[saucy]

This debate is for anyone who wants to debate about it. The one with the best point of view I guess will be the winner, but you can only post three times. Good luck and anyone can start!

[babyforrest]

I have had numerous ghostly experiences, and there is absolutely nothing that anyone else can say to me to disprove the existance of ghosts. This is also my basis for the existance of God.

Unfortunately, just as nobody can disprove the existance of ghosts to me, there is nothing I can say to prove the existance of ghosts to anybody else. You're just going to have to listen to my stories and take my word for it. I have never lied to anybody here, and I don't plan to start now.

[catsrule52]

Well really, so much happens, and claims to be happening, that there is so much of...stuff...that I think not everything has a "logical" exclaimation for everything. Sure lights flickering could be some rat stuck in the wires and creaks and moaning may be caused by the house expanding and contracting if its old enuff and the type. I deffinty KNOW that ghosts exsists cause theres sooo much evidence of it. MUAHAHAHA I dont make sense, peace out peoples

[Saru]

Moving this to the Ghosts board, Saucy there's not much point having a debate that anyone can post in, that defeats the whole purpose of having formal, organised debates.

It's still an interesting topic though, so we can keep it going outside of the debates board rules and guidelines.

[stillcrazy]

Can't say they do or don't exsist.

I have never seen one.
But I can say this right now.
I'd rather see one......
Than be One!

[nightbird]

is there a reason NOT to support the existance of ghosts?

I mean seriously, ghosts are mentioned throughout history. anything supernatural or spiritual is mentioned through all civilizations.
I dont need to go into some big long speech about why ghosts are real. I know they are, and I dont really care if no one else believes or not, its no skin off my nose. they can think what they want....and yet NO ONE has even been able to disprove the existance of ghosts, and that says a lot.

[mowo]

I find the whole concept of ghosts a bit too comforting. it seems some people are trying to convince themelves that there MUST be an afterlife, and therefore ghosts must be real.
(a bit like religion, but hey, thats another topic )
I've never seen a ghost, and lord knows I've looked. I always find it disconcerting that people who have seen ghosts seem to have had several different experiences, and were believers in the first place.
All the 'ghost' photographs I've ever seen are laughably fake (let alone 'orbs').
Also, people who claim to 'contact the dead' are frauds. So I suppose I'm leaning slightly towards the non believer camp.

This post has been edited by mowo: 14 July 2004 - 10:58 AM

[OreoSuicide]

I don't think the existence of ghosts will ever be proved or disproved. The way technology is progressing it is getting very easy to fake things such as photographic evidence which leaves even more cause for doubt. Looking back in history it would appear that there have always been unexplained things which some people attribute to the prescence of ghosts or spirits. I myself have experienced many incidents which some would describe as the work of ghosts or spirits and although I do keep an open mind to the possibility of this being the case I just refer to these experiences as unexplained. I don't think I'll ever know for sure one way or the other but I can live with that.

[babyforrest]

[Great Big Sea]

I agree with Babyforrests first post, I'm kinda sick of these "do ghost's really exist?" threads or anyones similar. I do have many experiences and I do believe in ghosties. We have (had) so many threads started on this subject.

[Hammys Teddy]

So far on this thread the evidence for ghosts seems to be ' I believe cos i have had experiences therefore ghosts must exist??

What nonsense, sorry if that was rude but cos you believe ghosts exist simply does not mean they do.

Loud noises and reflections are NOT evidence either, at least not outside your own belief system.

There is little or no evidence to suggest ghost exist other than anecdotal evidence which is useless.
Anecdotes are inherently unreliable and very often biased.

Many of the things we accepted in times past as ghosts, have been explained by science....

Mediums fail time and time again to prove ghosts are real, except to a limited number of people who in reality are only seeking comfort in knowing their loved ones are ok...

Countless thousands of investigations by professionals and amatuers alike consistently fail to produce conclusive proof that ghosts exist.

So to answer the questions posed by the title of this thread.... I would say yes there is a reason to believe that ghosts exist if nothing more than to provide comfort or closure to those who have lost loved ones........ but is there any 'conclusive evidence' to support this belief then the answer is No...

Teddy.

[sam]

something can only be classed as paranormal if nothing else can exxplain its occurance. many people think that there house is haunted cause they can hear creaking floorboards but do not stop to think that it could just be the house warming up or getting cold thus causing the wood to extract and retract.

sorry for the waffle.

personally i do beleive that ghosts (if thats what you want to call them) exist, and yes i have personally expereinced some weird and unexplainable things

bb sam

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[earthygirl04]

I have no doubt that ghosts exist!! I am one that has had too many experiances to have any doubt! I'm not talking about just the flicker of a light, I'm talking about hearing, seeing, feeling, and even times of smelling roses where there were none. The thing is, you mention this to some people and because they have never experianced anything outside of the norm, they don't believe.
I say, how sad!! Because those people who have never witnessed the experiance for themselves they can't/won't believe that there is at "least" some kind of life after death, and will never believe, without witnessing an experiance of the supernatural for themselves. (No matter what anyone says.)
I know what I have experianced, and it's no lie. I don't know why many people can "see" ghosts and others can not. But ghosts are real, like it or not.

[haunted-one61]

I wish they weren't. My life would be a lot less stressful. Like earthygirl04 said, I don't know why some people can see them and others can't, but that doesn't make the ones that can liars or wishful thinkers. I'm not experiencing an issue with seeing my deceased family members, so this brings me no comfort.

I would love to be having a creaking floorboard, or some other house noise issue, because then I would have something I could easily (and happily) discount. I don't get the noises. You would think that if with all of the trillions of dollars wasted on crap sent up into space, somebody instead would have by now invested in ongoing research to( in the very least ) understand why some people have the extra sensitivity to see these things and others don't. I just don't understand why those who haven't experienced anything (yet ?) are so quick to believe that it's all a lie or wishful thinking. Believe me, I'd much rather be a part of the crowd who hasn't seen or felt anything.....but if I were, I wouldn't be assuming the others were all a bunch of liars, fakes, or wishful thinkers!

[sam]

totally understand just how you feel cause i know that i have seen things but because my partner is a non-beleiver he just thinks i'm cream crackers. he works in a castle that is haunted and has heard a plastic cup in the round hall banging itself off the floor, yet he still won't except that as being paranormal. he's own brother who used to work there as seen the grey lady sat on a bed and all sorts of things yet my partner still thinks its rubbish. that was until last week when he and his work colleague were down in the cellers and his mate saw a tall dark figure behind him wearing a large round hat! it scared his mate that much that he now refuses to go down in the celler ever again and my partner has never seen his mate like that before so in reality beleives that his mate saw something

i guess some are more prone to seeing things more than others, i for one could not understand why for such a long time i could sense ghosts but could not see them. well that was until earlier this year when i saw my first ghost on my way home with a freind.

bb sam