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Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11


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#1    Fluffybunny

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 08:36 PM

  huh.gif You mean like the ones in Iraq? Here we go again. I bet that there will be folks that will believe him this time too.

Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a role in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Bush said the CIA has found no sign of a direct connection between Iran and the suicide hijackings that killed nearly 3,000 people.

"We will continue to look and see if the Iranians were involved," he said.

"I have long expressed my concerns about Iran. After all, it is a totalitarian society where free people are not allowed to exercise their rights as human beings."

The bipartisan, independent commission investigating the 9/11 attacks is expected to issue its final report this week.

The commission has found that eight to 10 of the hijackers passed through Iran between October 2000 and February 2001, Time magazine reported this week.

The magazine said that commission investigators have found that Iran had a history of allowing al Qaeda members to enter and leave the country across the Afghan border.

But the report does not offer evidence that Tehran was aware of the plans for the 9/11 attack.

On Monday, Bush accused Iran of harboring suspected al Qaeda members and developing nuclear weapons. If the country's Islamic government is to improve ties with Washington, the president said, it must hand over any al Qaeda members to their home countries, abandon its suspected nuclear weapons program and end its support of Islamic militant groups such as Hezbollah, which the United States considers to be a terrorist organization.

"As to direct connections to September 11, we're digging into the facts to determine if there was one," Bush said.

Iran has said it has al Qaeda members in its custody and will put them on trial. It denies trying to develop a nuclear bomb, saying its nuclear program is aimed at producing electrical power.

But the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, has rebuked Iran for not cooperating with the international community.

Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil" in his 2002 State of the Union speech, along with Iraq and North Korea.

The United States led an invasion into Iraq a year later after accusing Baghdad of harboring terrorists and concealing weapons of mass destruction from U.N. inspectors. Nearly 140,000 U.S. troops remain in Iraq after the establishment of an interim government.

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Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 08:52 PM

An odd idea, but I wonder how the German citizens of about 1940 felt when they got the news of their governement taking over Norway, Poland, Denmark, and France... I wonder if at some point if they thought that their leader was out of control...

hmmm...

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 09:33 PM

Ahah, so anything the US says no is not true? You have to look at this intel seperately from the Iraq situation otherwise you get biased. How do you know that this intel is just false huh? Because its the USs?

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 09:36 PM

Slightly off topic, but somehow appropriate, I would like to add these two paragraphs from an amazon.com review of George Orwells 1984. The book was originally written in response to the communism hype, but after rereading it, it seems more appropriate today than ever;

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Airstrip One is part of the vast political entity Oceania, which is eternally at war with one of two other vast entities, Eurasia and Eastasia. At any moment, depending upon current alignments, all existing records show either that Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia and allied with Eastasia, or that it has always been at war with Eastasia and allied with Eurasia. Winston Smith knows this, because his work at the Ministry of Truth involves the constant "correction" of such records. "'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'"

In a grim city and a terrifying country, where Big Brother is always Watching You and the Thought Police can practically read your mind, Winston is a man in grave danger for the simple reason that his memory still functions. He knows the Party's official image of the world is a fluid fiction. He knows the Party controls the people by feeding them lies and narrowing their imaginations through a process of bewilderment and brutalization that alienates each individual from his fellows and deprives him of every liberating human pursuit from reasoned inquiry to sexual passion.


Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 04:58 AM

so fuffmeister, you really didn't know before hand that Iran was a terrorist country? tongue.gif  

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 05:21 AM

Iran a terrorist country?? youre quick to label them arent you?? ive been there, i can tell you there are no more dirty rotten lying politicans there than there are anywhere else. and at least the government dont hide what they stand for, unlike other governments i can think of.

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 05:26 AM

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To Quote Bathory:

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 05:38 AM

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 07:44 AM

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 08:11 AM

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you really didn't know before hand that Iran was a terrorist country

Is everything written in really big letters in your world? what exactly is a 'terrorist country', when its at home?? What, do you think everyone in Iran is a suicide bomber?

I think that a better example of a 'terrorist' country, would be a country that terrorises other countries. Maybe one that goes to war over the most tenuous of reasons?




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Posted 20 July 2004 - 08:41 AM

From what I've read some of the 911 highjackers did travel through Iran on their way to the US; this is something that the Iranian Government have admited to, although they say that the highjackers were traveling through Iran illegally.

Does this prove that Iran was behind 911? Er, no.

But let's for a second assume that they were behind it. What is the US (and sadly I expect the UK) going to do about it?

As I've said before, invading Iran will not be the cakewalk Iraq (pre-victory) was; Iran has not been weakened by sanctions, has not had its airforce destroyed a decade earlier and has not had to quell uprisings.

The Allies are stretched enough in trying to hold it together in Iraq.

The worrying thing is, as you said Fluffy, that some people are going to buy into this; what is more worrying is that there are some who will actively support another war, when we haven't even finished winning this one.



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Posted 20 July 2004 - 09:03 AM

and so it begins.........the US is finished with Iraq...got their bases.....now to spread to the rest of the middle east.....first Iraq....then Iran.....then Syria....then Palestine......then....
well you get the point.

dont you people see whats going on?


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Posted 20 July 2004 - 09:12 AM

I don't believe that US would attack Iran. Bush says lots of things, most of them either absurd or just plain naive. Did the terrorists travel through Iran? yeah, I think so, Did they travel in lots of other countries too during that time? yep, I think so. Not even the US (the super-doper-power #1) can afford to fight in all fronts at the same time.


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Posted 20 July 2004 - 09:25 AM

QUOTE (CatAstrofix @ Jul 20 2004, 11:12 AM)
I don't believe that US would attack Iran. Bush says lots of things, most of them either absurd or just plain naive. Did the terrorists travel through Iran? yeah, I think so, Did they travel in lots of other countries too during that time? yep, I think so. Not even the US (the super-doper-power #1) can afford to fight in all fronts at the same time.

The USA isn't the super-power every thinks is Number 1. The Number 1 super-power is China. China has the worlds largest army with over 2.5million serving soldiers, it also has the worlds largest air-force.

I hope the US thinks clearly before choosing a side over the taiwan issue.

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 09:31 AM

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The USA isn't the super-power every thinks is Number 1.


I know, I was being sarcastic. It was mainly targeted to those that keep claiming that US can do what ever it wants, specially regarding middle-east in this case.





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