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#1    Dementis Inferi

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 02:25 PM

I'm normally a hater of all things 2012, but I think it would be fun to think up some ideas OTHER THAN the christian rip off of doomsday (or a giant invisble planet hitting us) and bring back the original topic of Ragnarok, like it should be.

So anyway...  I'm quite looking forward to Thor being killed by the venom of the world serpent, Loki breaking free and attacking Heimdall, thus shattering the rainbow ridge; Bifrost.  If I also remember correctly, this is the time when Odin will be swallowed by Fenrir, but Fenrir will be killed by Odin's son; Vadir.

I don't think I read about any of this in the mayan calendar, though.

Then again, nobody read anything about Nibiru within the mayan calendar either, so I guess everyone on the planet is at free reign to make up whatever they want and shove the event in the year 2012.

Oh yeah, you're also gonna go to HEL, where one of the original rulers of the dead lives, not HELL where a big red goatman with a pointy tail lives.

Should be a fun Yule season in 2012!  :lol:

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:21 PM

2012 is a Hoax.

Ask yourself,  what do we do when the calendar runs out?  (Does the world stop at New Years and 1 second?)

Print a new one.


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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:30 PM

View PostStarLord, on 24 July 2010 - 08:21 PM, said:

2012 is a Hoax.

Ask yourself,  what do we do when the calendar runs out?  (Does the world stop at New Years and 1 second?)

Print a new one.

I am aware it's a load of rubbish, this is meant as satire :lol:

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:35 PM

Seeing as you hate Christian rip-offs....no Christmas for you ever again.
No gifts.
No holiday.
No time-off from work.
No parties.
Now go to your room and don't come out until September 2013.


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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:37 PM

View PostDementis Inferi, on 24 July 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

I'm normally a hater of all things 2012, but I think it would be fun to think up some ideas OTHER THAN the christian rip off of doomsday (or a giant invisble planet hitting us) and bring back the original topic of Ragnarok, like it should be.

So anyway...  I'm quite looking forward to Thor being killed by the venom of the world serpent, Loki breaking free and attacking Heimdall, thus shattering the rainbow ridge; Bifrost.  If I also remember correctly, this is the time when Odin will be swallowed by Fenrir, but Fenrir will be killed by Odin's son; Vadir.

I don't think I read about any of this in the mayan calendar, though.

Then again, nobody read anything about Nibiru within the mayan calendar either, so I guess everyone on the planet is at free reign to make up whatever they want and shove the event in the year 2012.

Oh yeah, you're also gonna go to HEL, where one of the original rulers of the dead lives, not HELL where a big red goatman with a pointy tail lives.

Should be a fun Yule season in 2012!  :lol:

Will you be escorted to the halls of valhalla by the valkyries? Will you be dining with Odin, Huginn and Muninn? or will you see Yggdrasil fall in midgard?...lol

On a side note, you forgot the Greeks, Never forget the 4 ages of men ..Golden age, silver age, bronze age and iron age...it states:

"For the father will not agree with his children, nor the children with their father, nor guest with his host, nor comrade with comrade, nor will brothers love each other as once they did. Men will dishonour their parents as they attain Old Age, without repaying them the cost of their nurture. Might shall be right, so that one man may sack another man's city. There will be no merit for the man who keeps his word, or for the just, or for the good; rather, men will praise the evil-doer and admire his audacity and violent dealings. Strength will be right, and respect will vanish as an empty word. Peace being banished, the MUSES will depart; therefore they will lead a life in ugliness. The wicked will hurt the worthy, speaking false words against them; therefore will Envy walk along with them. The gods will forsake mortal men, letting bitter sorrows fall upon them; and being defenceless like children in the wilderness, they will not find any help against all evil they themselves created."

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:39 PM

View PostEldorado, on 24 July 2010 - 08:35 PM, said:

Seeing as you hate Christian rip-offs....no Christmas for you ever again.
No gifts.
No holiday.
No time-off from work.
No parties.
Now go to your room and don't come out until September 2013.

I will have you know that christmas was celebrated before the christians ripped it off and based it around christ.  It would be nice if you researched before you posted.

I also DON'T celebrate christmas, nor do I recieve gifts (I give gifts but I don't recieve them).

I'm not turning this into a religious post, this is about Ragnarok :devil:

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:41 PM

View PostSolemnWanderer, on 24 July 2010 - 08:37 PM, said:

Will you be escorted to the halls of valhalla by the valkyries? Will you be dining with Odin, Huginn and Muninn? or will you see Yggdrasil fall in midgard?...lol

On a side note, you forgot the Greeks, Never forget the 4 ages of men ..Golden age, silver age, bronze age and iron age...it states:

"For the father will not agree with his children, nor the children with their father, nor guest with his host, nor comrade with comrade, nor will brothers love each other as once they did. Men will dishonour their parents as they attain Old Age, without repaying them the cost of their nurture. Might shall be right, so that one man may sack another man's city. There will be no merit for the man who keeps his word, or for the just, or for the good; rather, men will praise the evil-doer and admire his audacity and violent dealings. Strength will be right, and respect will vanish as an empty word. Peace being banished, the MUSES will depart; therefore they will lead a life in ugliness. The wicked will hurt the worthy, speaking false words against them; therefore will Envy walk along with them. The gods will forsake mortal men, letting bitter sorrows fall upon them; and being defenceless like children in the wilderness, they will not find any help against all evil they themselves created."

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... I like that quotation, I admit that I have never heard it.

It's nice to see that somebody didn't take this post seriously.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:41 PM

View PostDementis Inferi, on 24 July 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

I will have you know that christmas was celebrated before the christians ripped it off and based it around christ.  It would be nice if you researched before you posted.

I also DON'T celebrate christmas, nor do I recieve gifts (I give gifts but I don't recieve them).

I'm not turning this into a religious post, this is about Ragnarok :devil:

Well, if it was before Christ it wasn't Christmas...was it?

Christians just stole the date.

(tis ok...am not a religious nut...was only saying...lol)

And no need to be cheeky.  pfft

Edited by Eldorado, 24 July 2010 - 08:42 PM.


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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:44 PM

View PostEldorado, on 24 July 2010 - 08:41 PM, said:

Well, if it was before Christ it wasn't Christmas...was it?

Christians just stole the date.

(tis ok...am not a religious nut...was only saying...lol)

I must say that I actually called it 'Yule' in my original post, which is what it would have been known as to the nords.


I really didn't want this to turn into a religious war, that's why I jumped the barrel with what I said, though I still don't celebrate christmas.  I enjoy the time of year, but it has no meaning to me.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 03:37 AM

I to like playing with the doomsday scenarios of different cultures trying to see how they all could possibly mesh.

Speaking of which you catch the finale of Doctor Who - it spliced some of that 2012 stuff into the plot.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 05:54 PM

Bah Ragnarok is a bunch of bulk. I mean the gods know exactally how they're going to die but they do nothing to prevent it? None of they said 'hey maybe if we off Loki now we won't all die later'? Besides if things did look bad then Thor would just call on Captain American and the other Avengers. Of course nuts like Dementis convently forget that.

Edited by Corp, 26 July 2010 - 05:54 PM.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 09:05 PM

View PostDementis Inferi, on 24 July 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:

I am aware it's a load of rubbish, this is meant as satire :lol:


Shiver me timbers!  One never knows, do one, when it comes to the likes of THE END.

Sure you know the lobby's going to be packed, and then there's the question of Karma if you try to sneak into some other show what don't co-in-side with your perch ticket.

Have we covered the situation where you show up, there's nary a space at the tables, all are filled up with partying Vikings and their wenches,  or maybe you arrive and there's not a single unattached virgin at the palace you just apperaed in?  

What about you suddenly wake up in a very, very long  line with the most severe case of Deja Vu  you can remember.  You notice people being shuttled to the very front and getting in and the line seems to be at a standstill.  What The... eventually you remember those quick time shuttles are for the ones that do the suicide route,  tisk,  tisk, back again, back again, jiggity jig...


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 08:13 PM

Odin won the ability to transcend His Own limitations through a self-inflicted ordeal (See Hávamál, St. 138-165). He hanged Himself upon Yggdrasil, wounded by His own Spear to win the knowledge of the Runes. Woden mastered the shamanic technique of using physical and emotional crisis to force the psyche beyond its limits and into the transcendent realm of power, knowledge and wisdom. In this crisis unto death, consciousness is forced out of its habitual and curtailed perceptions and into a much vaster apprehension of reality. There is a very similar shamanic lore in most folk religions the world over. Usually, the seeker of knowledge must climb a tree or pole of some kind (which symbolises the spine), must suffer a personal death, hanged between Heaven and Earth, and in many cases is consumed by animals. The shamanic death journey is brought about in different ways; sometimes it is brought by illness, or through deliberate dancing to exhaustion; sometimes by fasting, or through painful (usually self-inflicted) wounds. Later, if the Shaman survives this, he/she returns to the middle world in a body reconstituted by his power animals, and carrying power and knowledge of the Worlds Beyond. Often the power of the shaman is contained in songs that he/she has learned from Other Worldly guides and allies. Traditionally, this knowledge and power is generously distributed to the folk through healing and blessing ceremonies. Odin's sacrifice on Yggdrasil is a perfect description of these shamanic techniques. When He wins the Runes, the great Mysteries, He immediately makes them available to the other Gods, and to worthy humans. Wodan is a healer in the shamanic tradition. As He is able to travel from the heights to the depths, so is He able to make whole what is broken, to bring the separate parts of the soul and body together into a healthy whole. The Second Merseburg Charm is a precious record of Wodan as Healer: a shamanic aspect of the God that was strongly suppressed by the Christians. Wodan was and is, however, a God of wholeness and healing, and a God of generosity, always willing to share knowledge and wisdom with the deserving. This has always been the role of the Great Shaman.

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Whenever there is a tale of destruction there is implicitly a subtext of renewal. To cultures who held mysteries as important (which is just about all bar us) often the subtext was more important. Odin is a story about a shaman and Ragnarok literally means 'gods fate' so what is the allegorical message behind the myth.

The idea of the serpent could relate to the world axis, geomagnetism or tectonic plates. Basically the ancients thought it was usually giant serpents that caused earthquakes. Fenrir could be a comet or more likely a cloud of smoke. Anyone remember the Icelandic ashcloud. To an ancient mind witnessing that I think it would be a pretty good description of Fenrir swallowing the Sun maybe. These were periodic things that these ancient people experienced and tried to explain using gods and monsters. Anything beyond that is our false interpretations on to things.

So, no doomsday as such. There are always risks of cataclysms but nothing world ending. On the otherhand does it siggest that there is a greater reality available to mankind? Perhaps and maybe Sleipner is some ambiguous connection to kundalani or something. Well how many eight legged horses do you think have been born?

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 12:28 AM

At last someone with some imagination! Ragnarök would certainly be an event worth waiting for!


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Posted 28 July 2010 - 02:30 AM

I must say, I fully expected to be bombarded with hate comments! :o   It's nice to see that you're all having some fun with this, as I intended  :lol:

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