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#61    TinkyBlink

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 10:36 PM

I personally didnt think they were that gruesome, I didnt notice any maggots, its not injured or bloody, it just looks like it no longer has eyes, but not in a gorey way...

Thanks for the fox paw Nibs, the thing seems to have fingers so you're right it cant be a fox!


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Posted 26 August 2010 - 10:41 PM

View Postebonycrow, on 26 August 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

Here's some close-ups.

1: Head and teeth, forepaws.
http://i38.tinypic.com/25f680l.png

2: Teeth on the lower jaw. On closer inspection, does it look like the incisors are fused or are a rodent's incisors?
http://i36.tinypic.com/v3lw1k.png
Looks fused but I cant say for sure as there's so many teeth missing already.  Fusing would support a wierd crossbreed though, or am I just pulling stupid ish out of my @**?


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Posted 26 August 2010 - 11:04 PM

Im guna say a mutated rat. for some strange reason the teeth adn the head look rat shaped


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Posted 26 August 2010 - 11:07 PM

View PostPompey_Lad_18, on 26 August 2010 - 11:04 PM, said:

Im guna say a mutated rat. for some strange reason the teeth adn the head look rat shaped
That is the by far the biggest rat I've ever seen.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 12:04 AM

Heyo,
  
I think when someone mentioned a fox earlier they were Correct.
the facial features are close to the same, along with chest size and length.
Im also from Kentucky, and im pretty sure we have some Black Foxes running around in a recent mutation. More specifically im from South Central, so we might be looking at the same area.
Also, the feet could simply be a mutation that followed the black coat gene. I wish you had more pictures from before it Decomposed.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 12:59 AM

Heya Eb, welcome back. :tu:  This place hasn't been quite the same without you here.

As far as the animal in the pics I have no clue but I'll dig around later and see if I can find out something. Was there a body of water nearby, a lake or stream? I doubt it is a rodent but that is only an opinion. Maybe Mattshark or Cetacea will chime in but I haven't seen them much lately.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 01:12 AM

baby racoon




Schkiperkee Puppy....Not sure what happened to the poor thing , it's tail was never removed , they usually are when puppies......We have one....See below.....



<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/5452339" width="400" height="250" frameborder="0"></iframe>


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 01:27 AM

I didn't post the whole pictures that were cropped, Tinky. The ones with the teeth are the worst, so I just cropped them to show what was most important in that particular picture. I didn't want to cause any unnecessary grief... Because, at least for me, I can't look at them for too very long without feeling nauseous. Maybe I'm just a wuss, who knows. x)

Now, rat is something I didn't consider, but again with the ears, it doesn't seem likely.

Piney also suggested fox -- a Siberian fox, one of the domesticated sorts, that was horribly inbred, that had been abandoned in the area. To me, it still seems... unlikely. Considering the area and factoring in the statistics, what's the likelihood that I'd find someone's abandoned exotic pet? (I have impecable luck at collecting abandoned pets as it is, I don't need to start with the exotic kind.) But, the feet just seem too perfectly formed, but maybe I'm trying to over think it. Even poly cats rarely have "perfect" hands.

@ Gisbon: I'm in London, about how close are you? The problem with the black mutation in foxes (being of the silver phase, or "melanistic") is that they still have a white tail tip and silver hackles. We have seen silver phase red foxes in the area several times, but this was completely solid black without a hint of another hue anywhere in the fur. I agree that if this fur coloration is a totally different genetic mutation, that the hands may factor in to that equation somehow, but I'm not sure how exactly they could be related. I would make a poor geneticist.

Hey Fate! Glad you're still around. :) Yes, at least, there used to be. It's too grown up for a person to get down in the area, but there used to be a stream below the hill where I found it.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 01:40 AM

View Postebonycrow, on 27 August 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:

Hey Fate! Glad you're still around. :) Yes, at least, there used to be. It's too grown up for a person to get down in the area, but there used to be a stream below the hill where I found it.

I only asked because raccoons tend to stick close to bodies of water. I agree however that this isn't a raccoon, at least not a typical bushy tailed, hunch backed variety. I tried looking for some info about Procyonidae, the family that raccoons belong to but I didn't see any lookers there. The head looks similar to a ringtail cat but the tail and coloration aren't even close. I'll see if I can find more. :tu:

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 01:49 AM

View Posthurm, on 26 August 2010 - 11:07 PM, said:

That is the by far the biggest rat I've ever seen.

You haven't seen TMNT.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 01:52 AM

I still say a small dog ( possiblly a Schkiperkee as I said , like the one I posted a few back with video....Moto looks different now , so maybe not a puppy..

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The more I look at that picture , I am almost possitive a Schkiperkee PUPPY , the tail still there and not off yet...For sure a small dog breed , It sure looks like Moto , well if he were in that position.( glad he is not)....

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 01:57 AM

It's not a dog, I'm sorry. The hands just do not allow for it to be a dog: http://i33.tinypic.com/2d55j6.jpg I'd love it if it were that simple, but a Schipperke doesn't have fingers.

Edited by ebonycrow, 27 August 2010 - 02:01 AM.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 02:02 AM

View Postebonycrow, on 27 August 2010 - 01:57 AM, said:

It's not a dog, I'm sorry. The hands just do not allow for it to be a dog: http://i33.tinypic.com/2d55j6.jpg I'd love it if it were that simple, but a Schipperke doesn't have fingers.



That is what I get for not looking at all of the pictures....A baby racoon?.....



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Raccoons occasionally have pelage which is melanistic (all black), or albinistic (all white).

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Each hand and foot has five fingers and toes.


Can not find a better picture right now......

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 02:04 AM

View PostSakari, on 27 August 2010 - 02:02 AM, said:

That is what I get for not looking at all of the pictures....A baby racoon?.....

Coloration and body/head shape are off for a raccoon, along with the ears being too large and canine teeth too small (though the teeth are debatable if it is a young individual). As far as body shape and size goes though, while alive it looked exactly like a fox in every respect -- except for the hands and coloration.


Melanistic raccoons (kind of like melanistic foxes) still have a light patch in the area of the face near the eyes. Like with melanistic jaguars, no creature is completely, solid black. Melanism is caused by an over abundance of melanin, but unlike albinism (which turns an animal entirely white) it doesn't turn the animal entirely black.

Melanistic jaguar: http://s2.hubimg.com/u/160993_f260.jpg
Squirrel: http://www.cryptomun...squirrelrev.jpg
Fox (or "silver phase"): http://retrieverman....jpg?w=450&h=322
Deer: http://www.cryptomun...k_whitetail.jpg
Raccoon: http://img.photobuck...o1/Image013.jpg

Edited by ebonycrow, 27 August 2010 - 02:13 AM.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 02:19 AM

Ok , now I want to know what it is.....No time left tonight , or this weekend to research.....Arghhhhhh

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