Mainz 19.03.1492
258 305. Margaretha van Loon
[...]
258 308. Johan van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1419 +09.05.1480
258 309. Maria van Nassau-Dillenburg (1418-1472)

generation 19
491 520. Johan von Nassau *1339 +Herborn 04.09.1416
491 521. Margaretha van der Marck *ca.1345 +29.09.1409
491 522. Jan van Polanen *1340 +10.08.1394
491 523. Odilia von Salm-Ravenstein *ca.1370 +22.06.1428
491 524. Godfried van Loon-Heinsberg (1325-1395)
491 525. Filippa van Gulik *1320 +24.08.1390
491 526. Otto van Solms *1340 +15.03.1409
491 527. Agnes van Falkenstein *1355 +01.09.1409
[...]
516 608. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg-Saarbrücken *Saarbrücken 1368 +Wiesbaden 02.07.1429
516 609. Isabella van Lotharingen (1397-1455)
[...]
516 616. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1386 +16.07.1426
516 617. Margaretha van Baden-Baden (1404-1442)
516 618. = 245 760.
516 619. = 245 761.

generation 20
983 040. Otto von Nassau (1305-1350)
983 041. Adelheid van Vianden *Grimbergen 1309 +1376
983 042. Adolf van der Mark (?-1347)
983 043. Margaretha van Kleef (?-1341)
983 044. Jan van Polanen *ca.1325 +Breda 03.11.1378
983 045. Oda van Horne-Altena (1318-1353)
983 046. Johan II von Salm Obersalm Ardennen (1310-1381)
983 047. Philippa van Valkenburg *1340 Sittard +28.08.1355 Sittard
[...]
1 033 216. Johan van Nassau-Weilburg (1309 - 1371)
1 033 217. Johanna van Saarbrücken (?-1390)
[...]
1 033 232. Walram van Nassau-Wiesbaden *1354 +07.11.1393
1 033 233. Bertha van Westerburg

generation 21
1 966 080. Hendrik von Nassau (ca.1270-1343)
1 966 081. Adelheid van Heisburg en Blankenberg (1280-1347)
1 966 082. Filips van Vianden *Vianden ca.1280 +ca.1315
1 966 083. Lucia van de Neuerburg (1275-?)
1 966 084. Engelbert van der Mark (1275-1328)
1 966 085. Mathildis van Aremberg
1 966 086. Diederik van Kleef (1291-1347)
1 966 087. Margaretha van Gelre (?-1333)
[...]
2 066 432. Gerlach van Nassau * before 1288 +07.01.1361
2 066 433. Agnes van Hessen
[...]
2 066 464. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1307 +17.01.1370
2 066 465. Margaretha van Hohenzollern-Neurenberg *ca.1315 +München 19.09.1377

generation 22
3 932 160. Otto von Nassau (ca.1225-1289)
3 932 161. Agnès von Leiningen-Saarbrücken? *ca.1232 +1299 Altenberg
[...]
3 932 164. Godfried van Vianden (?-1310)
3 932 165. Aleidis van Oudenaarde
[...]
4 132 864. Adolf van Nassau, king of the 'holy' Roman empire *1250 +Göllheim 02.07.1298
4 132 865. Imagina van Isenburg-Limburg *ca. 1255 +Wiesbaden 29.09.1318
[...]
4 132 928. = 2 066 432.
4 132 929. = 2 066 433.

generation 23
7 864 320. Hendrik von Nassau (ca.1190-ca.1247)
7 864 321. Machteld van Gelre (1190-1247)
7 864 322. Emich von Leiningen (ca.1215-1281)
7 864 323. Elisabeth d'Aspremont (ca.1218-ca.1264)
[...]
8 264 328. Walram van Nassau (ca.1220-ca.1276)
8 264 329. Adelheid van Katzenelnbogen
8 264 330. Gerlach van Isenburg-Limburg
8 264 331. Imagina van Blieskastel

generation 24
15 728 640. Walram von Nassau (ca.1146 +01.02.1198)
15 728 641. Kunigunde van Ziegenhain
15 728 642. Otto van Gelre *ca.1150 +25.08.1207
15 728 643. Richarda von Wittelsbach *Kelheim 1173 +Roermond 07.12.1231
15 728 644. Friedrich von Leiningen (1185-1237)
15 728 645. Agnes von Eberstein (ca.1180-1251)
15 728 646. Gottfried d'Apremont (?-1250)
15 728 647. Laurette of Saarbrücken *1238 Saarbrücken +24.09.1271
[...]
16 528 656. = 7 864 320.
16 528 657. = 7 864 321.
16 528 658. Diether von Katzenelnbogen +1245
16 528 659. Hildegunde von Eberstein
16 528 660. Heinrich von Isenburg (?-1227)
16 528 661.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 02:50 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 March 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

I do hope you loved Swede's reply as much as you loved Alewyn's post.

I think you didn't; he is just too well informed.

And also too polite.


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Swede's only as informed as the most recent scholastic decisions are made, which are not always correct and of which, many are only guesses. His posts lack imagination and feeling, no, I liked Alewyn's much better.

And Otharus, what are you trying to prove? That picture is terrible, it's giving me the creeps.

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