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#1921    Abramelin

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 02:37 PM

View PostOtharus, on 16 November 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

The number of publications does not prove that it's not a taboo to believe the OLB is true as virtually all of them are attempts to prove it's a hoax and to ridicule anyone who even considers to take it seriously.

A historian of good reputation can loose all of his/her credibility if it becomes known that he/she even considers the possibility that OLB is true. Note that even Jensma, who wrote his thesis about OLB did not even investigate the possibility that it could be real. No academic 'of good name' will risk ending the same way as Ottema.

Remember:

No, you suggested the OLB was being surpressed, and that means that the book is being hidden from the public, and not to be talked about. You even suggested this surpression had something to do with the 'unconscious fear' of the Dutch for disasters like floodings, or in short, "Let's not make them any more scared than they already are".

Allowing for critical and skeptical views on some manuscript or book is not the same as surpressing it.

Anyone reading this thread will make up his/her own mind: based on what all of us here posted they will either think it's a fabulation or that it's a true ancient account of Frisian/Fryan/European history.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 03:04 PM

Just been reading up a little on Phrygia. They are said to originate in Anatolia around the 8th century bce. They were influenced by Assyrian and Babylonian culture more than others. Sennacherib turns up frequently and she may or may not be the same as Semiramis the mother of Tammuz. The belief in a dying god was transplanted with Cybele and attis becoming the new names. Looking at the names of places and people I can see no other words looking similar to those of the OLB. I did expect to find some thing. Is the mention of incidental names like Freya and Magyar enough to put it in the Baltic region? Surely there would be some other corespondances to convince me. Anything is possible though so no doubt we'd all like to see something that connects the OLB to the region beyond what was commonly known at the time. As sumerian texts were relatively recently translated, some connections with Sumer or Akkad would have lent some credence imo. We still know very little of europeean culture at this time and an oral tradition is possible but unlikely.

http://www.maravot.com/Phrygian1b.html

I'm swaying to the idea of it being a fabulation or perhaps a well meaning confusion. The Phrygians would later become the Khazars and they were a tricky bunch. They were a pagan kingdom who converted to talmudic judaism around the 8th century ad. It was these Khazar jews who settled Europe en masse. Phrygia was a hot bed of mystery cults in ancient times so it is conceivable that they would keep secrets over long periods but also be prone to distortion of facts and propaganda to make their position seem even more superior than it actually was. Pure speculation but it may be that some of the Frisian writers came from a dual heritage of Khazar jews and pagan Phrygians (smurfs). Is there any link between the OLB and zionism or aryanism? You said it was the nordic bible, why?

ETA lots of comfusing reports on Senacherib but he was not the same as Semiramis who is thought to be a mythical queen/deity.

http://www.gatewayst...syriankings.htm

None of it sounds Frisian to me but what do I know.

Edited by SlimJim22, 19 November 2010 - 03:23 PM.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 03:24 PM

View PostSlimJim22, on 19 November 2010 - 03:04 PM, said:

Just been reading up a little on Phrygia. They are said to originate in Anatolia around the 8th century bce. They were influenced by Assyrian and Babylonian culture more than others. Sennacherib turns up frequently and she may or may not be the same as Semiramis the mother of Tammuz. The belief in a dying god was transplanted with Cybele and attis becoming the new names. Looking at the names of places and people I can see no other words looking similar to those of the OLB. I did expect to find some thing. Is the mention of incidental names like Freya and Magyar enough to put it in the Baltic region? Surely there would be some other corespondances to convince me. Anything is possible though so no doubt we'd all like to see something that connects the OLB to the region beyond what was commonly known at the time. As sumerian texts were relatively recently translated, some connections with Sumer or Akkad would have lent some credence imo. We still know very little of europeean culture at this time and an oral tradition is possible but unlikely.

http://www.maravot.com/Phrygian1b.html

I'm swaying to the idea of it being a fabulation or perhaps a well meaning confusion. The Phrygians would later become the Khazars and they were a tricky bunch. They were a pagan kingdom who converted to talmudic judaism around the 8th century ad. It was these Khazar jews who settled Europe en masse. Phrygia was a hot bed of mystery cults in ancient times so it is conceivable that they would keep secrets over long periods but also be prone to distortion of facts and propaganda to make their position seem even more superior than it actually was. Pure speculation but it may be that some of the Frisian writers came from a dual heritage of Khazar jews and pagan Phrygians (smurfs). Is there any link between the OLB and zionism or aryanism? You said it was the nordic bible, why?

Jim, it wasn't me who called it the Nordic Bible, that was Wirth.

Well, what is our Bible (the Old Testament) all about..?  It's about a chosen people and their religion, it's about how superior their ethics and culture was compared to those of other people, and so on, and so on.


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Edited by Abramelin, 19 November 2010 - 03:25 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2010 - 04:46 PM

Well, what is our Bible (the Old Testament) all about..? It's about a chosen people and their religion, it's about how superior their ethics and culture was compared to those of other people, and so on, and so on.

Very good point AB and still the same today.Much of the ceremony is kept away from us in the wider world. Wasn't it this which partly motivated Hitler?

Also interesting speculation Slim. Proof would be a breakthrough.


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Posted 19 November 2010 - 04:50 PM

Well, what is our Bible (the Old Testament) all about..? It's about a chosen people and their religion, it's about how superior their ethics and culture was compared to those of other people, and so on, and so on.

Very good point AB and still the same today.Much of the ceremony is kept away from us in the wider world. Wasn't it this which partly motivated Hitler?

Also interesting speculation Slim on Smurfs. Proof would be a breakthrough.


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Posted 19 November 2010 - 06:55 PM

View PostFlashbangwollap, on 19 November 2010 - 04:50 PM, said:

Also interesting speculation Slim on Smurfs. Proof would be a breakthrough.

The Smurfs as the people of the OLB....

Now THAT would tickle people's interest, LOL.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:06 AM

My ex was around, with her bf.

Jesus, you can better have the devil or the Old Testament Jehovah around.


You will only have to deal with earthquakes and plagues and your family killed.

Having your drunk ex on a visit is worse than hell.

And I live in the same building as she does.

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Sorry, not very much on topic.

But hell, to me is  equal to your ex visiting you with her latest bf - her bf being very 'understanding' of course - screaming in your face why she doesnt like you.

And whispering in your ear one sec later why she is still in love with you..... all that during the time her bf is on my internet in another room in my house chatting with another online gf,  a woman apparently more understanding than his present gf will ever be.


Some will understand why I spend so much time discussing the OLB....... It's  much better to waste my time on a historical puzzle than to confront a real time witch (and 'witch' just differs one character from the word I really wanted to use)

Every guy will think this is hilarious, and I would do too... if I was not in his shoes.

But that's  only true and romantic and hilarious untill you experience this bull yourself.





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Posted 20 November 2010 - 06:09 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 November 2010 - 06:55 PM, said:

The Smurfs as the people of the OLB....
Etymology of "Smurf":

SE.MORFA = to shape oneself (see old-Greek MORPHE) = to evolve?

Μορφεύς, Morpheus = shaper (of dreams)

Compare "Sax":

SE.AXA = to split oneself (or eachother?)

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 11:43 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 November 2010 - 01:54 PM, said:



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And oh irony... Alewyn ends the last chapter of his book (page 279) with a quote from no one else but Joost Halbertsma, "Bread, butter and green cheese...".


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A quote by Helbertsma? Isn't it an old Frisian rhyme?...

One rhyme demonstrates the palpable similarity between Frisian and English: "Butter, bread, and green cheese is good English and good Fries," which is pronounced more or less the same in both languages (Frisian: "Bûter, brea, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk.")

Edit: forgot link  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages

Edited by The Puzzler, 20 November 2010 - 11:43 AM.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:03 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 November 2010 - 02:20 PM, said:

A citadel was not just a fortress, it was a star-shaped fortress protecting a city. You have Alewyn's book, so you will know what I mean.

If anything, they could be nothing but the socalled 'ringwalburchten', but they are from lot more recent times (800 - 1000 AD) and circular. Wicker work or not, they know how these ringwalburghten looked like, and some were 1500 years old.

And why do you skip past my remark about megaliths?

The Frya people surely must not only have known about them, but also have built them.


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In Finland, there is a wooden fortress, dated to 1500BC possibly.

Old Castle of Lieto (Finnish: Liedon Vanhalinna) is a formerly fortified hill in Lieto, Finland. The original name of the castle is not known. According to excavations, the castle has been in use in the Late Bronze Age (1500–500 BCE), in Middle Iron Age (500–700 CE, contested) and in the Middle Ages up to the end of the 14th century, when it was replaced by the "new castle" in Turku harbour.
http://en.wikipedia....Castle_of_Lieto

The point is, it's said that most of the area has been flooded, not to mention ransacked at the time of the conquests and many of these old wooden citadels/fortresses may never be found.

I'll agree though the writing, the citadels and the iron do seem too early mentioned in it. Even though I think it's possible that the 3 of them could, possibly, have left no trace of themselves by various means.


I might not have taken much notice of the megaliths thing. What was it about?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:45 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 November 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

Jim, it wasn't me who called it the Nordic Bible, that was Wirth.

Well, what is our Bible (the Old Testament) all about..?  It's about a chosen people and their religion, it's about how superior their ethics and culture was compared to those of other people, and so on, and so on.

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I wasn't criticizing at all. I can see the comparison. The OT is seemingly propaganda as much as it is Holy. The OLB strikes me as more propaganda and less Holy but that could be disputed. By Holy I mean sacred rather than full of unsubstantiated claims but that term could be applied to both the texts.

Substantiate my claim that Phrygians were smurfs rather than Frisian. Is Freya the only thing that links the two? It works for me on the Khazar connection if they are one and the same people moving west. Also, there is legend that Phrygians were refugees, possibly from Egypt or Libya who moved into Anatolia. The Nile floods every year but some times it was catastrophic to the people and villages. Canopus and Heraleion being lost but too late for a connection to the OLB. Could be that there was another land mass further on that was lost to erosion at an earlier date.

The phrygian cap is related to the pointed hats. Santa and elves, Peter Pan, Robin Hood, Attis and Mithras wore the phrygian variety and pointed hats are worn born by wizards, witches, dunces and the KKK.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Pointed_hat

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Phrygian_cap

Another name for Phrygian caps was liberty caps because they were worn by released slaves. Incidentally, magic mushrooms can also go under the name liberty caps. Did this inspire the thinking of the creators of the smurfs I wonder?

http://www.worldsstr...y-smurfs-facts/

The World Record for People Dressed as Smurfs (I can’t shake the feeling that the plural should be Smurves. I know. So wrong.) was set just this year in Swansea, Wales. More than 2,500 people crammed into a nightclub dressed in blue and white and weren’t allowed to have any natural skin showing in order to count toward the record.

My home town but sadly I was not there and just learnt of this fantastic claim to fame.  :lol:

I'm loving your work there Otharus. Do you mind if I borrow that?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:50 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 20 November 2010 - 11:43 AM, said:

A quote by Helbertsma? Isn't it an old Frisian rhyme?...

One rhyme demonstrates the palpable similarity between Frisian and English: "Butter, bread, and green cheese is good English and good Fries," which is pronounced more or less the same in both languages (Frisian: "Bûter, brea, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk.")

Edit: forgot link  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages

Yes, you are right Puzz.

I must have misread the pdf I got it from, the same pdf I got Halbertsma's "oudlanders" from.

According to legend is was a saying created by Great Pier (Grutte Pier) in the 16th century:

"Butter, rye bread and green cheese, whoever can't say that is no genuine Frisian") was used, according to legend, by the 16th century Frisian freedom fighter Pier Gerlofs Donia as a shibboleth that he forced his captives to repeat to distinguish Frisians from Dutch and Low Germans).

http://en.wikipedia....risian_language


Gjin oprjuchte Fries
EÈn verkeerde klinker kan dodelijk zijn. Het bekendste zinnetje in het Fries
is waarschijnlijk: B°ter, brea en griene tsiis, wa dat net sizze kin is gjin oprjuchte
Fries `Boter, brood en groene kaas, wie dat niet kan zeggen is geen oprechte
Fries'. In de zestiende eeuw zou de beroemde Grutte Pier dit zinnetje
hebben gebruikt om Friezen en niet-Friezen te scheiden. Iedereen die de
klinkers niet helemaal zuiver genoeg uitsprak werd in de Zuiderzee
verdronken.


http://www.vanoosten.../boterbrood.pdf


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Posted 20 November 2010 - 04:01 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 20 November 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:

In Finland, there is a wooden fortress, dated to 1500BC possibly.

Old Castle of Lieto (Finnish: Liedon Vanhalinna) is a formerly fortified hill in Lieto, Finland. The original name of the castle is not known. According to excavations, the castle has been in use in the Late Bronze Age (1500–500 BCE), in Middle Iron Age (500–700 CE, contested) and in the Middle Ages up to the end of the 14th century, when it was replaced by the "new castle" in Turku harbour.
http://en.wikipedia....Castle_of_Lieto

The point is, it's said that most of the area has been flooded, not to mention ransacked at the time of the conquests and many of these old wooden citadels/fortresses may never be found.

I'll agree though the writing, the citadels and the iron do seem too early mentioned in it. Even though I think it's possible that the 3 of them could, possibly, have left no trace of themselves by various means.


I might not have taken much notice of the megaliths thing. What was it about?


The point about the megalithic structures in Europe was that many were also built after, say, 2000 BC. Most were constructed before that date. If the story about the Frya is true, then they could have been present during the construction of some, or even be the ones responsible for the construction.


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Posted 20 November 2010 - 05:28 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 November 2010 - 04:01 PM, said:

The point about the megalithic structures in Europe was that many were also built after, say, 2000 BC. Most were constructed before that date. If the story about the Frya is true, then they could have been present during the construction of some, or even be the ones responsible for the construction.
I have been reading all night Prehistoric Heritage again and it has so many images of rock art in it. Lots of them seem to have some things in common, the Mother and the Sun, there is lots of rocks with the picture of a sun on it, heaps with daggers, sleds.

Frya may have been the original Mother Goddess even. She goes to a watch star, so some may have seen her then as a Mother, in the stars, a Goddess. It seems to me the OLB does not say Frya's people have Gods or even Goddesses, but that the priest created Gods and Goddesses out of the real people they encountered, such as Minerva and Wodin.

I think the megalithic structures seem to be more built by people who were practising rites, maybe priestly castes, they said once Druids built Stonehenge and then tossed it out as Druids came way later than Stonehenge, but did they really, were the Druids before they became Druids, priests of a Mother Goddess, who worshipped cows with horns, who knew magic and practised bloody rituals..kept track of the movements of the Heavens and kept everyone in subjugation by these religious practices?


All hard to say really.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 06:07 PM

Some reading, I'm off to bed, so late.

The Nordish Megalithic Culture
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Karl Earlson
There exists a common misconception about the Megalithic culture of Northern Europe, which states that it was introduced through external influences, by a "Megalithic Race" of Mediterranean origins. However, recent studies, as well as older works that examined the racial ancestry of the Megalith builders, clearly demonstrate that this civilization was Nordish in character.

The Megaliths were thought to be southern in origin, largely because of the ex oriente lux theory (from the east comes the light), which proclaimed that the indigenous peoples of Northern Europe were too primitive to forge their own creations, and that they required the aid of other peoples. In addition to this, British authors in particular, were keen to see the Megaliths as "Mediterranean" because it was believed that only this race was present in Britain, during the period that the Megaliths were thought to have been constructed. Finally, the Marxist archaeological theories of the British scholar Childe, led some to think that the Megaliths were "Iberian" in origin, and that most culture had "radiated" into Europe from the east and south. Childe believed that the Megaliths of Northern Europe were nothing more than "degenerate" copies of Mediterranean and Near Eastern monumental architecture.[1]

In the 1950s, the discoveries of the American scientist W. F. Libby, which were published in his book Radiocarbon Dating (Chicago, 1955), helped historians to determine the antiquity of various cultures more precisely. Firstly, Libby was able to demonstrate that the Megaliths of Northern Europe were far older than the Pyramids, and other stone buildings in the Mediterranean. This disproved the argument that "Southerners" were the first to build in stone, and therefore, that they had "diffused" the knowledge of monumental architecture to the peoples of the north. Secondly, Libby showed that the oldest Megaliths were those in Northern Europe. He estimated that the Megalithic monuments of France were begun around 4500 B.C. The researches of the British archaeologist Renfrew, have shown that the Megaliths were produced by indigenous North European cultures, and that there was a long history of construction on the sites where Megaliths were subsequently built. Many of Childe's Marxist theories were demolished by radiocarbon dating, and feeling disillusioned as a result, he committed suicide in 1957. At this point, it would be germane to remember that most of Coon's historical reconstructions were based on Childe's work, and that as Childe's theories collapse, so do certain aspects of Coon's work, most notably his belief that the Megalith builders were "Atlanto-Mediterranean" in race.[2]

A now largely forgotten and neglected theory, is that of a northern origin for the Megaliths. This idea was largely formulated by French scholars, at the end of the 19th Century, and was later developed by German and Scandinavian authors, in the 20th Century. These writers observed that in the south, there was clearly a link between blonds and the Megaliths. The blond Riffian Berbers of Morocco, and the blond Kabyles of Algeria, were associated with the Megaliths of North Africa. The blond Libyans of antiquity appeared at about the same time that these monuments were constructed. Similarly, the blond Amorites of ancient Palestine, were linked to the Megaliths which are found there. Equally, the blond Guanches of the Canary Islands, seem to have produced their own stone buildings. However, at the same time, apart from the British Isles, the north did not possess sizeable Mediterranean populations, that could explain the allegedly "southern" origins of the Megaliths.[3]

Furthermore, some archaeologists have noticed that there are distinct links between the various Megalithic sites and their uniform culture. Most of these links can be traced back to the north, particularly the love of amber, which at that time could only be obtained from Northern Europe. Many of the earliest examples of Megalithic construction appear in the north, as well as the complete evolution of the various types of complex building methods. One of the most recent expositions on the cultural unity of the Megalith builders, is the work of the Austrian historian Spanuth, who has also presented the evidence in favor of a northern origin for this same culture.[4]

In addition to this, racial studies have demonstrated that the Megalith builders were racially Nordish. In Germany and Scandinavia, numerous physical anthropologists examined the remains that have been discovered in the Megalithic tombs. Scholars such as Schliz, Rydbeck, Scheidt, Nielsen, Retzius, Fürst and Saller, have shown that the Megalith builders were largely mixed, Crô-Magnon/Nordic types, with a small brachycephalic element, mostly Borreby in type, with some round-headed Alpines. (Note: The "Crô-Magnon" type referred to, is the equivalent of Coon/McCulloch's "Brünn" subrace, and Günther's Phalian race.[5]) Of course, the racial elements differed from nation to nation, including the indigenous folk of the various regions, but the Brünn/Nordic element appears to remain a constant factor throughout.[6]

In Britain, the Long Barrow People were largely responsible for the Megaliths. The British anthropologist Fleure, noted that their skulls had broad-brows, with heavy brow-ridges, low and broad orbits, sloping foreheads, long, narrow faces, narrow noses, prominent chins, and dolichocephalic crania, with large cranial capacities. He considered them to be immigrants from North-West Europe.[7]

When Coon accepted the existence of a "Megalithic Race" he was forced to depict a type with "Mediterranean" facial features which are more Nordic than anything else. In several pictorial instances of his "Megalithic" type, Coon refers to the blue eyes of the individuals depicted, as an "aberrant feature" and he often notes other "Nordic" characteristics, particularly tall stature.[8] It may be objected to, that the Nordic and Mediterranean subraces are very similar, from a skeletal point of view, and differ mostly in their pigmentation. However, it would appear that the Megalith builders were largely fair-haired. J. B. Davis and J. Thurnam, in their Crania Britannica (London, 1865), noted that locks of hair which were discovered in Long Barrow tombs, preserved within sealed boxes, were often blond or red in color. Various German and Scandinavian authors observed that the remains of hair they discovered in Megalithic tombs, were of a blond or reddish-blond hue. Similarly, the existence of ancient blonds and redheads in the Canary Islands, the Levant and North Africa, is well attested to. Thus, we find a combination of blond and red hair, with Brünn/Nordic skeletal features.[9]

It should also not be forgotten that by the time the later stages of Stonehenge were being constructed, the Nordic Battle-Axe and Borreby Bell Beaker peoples were settling in the area, and had themselves buried in close proximity to the monument. They also played a considerable part in building Stonehenge, and so their influence must not be rejected in favor of "Atlanto-Mediterraneans."[10]

Finally, the works of the German scholars Paudler[11] and Kern[12] should not be neglected. They demonstrated at great length, the northern origins of the Megalithic culture, and its essentially Nordish racial background. It would therefore appear, that given the revised evidence, the Megalith builders were probably Brünn/Nordic in racial type.

http://www.white-his...ishmegalith.htm

We may note that Angel (1944), calculated that during the Classical period of Greek history (650—150 BC), 27% of the Greek population had been predominantly Nordic in type. He observed that prior to the Classical period, the Nordic element had been larger, and that after it, the element in question had declined. [Angel (1943; 1944; 1945; 1946a, b, c.] Angel (1971), also noted that the immigrant Indo-Europeans, were of Nordic subrace.

Peterson (1974), studied portrait busts of famous ancient Greek personages, and concluded that the aristocracies of Hellas were a product of closely interbreeding, Eupatrid clans. These clans were mostly Nordic in type, being largely descended from the Indo-European invaders. The demos, or common people however, as well as most slaves, were of Mediterranean, Pelasgian descent.

The study of Greek literature which Sieglin (1935) performed, has demonstrated that many individuals in the elites of ancient Greece, had blond or red hair. For instance, Alcibiades, Alexander the Great, Critias, Demetrius of Phalerum, King Lysimachus, Ptolemy II Philadelphus and King Pyrrhus, were all fair-haired individuals. Dionysius I, the ruler of Syracuse, had blond hair and freckles, whilst the Athenian playwright Euripides, also had a fair and freckled complexion. [Günther (1956).] Some critics have attempted to claim that the Greek word “ksanthos” (xanthos), means “brown-haired”, rather than “blond-haired”. However, a recent article by Moonwomon (1994), on colour-meaning in ancient Greek, reveals that the word did in fact mean blond.

There are also numerous interesting examples from Greek literature which can be cited. For instance, in Homer’s Iliad, and Odyssey, whilst the aristocrats such as Achilles and Menelaus have blond hair, the slaves Eurybates and Thersites are brunet. Indeed, the Greek orator Dio of Prusa noted that the Greek ideal of beauty was a Nordic one. The Greeks, he said, admired the blond Achilles, but thought that the barbarian Trojan Hector, was black-haired. [Günther (1956).] In his Argonautica, the Greek poet Apollonius Rhodius, describes the hero Jason, and all fifty of the Argonauts, as blond-haired. [Sieglin (1935).] When the heroine Electra, in Euripides’ play of that name, finds a lock of her brother Orestes’ hair, on the grave of their father Agamemnon, she can tell that it is his hair, because of its distinctive blond colour. It would appear that the nobility of ancient Greece was distinguished from the dark masses, by its many blond members. [Ridgeway (1909).] The poet Bacchylides said that the women of Sparta were blonde, and Dicaearchus said much the same thing about the women of Thebes. [Günther (1956).] For the Greeks, the most beautiful woman who ever lived, Helen, was a blonde, as were those mythical men such as Adonis, who were famed for their handsomeness. [Sieglin (1935).

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The French author Rochat, examined portraits of the ancient Romans, and concluded that the Roman type was essentially Nordic. [Günther (1957).] The Swiss physical anthropologist His (1866), after studying both sculptures and skulls, determined that the true Romans had been Nordic.

There also exists a considerable body of evidence in relation to pigmentation. The German classicist Sieglin (1935), studied ancient Roman records, and demonstrated that the family names of most Patrician clans, denoted Nordic racial features, when they were translated from their original Latin. For instance, there were numerous Rufii, Rubrii and Rutilii, names which refer to red hair. There were also Flavi, Flaviani and Fulvi, which reveals blond hair. Sieglin studied all the references that were made to noted Romans, throughout the history of Roman literature. He compiled the following list of individuals, whose names are indicative of their possessing fair hair; Sieglin found: 7 Flavi, 20 Flaviani, 10 Fulvi, 121 Fulvii, 27 Rubrii, 26 Rufi, 24 Rufii, 36 Rufini, 45 Rutilii and 13 Ahenobarbi. He also observed that the names Flavius, Rufi and Rufini, were frequently employed by several Patrician families. [Sieglin (1935) 53.]

We also possess descriptions of famous individuals. In his Life of Cato the Elder, Plutarch states that the Censor had red hair and blue eyes; in the same author’s Life of Sulla, he declares that the Dictator possessed golden-blond hair and blue eyes. Suetonius, in his Lives of the Twelve Caesars, said that both Augustus and Nero had blond hair and blue eyes, that Galba had blue eyes, whilst Domitian not only had a ruddy complexion, but also composed a poem about an elderly, red-haired Roman that he knew. Suetonius also notes that Nero’s gens were referred to as the Ahenobarbi, (Copper Beards), because his clan continually produced men who had red beards. Finally, we can observe that the name “Caesar”, derives from the Latin word caesius, which means “blue-eyed”. [Günther (1957) 147—162.]

It is interesting to note that the Romans thought that Aeneas, Romulus and Remus, as well as Roma, the goddess who symbolised the Eternal City itself, were all golden-haired individuals. It would seem that the Romans could only have thought that the mythical founders of their people were blond, if they were themselves an originally blond-haired nation. [Ogle (1929).] In his researches Günther (1927; 1929a, b; 1957), has examined in great detail, the racial history of the Romans, and has successfully demonstrated that the origins of Rome’s greatness lay in its Nordic racial elements.

This essentially Nordic trend continued into the Early Modern Period. The Germanic invasions refreshed Italy’s Nordic stock, and in time gave birth to the Renaissance. It is significant that the Renaissance flowered in the north of Italy, where the Nordic element was strongest, and not in the predominantly Mediterranean south. Throughout the Renaissance period, the ideal of beauty was Nordic. Dante’s Beatrice, and Petrarch’s Laura, were both blondes. Botticelli’s and Titian’s paintings depicted the blonde woman as being the most beautiful.

However, the blond element was not solely confined to images of the ideal. It is equally clear that the many geniuses the Renaissance produced, throughout several different fields of expertise, were also predominantly Nordic. Ripley (1899), thought that because Northern Italy is predominantly Alpine today, most of the great Renaissance figures must also have been Alpine. However, the facts do not confirm his speculations. Sergi and Frassetto (1925), examined the crania of several great Italians, including Dante, Petrarch, Raphael, Foscolo and Volta, and observed that all were either dolichocephalic, or mesocephalic. Of course, the true Alpine is brachycephalic. [Welcker (1884).]

In addition to this, we should not neglect the researches of Woltmann (1905). Woltmann studied portrait paintings, busts and written descriptions, to ascertain the physical features of the great men of the Italian Renaissance. He revealed that many of the individuals in question, such as Leonardo da Vinci, Tasso, Galileo, etc., were of Germanic descent, and that they possessed Nordic racial characteristics. The results of his investigations, were as follows: of the 125 men whose eye colour could be discerned, 102 had blue, blue-grey or blue-green eyes; 18 had brown or brown-grey eyes; and 5 had eyes of mixed pigmentation. Of the 108 men whose hair colour could be accurately determined, 68 had blond or red hair; 26 had brown hair; and 14 had black hair. [Woltmann (1905) 143—144.] Woltmann also discovered that most of the noble families who ruled over much of Northern Italy, produced blond individuals throughout their generations. Such families as the d’Este of Ferrara, the Bentivoglia of Bologna and the Sforza of Milan, were all largely blond-haired and blue-eyed. [Woltmann (1905) 42—49.]

We should also note the words of Bartolomeo Las Casas; in his Historia de las Indias, he depicted Christopher Columbus in the following manner:

“He was tall, had a long, striking countenance, aquiline nose, blue eyes, and a light skin, inclined to be ruddy; his beard and hair in youth were fair, but care soon whitened them.” [Günther (1927) 215.

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White history or not, these statements have been made and lead to the conclusion that the Mediterranean had been injected with a prominent lot of Nordic people.

Columbus was from Genoa, which is right where ancient Liguria was situated, next to Marseilles, his heritage is ancient sailing in the area of these most ancient Ligurians who made pilgramage to the Swiss Alps, to Mont Bego, which is covered in prehistoric symbols.

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