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#1    Cyberfly

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 08:51 AM

If I weren't truly concerned, I'd feel almost sheepish.  But hey, that's why we have the internet now, right?  So we can stay anonymous, right?
Umm...I read through a few threads here and I've noticed one constant; the more info the better.  So, here goes.
I'm 44, ex-military, a deputy sheriff and no, I've never really been one to buy into the whole ghost story thing.  Then again, I've never had weird things happen in my home, and I've never had anything seem to center itself on my teenage son either.  And that's why I'm here.
My wife and I grew up in this town.  Nothing weird has ever happened on this land that we're aware of.  No cemeteries, burial plots, etc.  The house itself used to be the school's old cafeteria and was moved out to this location and converted to a home about 15 years ago.  Since then it's had two previous owners and nobody has ever died in it.
Since we've owned it, our kids have reported strange things like hearing voices from the closets, or doors opening and closing on their own, but I've always dismissed them as 'wild imaginations'.  The kids would have friends over and they'd stay in the bedrooms but when we'd get up in the mornings, they'd all be piled up in the living room sleeping. When we'd ask why, they'd say that a voice kept saying, 'get out'.  The next time, they'd say that the closet doors kept opening.  They'd shut it and make sure it was latched, then moments later, it would open again.  I would go up and check the closet doors and sure enough, the door would be opened.  I'd shut it.  It would latch fine.  And while I was there, it would stay latched.  I could leave and even if there were no kids in the room all day, I could come back later and the closet door would be open.  I could latch it and PULL on the door and it wouldn't give...but come back hours later and it would be standing wide open.  Funny thing is, you could unlatch the closet door and the door won't swing on its own.  You have to PULL it to swing it open.
When they reported scratching from inside the walls, I assumed it was mice.  When they said that something was tapping, I assumed rats, even though the traps I had set out were never tripped and I had also put out 'bait' as well in the pony wall crawlspace upstairs.  When we rewired and installed the new heat and air, my best friend (the heat and air guy) and I actually looked for evidence of mice or rats and we couldn't find anything (except the Bar bait I had put out).  Not that THAT is truly that unusual.
What IS unusual was what occurred during an adult only dinner party.  When it was down to just my wife and I and my best friend and his wife and we had cleaned up and was sitting around the dining the room table chatting, a pool 'floatie' that my kids had left downstairs earlier and I had tossed upstairs, over the banister and into my girls opened door...WELL into their room...it HOVERED over the banister wall and came straight down and settled softly into my wife's recliner below.  It didn't shift side to side, it didn't list to the side like a frisbee would, it was almost as if somebody had...well...'floated' it down.  And it seemed to almost hesitate before settling into the chair.  Strange.  The only way I could describe it was it would maybe be like a UFO would land in a movie, except it wasn't spinning.  I wasn't the only one to witness it.  My best friend's wife saw it at the exact same time I did and she clutched my arm with one hand and pointed at it with her other hand and gasped.
My best friend, being as big a skeptic as I am felt there had to be a reasonable explanation.  We went in and picked it up and it was pretty cold.  He felt that the A/C must have come on and blown it out of the room.  However, the A/C wasn't on.  And if it had, that would have been a pretty long blow since it had been tossed about twelve feet into the girl's room and still would have had another four feet of loft to cross to get to the landing at the top of the stairs.  And that still wouldn't account for the WAY it came down, nor how it would pick the flotation ring UP and blow it OVER the banister wall and over the spiral stairs.  And that still doesn't explain HOW the ring 'fell' so slowly and settled so strangely.  I still get goosebumps when I think about it and that was over a year ago!
I think that was the moment that I started to believe that my kids weren't just pulling my leg.
From that moment, things started to escalate, and whatever 'it' is, it seemed to focus on my youngest son.  He just turned 15 about a week ago and while he is quite the athlete at school, he's scared to death to sleep by himself now.  He swears that if he tries to, 'something' will shake him awake and tell him to 'get out'.  This is a kid that sleeps like the dead, by the way.  He's scared to take a shower when he's alone in the house because on numerous occassions, he has reported that someone will yell at him to 'shut up' and shove him while he's in the shower, even though he's alone in the bathroom with the door locked.  And it always seems to happen while he's either washing his face or shampooing his hair and can't open his eyes.  This very afternoon, he begged me to sit on the toilet so he could shower (we were going to have a late birthday celebration with a dinner and movie) and as soon as I decided to slip into the bedroom to pick out a shirt, he screamed at me to 'knock it off Dad, that sh!t ain't funny!'  I came back into the bathroom and asked him what he was talking about.  He had deep red scratch marks down his back that looked as if someone had raked their nails across the middle of his back!!  He finished rinsing his face off and pulled back the shower curtain and he GLARED at me with the most hateful look in his eyes.  He honestly thought I had done it.  He thought I was trying to pull a trick on him.
I have no way to explain this.  I know he isn't double jointed.  I also know that there is NO WAY he could have known I had chosen that point to step out of the bathroom and there is no way he could reach around and scratch his own back like that.  And there was nothing in the shower with him that he could have used to inflict that kind of damage to his back with.
What in the world could be doing this?
Why him? What could cause this...THING to fixate on my child?
And more importantly, how in the heck do I stop this?!  I have twin ten year old girls in this house, too.  
These are my kids!!
My wife has no idea what to do either.  We aren't Catholic.  We're Baptists, and our church leaders 'don't believe in such nonsense'.  I'm about ready to send this...THING to go live with THEM for a while and see how long it takes them to change their minds!
But regardless of my frustration with them, I need to do something, but I have no idea what.  Go I Googled 'Exorcising Spirits' and found this forum.
Please...if any of you know of something we can do before this thing escalates any further, let me know.  At the rate it's going, I have no idea what it may try to do next.


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Posted 23 July 2010 - 11:59 AM

In some instances it could be a good idea to actually ask the entity to leave it alone, but im not sure that would be a good here, as it seems mildly malicious...

I would consider two things...1) contacting someone local who specialises in communicating with these kinds of entities 2) Contacting someone from a more sympathetic church to bless your house

Maybe both?

I wouldnt automatically assume that a haunting or poltergeist has to be a direct result of a previous event at the house or on the site in question...

The fact that it has a voice would say to me its not a poltergeist, but someone else may have something else to say on that one!

Very detailed story though, thank you so much for the detail, you were right, the more the better!!


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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:48 PM

I like the way you narrate your experiences though it doesn't really look like something that can catch someone's sight. Just a piece of advice, if u wanna get more replies, make your post as readable as u can. it'll help.

Actually, I think that 'something' in the closet was some entity/spirit/or whatever it is (I'm sure someone from here can name it) , is surely attached in that closet. U might as well invite someone who believes and can see these paranormal things and try to look at probably why was it attached to that closet.

For me, there are two things that might make that something attached to that closet: first, it might have considered that closet to be its home and it doesn't originally live in that place ('coz u have mentioned nobody had died in that place or any paranormal reports than yours) and the second is, it might have been really come and live in your place.

While looking for help, don't fear that something for entities feed up on negative things like fear, anger and the like. Just stay strong and always radiate positive energy!  :yes:

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:16 PM

Gosh I just wrote a huge reply and I accidentally dropped my mouse on the floor and it clicked a button and I lost the whole post!! :angry2:

Ok ... I read this post this afternoon and it's now 11pm here.  I've since been looking up a few things on scratches appearing out of nowhere on teenage males.  At first it sounded crazy, then it made perfect sense.  It appears it can be natural for teen males to develop growth stretch marks when they go through massive growth spurts during the teen years.  This causes the stretch marks to appear out of nowhere and can looks like scratch marks as the epidermis has not had enough time to adjust to the growth spurt itself.  From what I read, this appeared to have quite a few people spooked until a Specialist advised them that this could be a natural occurence for some males during the teen years.  Plus, the teen does not need to be overweight to get these marks either.  It can happen to any teen male that goes through the growth spurt.   Anyway, to save boring you any further with my newfound knowledge on growth spurts, that was just an idea is all. :)  (But I do know you said he yelled out thinking it was you that did it, so that probably negates that).

Regarding the latches on the cupboard doors - I thought that they could easily become unlatched.  Latches do that kind of thing and in my own opinion, I wouldn't be too concerned with those.  They can be just as unpredictable as anything else in life :)

I'll leave the advice on the voices to someone that's experienced something in that area as to be honest, I have not.  I will say that a possibility was that it could've just been the kids thinking they've heard something, especially when kids have sleepovers, they tell spooky stories and freak themselves out.  I'm hoping it could've just been something like that.

Plus, as Tinky mentioned earlier, I think it's important for you to find an investigatory team that might be a Paranormal Group perhaps in your local area?  They could come out (if you're happy for them to do so) and conduct an investigation.  Also as Tinky mentioned, perhaps contact a local church to talk it over with them and see what their thoughts on the matter are.   Which State or City are you?  We may be able to help you find someone. :)

Edit:  I just remembered something else I had typed in my earlier post before I'd accidentally deleted it :rolleyes:

Have you looked into Night Terrors for your son?  That is also a possibility and can occur even in adults.  Here is a link.  :)

Edited by pixiii, 23 July 2010 - 01:21 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:00 PM

A good variety of answers.

Taken individually, obviously the OP being someone from an investigative field, he would know you could ascribe mundane things to the different things he's described, at least at first blush.

As noted, an air current carrying the floatie, and as far as its descent seeming slow, that could honestly just be because of the surrealness of the happening itself making it seem that way. Doors and such even with clasps sometimes open and shut and you can find any number of people with different rational explanations as to why and how - house settling, underwater springs, geological shifts, etc. Voices could have began as part of hypnogogic hallucinations or sleep paralysis and/or also been part of "ghost story" symptoms as noted, and sort of snowballed from there, through suggestion. Not saying these ARE the explanations, just that taken individually, these COULD be the typical explanations for some of these things.

The scratches are a bit different, and there are people that post here that wake up with them, and swear to have nothing in their bed to be able to do it - no cat or dog or other person in bed, no long or jagged nails, no feathers, no exposed tags, no nightstand corners, etc., and yet they wake up with red, sometimes crusted long scrapes, sometimes bruises, sometimes multiple rakes like a large paw or claw swipe - a *few* of them report having these things happen while awake and even just walking down a hallway, they feel a sudden burning and find they have a fresh scratch on their arm or something.

Unfortunately, I have found little if any satisfactory explanation for these types of things besides what I outlined above ("Even if you think your nails are trimmed, they can still have jagged edges"), so someone might say your son probably already had the scratch on his back but it wasn't until he was probably shampooing his hair that he "felt" it because the soap got in the wound, so it felt like he got it right then, etc. Not that that really makes it any better - he still had a scratch down his back, but maybe it didn't just occur as he thinks, though there still could have been a tiny exposed bit of wall or edge of the shower or even shower curtain or bathroom doorway he nicked as he got in - you'd really have to go over the area extremely well to be able to confidently rule that out.

If you're looking specifically for a paranormal explanation, there are the spirit explanations. Past that, looking at kids in the house and your son turning 15, you might also consider the possibility of a poltergeist, or what some parapsychologists refer to as recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis (RSPK), which isn't a spirit, but errant "psi" emissions from one or more persons that manifests, unconsciously, usually in a rudimentary intelligent way, which is probably why they usually seem like mischievous children. In this non-spirit hypothesis, poltergeists have an "agent", or person on whom they focus or perhaps whom they primarily emanate, usually a teen around puberty age, with early research indicating girls to be more likely but that seems to not be as common a finding anymore. Also, adults, according to the lore, can also "get" poltergeists, as the main ingredient needed seems to be a lot of trauma, stress, anxiety, constant worry, etc. so whatever condition(s) are available that promote that sort of environment could be creating and fostering these phenomenon.

If it is a 'geist, *most* investigations indicate they last six months at the very most (rare few have laster significantly longer), usually a month or two average (still too many), and are best left unexposed to religious "cleansing" and general hostile or hysterical reaction.

Reducing the stress and anxiety and conditions in the home, in whatever ways possible, is best, including one or more people leaving for short times, for a change of scenery and psychological environment, can help, though it doesn't treat the underlying emotional landscape made up of what is going on with the person. Possibly counseling, meditation and/or prayer (if the person is interested and amiable) or even creative visualization or just some relaxed talks about things (not forced though, which would likely just cause more stress), should be able to help reduce some of the intensity. And remember it isn't anyone's "fault", and it may not be one particular agent, but may be multiples, and may be different amounts of each, which would be nearly impossible to know, so it wouldn't be wise to make one assumption of one person at the outset and everyone else just continues their life as usual as though they had no bearing on things.

This assumes poltergeist phenomenon is real and is what you have.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 10:06 PM

I would go with the aforementioned suspicion of a poltergeist.

However, you mentioned that the house used to be part of a school cafeteria. While no one may have died there in particular it is possible that when the building was still being used as part of the cafeteria, that it became manifested by the spirit of an angry bully -- hence the get out, shut up, and shoving. I'd looking into the history of the school it was a part of, personally. See if there are any records about a student attending the school being killed/dying and having a history of bullying.

I would also check into the age of the school. If it isn't  a poltergeist (which is often attached to teenagers), then it could very well be a haunting.


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Posted 24 July 2010 - 12:23 AM

Hi Cyberfly and welcome to UM.
                        Some interesting replies for you to chew on. What urged me to respond is that I understand how you must be feeling. I was in a similar position with my son some years ago and remember the anxiety and disruption it caused. It's worth pointing out that your children will be watching you and your partner closely so being upset and clueless is completely understandable, just don't show it. I tackled my situation myself, as I have previous experience. I would seek help in your shoes, perhaps using your buddies down at the station as a starting point. There might be a known name that seems to work in these situations, particularly as forces are often liasing with Paranormal investigators these days.
It may be worth getting the kids out of the way for a day or two while you get visitors as there minds will be working overtime, and that can take years to undo. It's true what has been said before about a strong positive attitude, basically I got angry and it left, it's just learning how to apply that force and having the confidence to do so.
Clearing houses is not about religion in my opinion, it's about the person whose doing the clearing.
The best of luck and if you can please keep us posted, I do want to hear how you get on and will help any way that I can.

My best.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:33 AM

I really appreciate the replies.  Seriously.  It certainly points me in a totally different direction.  
In all seriousness, the guys that I work with would NOT take me seriously.  If the scratches had broken the skin and I had mentioned it, their first reaction would be that I had done it since he and I were the only ones in the house and then I might be facing some type of sanctioning and possible child endangerment investigation.  When it comes to our kids, LEO's don't mess around.
I got a call today from a friend of mine in Texas (I'm in Oklahoma) who is a regional Chaplain for the FOP (fraternal order of police) and although he called with a firearm question he and I are friends and he is my confidant so I opened up to him.  I didn't tell him everything, but I told him enough.  Both of his grown children are MD's, one a child psychotherapist and she made some suggestions.  When he called back and I told him the full story, he knew that her suggestions would be fruitless.  So he let me in on a little known secret...apparently the Catholic church isn't the only organization that does 'exorcisms'.  The protestant church has a little known group that addresses those problems as well and he happened to know who to contact.  He made a few phone calls and the 'go-to' man called me about an hour later.  I spoke with the Reverand about an hour later and while he explained that he wasn't really one of 'the group' that was in the trenches, it did sound somewhat demonic to him.
He suggested going room to room and praying something along the lines of 'We are children of the Lord, begone Satan and doers of darkness'..or something to that affect...the exact words didn't matter, as long as the meaning was there and it was in the name of the Lord.  Since we are a Christian family, it made sense to me.  He basically explained that since we were saved, we couldn't be possessed, but we could be harassed.
But if your experiences are that such things won't help,...will it make things worse?  I mean, if it won't hurt, then I don't mind doing it.  I won't feel stupid doing it all, but I certainly don't want to make things worse for my kids.
He did say that he was going to make some calls, but with it being the weekend, it would most likely be Monday before he heard anything back from those who are in the know.
I have this gut feeling that whatever this is won't simply go away.  Whatever it is has been here for a few years and has progressively gotten more active.  True, in the last few months it has gotten more violent, but somehow I don't see it settling down.  Not without a butt-kicking out the door.
Thanks again for your input.  You have no idea how much I appreciate it.


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Posted 24 July 2010 - 09:09 PM

Hi Cyberfly,
           Good to here you and I know what your saying, just the sort of father I thought you were. This kind of situation is'nt in the handbooks anywhere. My last post sounded a little anti religious. It wasn't meant to, I was trying to get across precisely your point, your happy to say the words but will it help.
Well, for many homes here in Scotland, it does the job, it's just that sometimes it's not quite enough. On those occasions I'm afraid to say that the activity sometimes escalates, prompting the minister to return with someone in toe, usually more experienced.
When I spoke to my local minister, he confided that he had the training but couldn't go through with it in practice. He said the Scottish Church was inundated with calls for help with only a handful able to help.  When it comes to ghosts, of any kind, we all misplace our usual mettle.

Now, you have a dilemma, read the words, or wait for re-enforcements. The answer depends on your families state of mind. Are they all sleeping downstairs, giggling nervously, or are they all very quiet and clingy.
My feeling Cyberfly is that you have the experience and training to carry this off. In the end, it may be you that has the right kind of emotional connection to your threatened children to do this. As I've already said, some ministers don't quite cut it in this area at least.
So, if everyone is supportive and nervous giggles, then wait I guess, clingy, well how far away is Grannies house.

Stay in touch my friend, you are all in my thoughts.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:24 AM

It seems like the last resort, but i would recommend moving, it seems like the spirit or whatever it is; seems to care at all

Best of luck


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:51 AM

I'm no expert but I have done lots of research and have a little experience. One thing I've noticed is that these types of hauntings, (in leu of a better word) focus on teenagers and moving doesn't help. There is no rhyme or reason to why he was singled out. So no guilt! When you do try to get rid of it yourself, (I can't imagine you won't) things might get worse but it's because it's scared you will make it go away, it's losing confidence. Basically, think of it as a stalking bully, picking on your son might be a good way to deal with it. You just can't see it but you know it's there. Your Pastor sounds like a good one, let him help and see what happens. If you get a paranormal team over there, make sure they know you want to keep it private. Oh, and it was a school right, well, with all those raging hormones feel lucky if it's just one. Children's spirits are strong and they attract lots of nasty things and it being a school before might be the answer to where it or they came from.

Good luck and let us know how it goes, I'll say a little prayer for you folks.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 05:20 AM

View PostXxTuesdaysgonexX, on 25 July 2010 - 12:24 AM, said:

It seems like the last resort, but i would recommend moving, it seems like the spirit or whatever it is; seems to care at all

Best of luck

And what happens if the alleged spirit has taken a liking to his son and follows them and so forth to the next house?   I personally feel that could end up putting a lot of extra emotional stress on the entire family, not to mention also create a large expense that could've been avoided.   I think in this instance, the OP has taken a step in the right direction and contacted local support people who will at least be able to help in the meantime.  

If it's not too much trouble, it would be great if you wouldn't mind keeping us updated on what happens Cyberfly.  This is an interesting case and I for one, hope it works out for you all.  :)

EDIT:  Also, I thought of another question to ask and I wondered if during the kids sleepovers, could it be possible that they might've inadvertently invited something into the house perhaps?   What I mean by this is, did they use a Ouija Board or conduct their own little Seance etc?  Anything like that?  I guess being kids they probably wouldn't tell the adult for fear of being in trouble, but it was just a thought.

Has anything else happened over the weekend or since you've made the phone calls?

Edited by pixiii, 25 July 2010 - 05:29 AM.


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:54 AM

Our kids wouldn't have allowed anyone to conduct a seance (sp?) or use a ouija board here.  They consider it 'playing with fire' as much as we do.  
But, for the record, the whispering, scratching in the walls, whispering and opening closet doors all occured prior to any sleepovers.  We just got more of an earful when their friends came over to spend the night.
In all honesty, I chalked it all up to children's imaginations until Holly and I witnessed the hovering floatation ring.  Oh, I'd seen a few shadows, but figured that was just aging and tired eyes.
Doors that refuse to remain closed when you can't pull them open moments before?  Well...that I can't really explain.  I honestly don't think there's any underground springs because we had to lay down 1.5 miles of water pipe to tie in to the city's water system because we couldn't hit water anywhere on the 10 acres here.  Trust me, I WISH there was water somewhere underneath this property...there ain't.  I'd LOVE for there to be water under here somewhere.  We've had water pressure issues here for years, but that's another story in itelf that is anything BUT paranormal.  We just happen to live on a hill that is the same height as the water tower.
So...we have things going on here that defy 'normal' explanation, but we should get some answers soon.  I hope.
I'm going to wait until I hear from the experts before we do the room by room 'cleansing prayers' because the good Padres did say that we may very well have to do it more than once.  I don't know if its a 'residual energy' thing or if it simply won't go quietly into the night.  
Yes, I'm expecting the b****** to put up a fight.  Whatever it is has already demonstrated that it doesn't like my son.  It has repeatedly told him to 'get out' out of his own room, told him to 'shut up' and then shoved him while he was in the shower, then this last time it scratched him.  So whatever IT is, it is escalating its activity and its violence.  If it was solid and breathing, I would escalate it like only a father, an ex-military man and a cop would do to ANY intruder in his home that threatened his family...I'd escort his sorry ectoplasmic hiney out in a body bag.  But since this sorry thing has the upper hand and can't be had by conventional means, I gotta get educated on how to get the upper hand.  
Trust me though...once I do, I'm gonna pull the Holy Hand Grenade on this thing and scatter his sorry butt all the way back to the River Styxx.
Trust me though, I'll keep all of you updated on what I learn.
Thanks again for your input and your positive thoughts and prayers.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 01:53 PM

Hello Cyberfly,
Welcome to the forum.

Others here have advised you to seek help through your faiths means and I do think that in your situation it is appropriate. To seek help through another faith would not work for you or your family.

Outside of faith things to ponder.
Some other things to consider is that while some of the activity you and your family are experiencing may be paranormal in nature other activity may not be. Though it may seem difficult in the beginning it will be beneficial(in my opinion) to try and determine of the happenings which is paranormal and which isn't.

Document the experiences.
Being a police officer and ex-military personnel you will know how to document events. However in this you should expand the narrative of the event beyond time, date and occurrence, to include mood of the individual ( of whom the event occurred to) prior to the event. If this is occurring to your son or other children you may not have to ask then their mood you might know what it was  ;) . This will help you and your spouse see if there is a pattern to the events. Also it will help the person/persons who intend to help you with your situation see what they are dealing with too.

I strongly urge you to debunk what you can. For example- as others have said your son's scratches may have happened prior to him showering and it only felt fresh once the water hit it. If you could have determined which it was it would let you know if it was an unknown occurrence and what level of concern you should have toward it.

If this is a Poltergeist this type of activity often occurs around adolescent children of either gender. Most often the activity is reported around females. Pent up anger is often a condition of adolescence and if a child can't/doesn't give a voice to the anger it sometimes is reported to emerge as poltergeist activity. It's a difficult time of life and having odd occurrences and sometimes seemingly hostile happenings in the home is not necessarily a sign that the presence is EVIL. Even the injury toward your son (if it was a paranormal event) doesn't prove evil intention only anger. It is believed that the energy/emotion of a person can be so strong that it will take its own form. This doesn't mean the person doing it it even aware they are projecting their anger as an entity nor does it make them bad or evil just a person going through emotional change and growth. Teenage years are rough on then and everyone around them. LOL!

I like your attitude of firmness toward the event. However, I would urge caution that if this is a poltergeist a cleansing of you home may not banish the offender. Poltergeist activity generally is reported to dissipates over time as the individual outgrows the age. You may try treating the events as you would any of your children when they err, firm but kind. Simply state that the behavior is inappropriate and that it should 'knock it off'. And see if that response helps calm things down a bit.

Regards,
Mabon.

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One need not be a house;
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Material place.  ~ Emily Dickinson


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Posted 25 July 2010 - 10:41 PM

View PostCyberfly, on 25 July 2010 - 09:54 AM, said:



Hi Cyberfly,
            Well my feeling is you have taken the best option available to you. Getting the right help should give you the best chance of a successful outcome, amd keep disruption to a minimum. If you get the chance, try to tune in on them at work and see how they approach the problem.

There are some good knowledgeable people on this forum but the advice can vary, and that's no accident.
There are as many ways to approach this problem as there are dealing with unruly kids, or noisy neighbours, some approaches can escalate the problem, while others can be ineffectual. A focussed determined approach avoiding 'red-mist' encounters, but hey, as law enforcement, you'll know all this.
If you can continue to keep us posted then with all the help here, we will get through this together.

My best.
Encounter85





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