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[Archived]Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood


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#9706    Abramelin

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:15 PM

View PostOtharus, on 26 January 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

There was, indeed...

Well then, imagine where they got part of their inspiration from.

From religious fables.

And, lol, you sure do know there were a couple of people able to walk on water in the OLB?


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:13 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 26 January 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Well then, imagine where they got part of their inspiration from.

From religious fables.
I imagine those religious fables were inspired by older traditions, such as described in OLB.


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 01:49 PM

The OLB Manuscript ~ part 4 of 11

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Volgens hem was de intussen gerezen twijfel aan de echtheid van het handschrift ongegrond.

Hij zag het als een uiterst belangrijke bron voor oud-Friese geschiedenis, met geheel nieuwe informatie.

Zijn conclusie:

"We mogen aannemen dat dit geschrift, waarvan het eerste deel rond 600 BC is opgesteld, het oudste produkt (op Homerus en Hesiodus na) van Europese literatuur bevat.

Het beschrijft een tot nu toe onbekende, eeuwenoude cultuur, met een ontwikkeling, beschaving, industrie, scheepvaart, handel, letterkunde en zuivere religieuze waarden.

In onze voorstelling ging onze geschiedenis niet verder terug, dan tot de komst van Friso (rond 300 BC), de vermeende Friese stamvader.

Hier ontdekken we echter een geschiedenis tot voorbij 2000 BC, ouder dan die van Griekenland en even oud als die van Israel."

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In his opinion, the doubts that had risen about the authenticity of the manuscript had no grounds.

He saw it as a most important source of old-Frisian history, with completely new information.

His conclusion:

"We can assume that this manuscript, of which the oldest part was composed ca. 600 BC, contains the oldest product (besides Homer and Hesiod) of European literature.

It describes an ancient culture, thus far unknown, with a development, civilization, industry, navigation, trade, literature and sublime religious values.

In our imagination, our history did not reach beyond the arrival of Friso (ca. 300 BC), the supposed Frisian founding father.

Here however we discover a history beyond 2000 BC, older than that of Greece and as old as that of Israel."


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:16 PM

View PostOtharus, on 27 January 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

I imagine those religious fables were inspired by older traditions, such as described in OLB.

The six-spoked wheel St. Catherine is holding in that church in Leeuwarden may as well be an adoption from the Hammonia 'goddess' of Hamburg who is holding a stearing wheel.


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:18 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 27 January 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

The six-spoked wheel St. Catherine is holding in that church in Leeuwarden may as well be an adoption from the Hammonia 'goddess' of Hamburg who is holding a stearing wheel.
Sure, anything is possible.


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:27 PM

View PostOtharus, on 27 January 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Sure, anything is possible.

The older the image of that saint, the more you will only see 8 spoked wheels:

http://www.aug.edu/a.../catherine.html

http://blog.inkyfool...-butterfly.html


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 03:40 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 27 January 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

The older the image of that saint, the more you will only see 8 spoked wheels
A pre-christian sacred symbol like the 6-spoked wheel will have been taboo for most artists.

Edited by Otharus, 27 January 2012 - 03:42 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 04:36 PM

View PostOtharus, on 27 January 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

A pre-christian sacred symbol like the 6-spoked wheel will have been taboo for most artists.

Taboo? Why?

One of the first Christian symbols was the Chi-Rho sign and often depicted in a circle.

The OLB yule wheel could have been used without Christians having any suspicisons about it true meaning.

Well, you know I think it went a bit differently (Chi-Rho sign + Alpha + Omega >>> Yule Wheel + Kroder on top + A + W)


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 04:53 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 27 January 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Well, you know I think it went a bit differently (Chi-Rho sign + Alpha + Omega >>> Yule Wheel + Kroder on top + A + W)
Just a reminder:

In India the 6-spoked wheel is known as the wheel of time (a.k.a. wheel of Kali).

In the region where I was it was a tradition to make 6-spoked wheel cookies for christmas/ new-years (yule).


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:05 PM

View PostOtharus, on 27 January 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Just a reminder:

In India the 6-spoked wheel is known as the wheel of time (a.k.a. wheel of Kali).

In the region where I was it was a tradition to make 6-spoked wheel cookies for christmas/ new-years (yule).

Yeah, and the oldest ones look like this:

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:21 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 27 January 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

Yeah, and the oldest ones look like this
How do you know that is one of the oldest ones?

Edited by Otharus, 27 January 2012 - 05:22 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:23 PM

The OLB Manuscript ~ part 5 of 11

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Het manuscript is een kopie uit 1256, gemaakt door Hidde Oera Linda.

Bij alle meningsverschillen over de echtheid en waarde ervan, was het onmogelijk daarover een goed oordeel te vellen, totdat het gepubliceerd werd in 1872.

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The manuscript is a copy from 1256, made by Hidde Oera Linda.

In all debates about its authenticity and value, it was impossible to have a solid judgement, until it was published in 1872.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:59 PM

The OLB Manuscript ~ part 6 of 11

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Publicatie leidde tot hevige discussies over de echtheid van het manuscript.

Dr. Ottema gaf in 1873 een toelichting in 'Geschiedkundige Aantekeningen en Ophelderingen bij thet Oera Linda bok', en verdedigde het een jaar later in 'De Koninklijke Akademie en het Oera Linda boek'.

Dr. A.T. Reitsma te Groningen bestudeerde het en presenteerde het resultaat van zijn kritische onderzoek in drie vergaderingen van het Fries Genootschap.

Hij concludeerde dat het manuscript waarschijnlijk echt is, en van hoge historische waarde.

In de laatste vergadering gaven ook de skeptici hun visie.

Toen werd ook het handschrift zelf vertoond, zodat men zelf kon beoordelen of het een 13e eeuwse kopie kon zijn.

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Publication lead to heavy debates about authenticity of the manuscript.

Dr. Ottema published an explanation in 1873, titled 'Historical Notes and Clarifications to the Oera Linda book', and defended it a year later in 'The Royal Academy and the Oera Linda book'.

Dr. A.T. Reitsma from Groningen studied it and presented the result of his critical research in three meetings of the Frisian Society.

He concluded that the manuscript is probably real, and of high historic value.

In the last meeting the skeptics also gave their opinion.

The manuscript itself was also displayed at that occasion, so anyone could judge if it could be a 13th century copy.


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostOtharus, on 27 January 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

How do you know that is one of the oldest ones?

It's an image from thousands of years old temples.

You have anything from before that? With six spokes?


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 09:45 PM

Saying "HI" to the members of my own site, TTZ.

Sorry Saru.