[My logic is this: there are indeed old Frisian legends about Friso and Alexander the Great, Friso's travels in India, and so on. But the OLB turned things around. The reason why I showed many pages before: to create an 'ancient' legend about the history of Friesland (or better, Frya's Land) and not as a Friesland settled by people from India, but an India (or that area) settled by people from Friesland (Frya's Land) so making the history of Friesland even older.
Conventional teaching, for many years now, has it that European languages were influenced from the Indian sub-continent; hence the term “Indo-European Languages” or “Proto Indo-European languages. I am not aware of anybody (at least from the West) who have ever seriously considered that just the opposite happened – in other words, that the Indian cultures (and languages) were actually influenced by migrants from Europe [u]as the OLB claims[/u].
You will recall that the OLB states that the Gertmanne fled from Athens to India in ca 1552 BC i.e. about 3500 years ago. Please also bear in mind the OLB’s claim that the Frisians of the time had iron weaponry.
Chapter 6 of my book gives arguably the most compelling vindication of the OLB. Herewith some extracts:
“On his website adaniels info site hosted by Tripod, Aharon Daniel published a dissertation entitled Aryans and Dravidians – a controversial issue. This concise account seems to capture the essence of the accepted theories regarding the Aryans.
According to general Indian legend, the Aryans arrived in north India somewhere from Iran and southern Russia at [u]around 1500 BC[/u]. Before the Aryans, the Dravidian people resided in India. The Aryans disregarded the local cultures. They began conquering and taking control over regions in north India and at the same time pushed the local people southwards or towards the jungles and mountains in north India. According to this historical fact the general division of Indian society is made. North Indians are Aryans and south Indians are Dravidians. But this division isn’t proper because of many reasons.
Many Indians immigrated from one part of India to other parts of India and not all local people of north India were pushed southwards by the Aryans. Some stayed and served the Aryans and others moved to live in the forests and the jungles of north India. Before the arrival of the Aryans there were also other communities in India like Sino-Mongoloids and Austroloids. There were also other foreign immigrations and invaders who arrived in India, from time to time.
There are many that completely doubt that there was ever any Aryan invasion in India. This scepticism is based on the dating of the Aryan invasion of India and the fact that Hinduism and the caste system are believed to have been established as the result of the meetings between the intruding Aryans and original residents of India, the Dravidians.
The caste system is believed to have been established by the Aryans. The [u]fair skinned Aryans[/u] who occupied parts of India established the caste system, which allowed only them to be the priests (Brahman), aristocracy (Kshatria) and the businessmen (Vaisia) of the society. Below them in hierarchy were the Sudras who consisted of two communities. One community was of the locals who were subdued by the Aryans and the other was the descendants of Aryans with locals. In Hindu religious stories there are many wars between the good Aryans and the dark skinned demons and devils. The different gods also have dark skinned slaves. There are stories of demon women trying to seduce good Aryan men in deceptive ways. There were also marriages between Aryan heroes and demon women. Many believe that these incidences really occurred in which, the gods and the positive heroes were people of Aryan origin. And the demons, the devils and the dark skinned slaves were in fact the original residence of India whom the Aryans coined as monsters, devil, demons and slaves. Normally the date given to Aryan invasion is around 1500 BC.
"Another web-page on the Aryans by Richard Hooker also gives a good description of our Gertmanne. In their defence we can only conclude that, once again, this is how outsiders described them. Perhaps they were not too fond of writing as Richard Hooker describes them, or perhaps their writings did not survive because, inter alia, it would have been written on paper and in a language foreign to later generations. Again, they left no paper trial, so let us look at some quotes from Hooker’s page:
• They were unquestionably a tough people, and they were fierce and war-like.
• Their culture was oriented around warfare, and they were very good at it. They were superior on horseback and rushed into battle in chariots.
• They maintained the Aryan tribal structure, with a raja (reeve?) ruling over the tribal group in tandem with a council.
• What did the Aryans do with their time? They seem to have had a well-developed musical culture, and song and dance dominated their society. They were not greatly invested in the visual arts, but their interest in lyric poetry was unmatched. They loved gambling. They did not, however, have much interest in writing even though they could have inherited a civilization and a writing system when they originally settled in India.
• When they arrived, the vast northern plains were almost certainly densely forested. Where now bare fields stretch to the horizon, when the Aryans arrived lush forests stretched to those very same horizons. [u]Clearing the forests over the centuries was an epic project and one that is still preserved in Indian literature[/u].
"Under The Writings of Konered in the Oera Linda Book we read:
21. On the west of the Pangab where we come from, and where I was born, the same fruits and crops grow as on the east side. Formerly there existed also the same crawling animals, but [u]our forefathers burnt all the underwood[/u], and so diligently hunted all the wild animals, that there are scarcely any left.
Richard Hooker’s observation, They seem to have had a well-developed musical culture, and song and dance dominated their society, matches old king Alcinous’s description of the Phaeacians to Ulysses in 1188 BC when he said: We are extremely fond of good dinners, music, and dancing;
A report by Bijal P. Trivedi written in May 2001 entitled Genetic evidence suggests European migrants may have influenced the origins of India’s caste system, appear to provide the ultimate proof that the Gertmanne were the Aryans. The report is reproduced here verbatim:
A new study has revealed that [u]Indians belonging to higher castes are genetically closer to Europeans [/u]than are individuals from lower castes, whose genetic profiles are closer to those of Asians.
The study compared genetic markers—located on the Y chromosome and the mitochondrial DNA—between 265 Indian men of various castes and 750 African, Asian, European and other Indian men. To broaden the study, 40 markers from chromosomes 1 to 22 were analyzed from more than 600 individuals from different castes and continents. The comparison of the markers among these groups confirmed that genetic similarities to Europeans increased as caste rank increased
The study, led by Michael Bamshad of the University of Utah, in Salt Lake City, and his colleagues, is reported to be the most comprehensive genetic analysis to date of the impact of European migrations on the structure and origin of the current Indian population. The article appears in the current issue of Genome Research
The caste system, defined in ancient Sanskrit texts, determines a person's rank in society: The Brahmin, who were traditionally priests and scholars, held the highest rank in Hindu society. Warriors and rulers made up the Kshatriya who were the next in line to the Brahmin. Merchants, traders, farmers, and artisans were the third caste called the Vysya. The Shudra were the fourth rank and consisted of laborers. Because of strict rules forbidding marriage between men and women of different castes, these four classes remained distinct for thousands of years.
Bamshad's team found that Y chromosomes from the Brahmin and Kshatriya closely resembled European Y chromosomes rather than Asian Y chromosomes. The Y chromosomes from the lower castes bore more similarities to the Asian Y chromosome. The mitochondrial DNA showed the same pattern.
The authors believe their results support the notion that Europeans who migrated into India between [u]3,000 and 8,000 years ago[/u] may have merged with or imposed their social structure on the indigenous northern Indians and placed themselves into the highest castes.
Analysis of the paternally transmitted Y chromosome among Indians in general indicated that the Y chromosome had a more European flavour. Maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA among Indians is more Asian than European. This suggests that the Europeans who entered India were predominantly male.
"The last word on the Aryans we shall give to Professor Norman Brown out of Pakistan and Western Asia:
The evidence of the Rig Veda shows that during the centuries when the Aryans were occupying the Punjab and composing the hymns of the Rig Veda, the north-west part of the subcontinent was culturally separate from the rest of India. The closest cultural relations of the Indo-Aryans at that period were with the Iranians, whose language and sacred texts are preserved in the various works known as the Avesta, in inscriptions in Old Persian, and in some other scattered documents. So great is the amount of material common to the Rig Veda Aryans and the Iranians that the books of the two peoples show common geographic names as well as deities and ideas.
"[u]Iron Working in India[/u]
An interesting paper by Rakesh Tewari, the director of U.P. State Archaeological Department in India, appears on the webpage of Archaeology Online on the internet. The paper is entitled The Origins of Iron-working in India.
"Tewari notes that the subject of ancient iron working in India and surrounds remains a much-debated research problem which is not unconnected with the equally debatable question of its association with the supposed arrival, [u]in the second millennium BCE[/u], of immigrants from the west, as often suggested on the basis of the Rigveda.
Since then there has been fresh evidence for even earlier iron-working in India. Technical studies on materials dated c. 1000 BCE at Komaranhalli (Karnataka) showed that the smiths of this site could deal with large artefacts, implying that they had already been experimenting for centuries (Agrawal et al. 1985: 228-29). Sahi (1979: 366) drew attention to the presence of iron in Chalcolithic deposits at Ahar, and suggested that ‘the date of the beginning of iron smelting in India may well be placed as early as the sixteenth century BCE’ and ‘by about the early decade of thirteenth century BCE iron smelting was definitely known in India on a bigger scale. On the basis of four radiocarbon measurements, ranging between [u]3790 + 110 BP and 3570 + 100 BP[/u], available for the Megalithic period (without iron) Sharma (1992: 64, 67) has proposed [u]a range of 1550-1300 BCE [/u](uncalibrated) for the subsequent iron bearing period at Gufkral (Jammu & Kashmir).
"Here again we find evidence in support of the Oera Linda chronicles. The appearance of iron-working in India at exactly the same time the Frisians arrived in the Punjab cannot be ignored."
The above are just extracts from my chapter 6. If anybody are interested, I will gladly post the whole chapter here.
And Abe, please, please, don't tell me all this info was available in the 19th century. You have my book so please read chapter 6 again and tell me where I have gone wrong (apart from possibly the Tocharians)
Edited by Alewyn, 13 February 2011 - 08:38 PM.