There are only two persons from the Netherlands who are participating in this debate: you and Abramelin. You seem to be convinced that the OLB is authentic and Abramelin is convinced it is a hoax. Puzzler from Australia also appears to think that the OLB could well be true.
The “silence” I am referring to are those from the Netherlands who must be following this debate, but do not say anything.
Here I am, a foreigner, trying to convince the world that the Frisians in particular, and the Netherlands at large have a very rich and proud history. Yet, Abramelin disagrees with everything and anything I say and continuously ridicule every argument and all the evidence I give. The silent onlookers, for their part, don’t give a damn.
Just one example: The Middle Sea, the Balda Sea and the Aster Sea:
The evidence I gave in posts 1361 & 1369 shows unquestionably that the “Middel Sea” is the Mediterranean and the “Balda Sea” is the Baltic. Any rational person will agree to this. Abramelin, however, continue to say that the Middel Sea is somewhere near the Netherlands, without any proof but his “gut feel”. Yet, this lame reasoning goes unchallenged.
As for the Aster Sea, the OLB states very clearly:
1. They inhabited both banks and the full length of the Rhine river, i.e. right up to Switzerland,
2. Scandinavia was part of their country – they had a burghmaid in Gothahisburg (Gothenburg),
3. Spain (Cadiz) was part of their country – they had a burghmaid there,
4. They had factories in Italy,
5. Even Greece was part of their country before the 2193 BC disaster,
6. They had factories in North Africa,
7. They had a penal colony (and a burghmaid) in Britain, and
8. The 12 large rivers of Europe were all part of their land.
How on earth then can anybody say that their Eastern Boundary was the Baltic?
If I was trying to belittle the Dutch and the Frisians, I could have understood the response I am getting, but this is totally ridiculous.
Could you please check the map I created according to your conviction that the Middel Sea = Mediterranean and the Aster Sea is the Black Sea?
I think I know what you're doing here...
You know as well as anyone who regularly reads this thread that there is a LOT of info, posted by many, including me.
So you just repeat what you posted, and then suggest that I never addressed your points.
OK, then I will do the same.
"Abramelin, however, continue to say that the Middel Sea is somewhere near the Netherlands, without any proof but his “gut feel”. Yet, this lame reasoning goes unchallenged."
I have given you proof: the Middel Sea was a narrow and tiny southern branch of the North Sea that split the present province of Friesland (in The Netherlands) in half. West of the Middel Sea was Westergo, east of the Middel Sea was Oostergo. Anyone who knows how to Google, Google "Middelzee", and click on Images.
This Middelzee/ Middel Sea / 'middel-se' in OLB was in the west of what *I* think was this Frya's Empire. The Aster Sea (and 'aster' means eastern in Old Frisian) was to the east, ie: the Baltic.
The Frisians knew of only ONE Middel Sea, and that one was located in the province of present day Friesland. Hell, what a nice coincidence, eh?
I have also posted a lot about anomalies in the OLB, inconsistencies and/or incongruecies (maybe I should add better words, but my English is apparently lacking).
That's why I said that several persons - not just one - contributed to the OLB, one more knowledgable and clever than the other.
So, at somewhere in the beginning of the OLB they describe the territory as between England and the eastern Baltic, later on it does indeed fit the Mediterranean (and the whole of Europe) better.
You were wrong about the tilt of the earth's axis;
You were wrong about the Faroer; and Friesland Island was called that way because the Frisian pirates who lived there called it Friesland Island according to a centuries old source; it didnt sink, it didnt drown, it just changed names;
You were wrong about the location of Aldland;it's not just in the Atlantic, it's ALSO in Asia.. well, I think it's just Asia, the Old Land where the Finda came from and later fled to a nearby area near the Himalaya. Two suggestions about it's location in the OLB, take your pick;
You are wrong about the location of Twiskland: it's Germany, not Russia. "Tuisc" was an ancient god of the Germans, according to Tacitus;
You theory is based on the english translation by Sandbach, and I have posted about several errors he made; like for instance, the original never uses the words 'west' and 'east' when they talk about the Middel Sea and the Aster Sea...
Edited by Abramelin, 25 October 2010 - 03:11 PM.