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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 01:17 PM

www.telegraph.co.uk said:

Glaciers on Mount Everest are shrinking, according to startling new photographs.

The two pictures show an "alarming" retreat in ice over more than 80 years.

The first was taken in 1921 by British mountaineer George Mallory, who later died trying to conquer Everest.

The Asia Society commissioned the same picture to be taken of the main Rongbuk glacier on the northern slope of Mount Everest in Tibet in 2007.

The new picture by mountaineer David Breashears show that the glacier is shrunk and withered.

A spokesman for the Asia Society said the picture was proof the ice is melting because of climate change, threatening water sources in highly populated areas of India and China.

"The photographs reveal a startling truth: the ice of the Himalaya is disappearing," he said. "They reveal an alarming loss in ice mass."

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 01:35 PM

i wouldn't worry its only water.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 03:46 PM

Uh Oh I hear a new tax coming

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 10:55 AM

View Postbigtroutak, on 18 July 2010 - 03:46 PM, said:

Uh Oh I hear a new tax coming
They(the government of France) are already talking about it .. and this country is already the place where people are the most taxed in the world.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 12:16 PM

Is it just me, or do the before and after pictures look identical?


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Posted 19 July 2010 - 04:38 PM

View Postmisteradam, on 19 July 2010 - 12:16 PM, said:

Is it just me, or do the before and after pictures look identical?
They are from the same spot, but the newer one clearly shows the glacier has decreased in size. The side of the glacier does not go as far up the side of the valley. The mountain basically looks the same however. In many cases of glaciers getting smaller, it is not due to lack of precipitation or because the glacier is melting drastically, it is due to the little bit of extra water (Supposedly from Global Warming) that gets under the glacier and causes it to move much faster. Once the glacier is moving faster it gets to a warmer geographicial area faster and melts there.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 07:43 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 19 July 2010 - 04:38 PM, said:

... it is due to the little bit of extra water (Supposedly from Global Warming)

There it is again - Global Warming. Let's get off that kick before Al Gore uses that lame excuse again to create another tax scam!

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 09:00 PM

i see no one remembers this thread http://www.unexplain...hl=glacier&st=0

so i guess all they have left to rely on for evidence are some photos?  :lol:

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:04 AM

Al Gore stole my bricks  :angry2: :angry2:  He's a big bad bully.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:55 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 20 July 2010 - 08:04 AM, said:

Al Gore stole my bricks  :angry2: :angry2:  He's a big bad bully.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:24 PM

View Postmisteradam, on 19 July 2010 - 12:16 PM, said:

Is it just me, or do the before and after pictures look identical?

I agree...well, almost identical.


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Posted 21 July 2010 - 03:37 AM

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   Well, it's a little funny that the chief spokesperson for global warming, sorry, climate change (I keep mixing them up) is a hypocritical scam artist.

The fact that most of the above is false must have escaped you. The only thing you got right was a name. .

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:14 AM

View Postninjadude, on 21 July 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

The fact that most of the above is false must have escaped you. The only thing you got right was a name. .

   Eh, I'm not really seeing what is incorrect here. The hypocritical part should be obvious. So should the scam artist part. I'm glad, for the sake of my estimation of your mental ability, that you were able to figure out that the name was correct. You got 33% critical thinking score today.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:26 AM

View Postsocrates.junior, on 20 July 2010 - 08:55 PM, said:

Well, it's a little funny that the chief spokesperson for global warming, sorry, climate change (I keep mixing them up) is a hypocritical scam artist. But, as you say, love the skeptics who doubt him.


Al Gore is a goof leave him out of it as he is yesterdays butt wipe. It does not change the fact we are going through a change. Quit fighting the messenger and listen to the message. We all know it's not a man made issue but we all know we have an impact. Talk about the issue not the moron with an Oscar and a billion dollar house.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 09:13 AM

For those interested in learning about the situation rather than confirming their prejudices here is an interesting discussion with an expert in the field;

http://www.scidev.ne...t-debate-1.html

Note that at no point does he question the reality of climate change, what he does do is point out that most of the Tibetan glaciers are retreating - but that some in Pakistan are expanding - both due to climate change. As usual the reality is far more complex than the simple stories we feel comfortable with.

Here is another study of the effects of soot on glacial retreat;

http://www.ncbi.nlm....df/zpq22114.pdf

It maybe tempting to conclude that soot is a lesser problem and more easily dealt with, but essentially all the factors which cause Global Warming and soot are the same, so unless you address one the other carries on destroying the glaciers. It estimates that black soot may account for as much as 50% of the warming trend of the last few decades - due to reduced albedo of the ice surface.

Essentially the conclusion is - man cause various types of pollution - each in turn leads to a warming trend, which in turn leads to glacial retreat - which in turn, due to feedback, causes further warming due to reduced surface albedo.

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