[Nothing_Else_Matters]

Hi

Did anyone watch Living Tv's Dead Famous on Tuesday night ?
They investigated The Whaley House which is apparently the Most Haunted house in America.
They captured some really compelling evidence of paranormal activity. For instance the director was pushed down the stairs by an unseen assailant. The sensitive Chris Fleming then took a pic of the stairs and at the top can be seen a figure. Apparently EVP was captured too - "kill her, push her down."
But the strangest incident was the capture of a man in the shadows. Gail Porter sensed a presence at the time and shone her torch but could see nothing. When the tape is played back a mans head is clearly visible in the torch light. When the light was shone on his face he didnt react. He seemed to have a grin on his face.
There are no waxworks in the Whaley house and Chris doesnt remember anyone on the shoot who resembled this man.
Did anybody else see this amazing episode ? If you did, what are your opinions on the incidents mentioned above!

Dead Famous has acheived in one episode, what Most Haunted hasnt been able to in 4 seasons!

[Falco Rex]

Maybe, but how did they achieve it? I've read numerous accounts of the Whaley House and violence towards people is one thing that none of the supposed hauntings were ever reported to feature..
Something about the story just doesn't seem right. All of a sudden it's completely out of character for the last hundred years, just in time for TV. A little too convenient..

[Nothing_Else_Matters]

A lot of haunted locations tend to give people the impression that they are intruding or not wanted there. And the Whaley House was certiantly no exception on the night of the shoot.
They definently where not wanted in that house. And the spirit people went out of their way to make their feelings known.

In my opinion Dead Famous is more entertainment orientated than Most Haunted but I believe that the incidents they capture are genuine and in no way aimed at misleading the viewer. Also, the sensitive Chris Fleming seems more convincing and genuine than MH's Derek Acorah. Not that I'm saying DA isn't genuine, he is but hes more of a showman perhaps.

Next week's Dead Famous is supposed to be one not to miss!

[dancin'hamster]

Hmmmm......I am undecided about this particular programme.

Gail Porter is one of the most wimpy sceptics ever....... why isnt she in there investigating, finding where the noises come from, staying put in the so-called haunted houses?????
Mind you - I'm glad she's not a screamer!

The 'ghost' in the whaley house.......it was a crew member. And the lady who said she was pushed could have stumbled and in all the excitement thought someone shoved her .... and I couldn't see a thing on the supposed photo of a 'figure' on the stairs.
And where was the EVP saying "kill her, push her down" ??

I would have liked to have seen a proper and thorough investigation there.

That said - at least someone is getting off thier backsides and making paranormal TV programmes.........

This post has been edited by dancin'hamster: 16 July 2004 - 08:27 PM

[Potholer]

AH HA!

Ok, a fair while ago I started thread asking why a lot of the time cameras see ghost and we don't. Here's a really really great example!

[Catrat]

[Nothing_Else_Matters]

Hi

Sorry for the delay in replying.

dancin hampster how do you know the ghost was a crew member ? Chris himself doesnt recognize the man as being part of the crew.
The figure in the photograph is definently there, you just have to look a little bit harder to see it.
And the EVP is being saved for a special or for the DF DVD.

Don't you guys think its strange that where Gail shone the torch she could see nobody but when the tape is played back there is a figure illuminated by the torchlight ? Yet the man does not react to the torch been shone in his face and I know for sure that there are no dummies or waxworks inside that house.

I don't know why the figure couldn't be seen there and then. But it is definently there as the video proves.. Its a mystery!

This post has been edited by Nothing_Else_Matters: 18 July 2004 - 04:38 PM

[dancin'hamster]

[Nothing_Else_Matters]

dancin' hamster I can understand what your saying but I still think its weird that people who where there don't recognize the man. And anyone who is human would react to torchlight in their face. And I don't believe for one moment that its a set-up to deceive the viewer.

On that same episode, something which I forgot to mention was when Chris was sitting on the bed with the tape recorder and it was whacked out of his hand, an orb could be seen moving across his body.

And also I have inside goss that next weeks show will take your breath away. Apparently the evidence of paranormal activity they capture is amazing. They are still talking about what was captured to this day. So watch out for that! And no I don't work as a promoter for DF! lol.

[Antidog]

Hi guys

I stumbled across this while trying to find a still of that figure that Gail Porter captured in her torchlight so I hope you don't mind me adding to the discussion.

It is frustrating when you want to believe that that figure was paranormal but obviously unless you were actually there, you can't prove that it was a ghost and not a real person like a crew member. At first I thought it was crew but when they mentioned that it wasn't and showed the footage again it did make the back of my neck crawl unpleasantly. That usually only happens when it is a particularly unusual occurrence such as the barrel rolling in Most Haunted in that brewery, hardly proof I know but I take it as my personal gauge! In these shows you really have to rely on trust of the team making the shows. As Richard Felix (bless him!) says from time to time: what would be the point of faking even one little bit of it? It would destroy the entire credibility of the shows and undermine everything they have worked for and make the entire thing pointless.

What I really wanted to bring up is the general thing of capturing ghosts on camera and why hasn't it happened before. I have a theory (nothing particularly to back it up but see what you think!)

Investigators tend to use digital cameras now where they didn't before and I remember hearing somewhere that orbs usually show up only on digital cameras rather than standard film. This led me to think that it may actually be the technology that is now allowing these things to show up. Whereas before, cameras that use film work in a slightly different way to their digital counterparts. The first by allowing light to cause a chemical reaction on the roll of film to register the image and the latter uses CCDs electronic light sensitive microchip thingies. Perhaps this different method enables a slightly wider range of image to show up due to the different methods. As for digital camcorders, this similar method coupled with the fact that they have infrared/night vision (don't forget infrared etc is a different part of the visual spectrum that we can't normally see) perhaps this is where the visual aspect of ghosts normally reside and night vision now has the ability to dip into the top end of this area. If a ghost tries to manifest, perhaps it is merely able to adjust its physical light characteristics in order to move closer to the human visual range or at least enough to show up on night vision. Perhaps this is why they apparently have to feed off residual energy in order to adjust their light wave frequency. Seems pretty reasonable to me converting heat energy into light energy is a school physics thing right? It could just be a natural law of physics that scientists haven't discovered yet. Just cause it aint been proved doesn't make it not true. For example, Scientists believe dark matter should exist but (as far as I know) they still haven't found any yet and been able to prove it.

Well, this is my hypothesis which I have probably explained badly but in all honesty it could be a load of bollocks but perhaps there maybe something to it!What do you reckon? And I apologise for the length of the post. I'm afraid I can waffle a bit!

Antidog

[Nothing_Else_Matters]

Hi Antidog

Orbs have been known to appear on standard film but not to the extent that they appear on digital cameras.

Your hypothesis gives food for thought and sounds very plausable to me.

[Antidog]

Hi NEM

You're right, they have a few times. Perhaps those ghosts were trying a bit harder than (para)normal 'Look at meeee! Look at meeee!'

[Nothing_Else_Matters]

Ok bit of an update. Chris has reveiwed the tape and he thinks it may well have been the tour guide. Oh well...you can't win 'em all.

[Lillian]

Ok bit of an update.  Chris has reveiwed the tape and he thinks it may well have been the tour guide.  Oh well...you can't win 'em all.

As both a member of SOHO and an employee of the Whaley House, I would like to interject that the organization does not promote or encourage any false pretense in regards to the House and it's history. As general rule, we let guests of the Whaley House decide for themselves. People can either appreciate the House for it's history, or love it for it's mystery. No current employed docent has or will act in a malicious manner for entertainment purposes, especially in regards to guests and media. As for the media, with proper permission and a supervising SOHO member, they are allow to film within specified limits (cautionary limits due to artifacts and/or restoration) throughout the House. However, we cannot control how they edit and what "direction" they want to depict the House. We can only stress the importance to the media of the Whaley Houses' rich history and the sensitivity of the remaining Whaley descendants.

In regards to violent behavior of spirits, although there have been reported cases of choking sensations, scratches, pinching, slapping, pulling of hair and clothing, the spirits of the House are generally tame and subtle. Many investigators and researchers believe the Whaley House has more of residual haunts and a few conscious spirits than malevolent ghosts (not to say that there aren't any!). These cases of PHYSICAL harm are very rare--however choking sensations, pressure on the chest, and finding it hard to breathe are actually some common phenomenons.

For more information on Whaley House events and/or how to save your heritage visit:

www.sohosandiego.org