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Posted 02 September 2010 - 04:57 AM

I just wanted to say when i first read about the account on this thread, when i got to the part about the "timex watch", i felt sick to my stomach. Looking at Puri's pictures there, I  felt pains in my stomach and something went on with her legs too because i felt a weakness growing through my legs, feeling useless and powerless.  Not very nice at all.

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 12:22 PM

I went on to Google maps to locate the distance between the murder of Cheri Jo Bates and his first reported murders of Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday. The murder of Cheri Jo Bates was in Riverside, California, while the double murder was in Benicia, California. These two locations are located 435 miles away from eachother.

The distance between the first murders of the Zodiac (Jensen and Faraday) and the second murders (Mageau and Ferrin), which are located at Benicia, CA and Vallejo, CA respectively, is only 8.4 miles.

The distance between the third set of murders and the fourth, perhaps last set of murders, is 89.9 to 99.9 miles depending on what path you take.

Make what you want out of it, but I think that most of his murders probably were closer to the San Francisco Area, which doesn't really match with the murder of Cheri Jo Bates, although there is definitely a chance.

Edited by H.H. Holmes, 02 September 2010 - 12:36 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 12:49 PM

Okay, I put in all the destinations of the known Zodiac attacks and came up with this map. My link

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 05:59 PM

Thanks Puri, Al and Triple H for your posts, happy to see this topic is hot....I'm a little bit obsessed with the Zodiac Killer case since 2000, i was 15 years old and since then this case is very important to me....Me and Tom Voigt,webmaster of Zodiackiller.com, are sending each other many emails every year and next year i will try to go to one of their meeting in San Francisco...I live in Canada so this is gonna be complicated but hey, i want to do it....
Thanks for your post guys, the murder of Cheri Jo is one of the great unsolved murder and it's cool to see great people like you care about it....


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Posted 02 September 2010 - 06:05 PM

View PostWORKING CLASS AL, on 01 September 2010 - 11:18 PM, said:

Hey ...JVE ,do you think he is dead by now???...figure maybe he in his 30 's or 40's at the time of the murders.

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Oh yeah, he's dead for sure....maybe he died in the early 70s, that will be a good explanation why the letters stopped....Arthur Leigh Allen, still good Zodiac suspect, died in 2002....Richard Gaikowski, good Zodiac suspect, died in 2004....I think Zodiac died in the 70s or 80s....A psychopath like him can't just stop killing, and a huge egomaniac like him can't just stop writing letters/taunting the police....This is what's so fascinating about this case....everything is a mystery....we knows nothing about the man who did the murders....hell, some people are saying he was wearing a wig at lake berryesa when he killed Cecelia Shepard, so maybe the police sketch was not good,we know nothing about this guy....and that's why the Zodiac case is so popular, everything is a mystery.


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Posted 02 September 2010 - 06:28 PM

By the way Here's a picture of the Killer's watch:

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 09:17 PM

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The only victims officially attributed to the Zodiac Killer are Cheri Jo Bates, 18, killed at Riverside City College. Betty Lou Jensen, 16 on a first date with David Faraday, 17 killed while trying to escape. Darlene Ferrin, 22, and Mike Mageau, 19. Mageau survived. Cecelia Shepard age 22 and Bryan Hartnell age 20 were tied and stabbed. Shepard died at the hospital. Hartnell survived. The last victim is Paul Stine age 29.

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 09:21 PM

No, Cheri Jo Bates is a POSSIBLE victim of the Zodiac

The only 5 known victims of the Zodiac are:
David Faraday
Betty Lou Jensen
Darlene Ferrin
Cecelia Shepard
Paul Stine

Cheri Jo was never confirmed as one of Zodiac's victim.


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Posted 03 September 2010 - 04:10 AM

View PostJonathanVonErich, on 02 September 2010 - 06:05 PM, said:

Oh yeah, he's dead for sure....maybe he died in the early 70s, that will be a good explanation why the letters stopped....Arthur Leigh Allen, still good Zodiac suspect, died in 2002....Richard Gaikowski, good Zodiac suspect, died in 2004....I think Zodiac died in the 70s or 80s....A psychopath like him can't just stop killing, and a huge egomaniac like him can't just stop writing letters/taunting the police....This is what's so fascinating about this case....everything is a mystery....we knows nothing about the man who did the murders....hell, some people are saying he was wearing a wig at lake berryesa when he killed Cecelia Shepard, so maybe the police sketch was not good,we know nothing about this guy....and that's why the Zodiac case is so popular, everything is a mystery.


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Which of the two suspects do you think was more likely to be the ZODIAC.  Yeah ,for whatever reason I have been interested for awhile too,coincedently my Airsoft Team gave me the call sign Zodiac ( never talked about...I was just the only tattooed /pierced guy on the team, so naturally I'mlikened to a serial killer...go figure?)


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Posted 03 September 2010 - 04:12 AM

View PostSupeRgirl, on 02 September 2010 - 04:57 AM, said:

I just wanted to say when i first read about the account on this thread, when i got to the part about the "timex watch", i felt sick to my stomach. Looking at Puri's pictures there, I  felt pains in my stomach and something went on with her legs too because i felt a weakness growing through my legs, feeling useless and powerless.  Not very nice at all.


Like I asked PURI.....how do you guys deal with getting the images or sensations?  It seems like a gift and curse all at the same time.


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Posted 03 September 2010 - 06:52 PM

View PostWORKING CLASS AL, on 03 September 2010 - 04:10 AM, said:

JVE,

Which of the two suspects do you think was more likely to be the ZODIAC.  Yeah ,for whatever reason I have been interested for awhile too,coincedently my Airsoft Team gave me the call sign Zodiac ( never talked about...I was just the only tattooed /pierced guy on the team, so naturally I'mlikened to a serial killer...go figure?)


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Hi Al
Always cool to share my opinions with you...Well i think a lot of interesting things link Arthur Leigh Allen to Zodiac and i know a lot of Zodiac investigators still think he was the killer, even if DNA tests made in 2002 said that he wasn't the man who wrote the letters. Allen was a very weird guy and a pedophile but i don't think he was the Zodiac. For a long time i tought he was but i don't anymore. I think Gaikowski is a better suspect. He looks like the police sketch and Nancy slover, the former Vallejo Police Dept. switchboard operator who spoke to Zodiac early in the morning of July 5, 1969, said that Gaikowski's voice was the same voice the Zodiac had. Gaikowski is dead so he can't defend himself but i think a lot of things link Gaikowski to Zodiac.


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Posted 03 September 2010 - 06:58 PM

Richard Gaikowski:

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:19 PM

Hey,
From seeing that picture of the man, the man did have short black dark hair that was cut like that, that had a bit of gray peaking through, I did not see any glasses on the male though during that time while the female was stabbing, could of been a different guy, just struck my mind seeing as they had a very similiar haircut, except also when I saw it his hair was a bit shorter, more contained so to speak, no 'whisps' but same format, erm interesting, even the facial features are pretty much on. I canont tell since this picture is black and white, but what I was seeing the man had not oily skin persay, but it wasn't dry, I would say a tad more oily than the average bear, and his skin was way darker than the females tan complextion for sure and was not 'pale' or anything of the sort, at this time he also had 'holes' under his eyes. Pretty similiar match except withotu glasses.


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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:22 PM

very interesting Puri....if you have more infos please share with us...

sadly the only pictures of Gaikowski at the time of the Zodiac murders are in black and white....maybe i'll ask Tom Voigt if he have more, he is the one who know more about Gaikowski....again, the woman, was she young like Cheri Jo(18 years old) or older ??
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:33 PM

She was young, but she was older than Cherie she was mid twenties I would assume, looked younger than she was sort of thing until you got up closer to her face, clearly she was in her mid twenties, around there on second invesigation. (I Believe I mentioned her age in a former post). Also the guy was not tall, he was 'sturdy' but not overmuscley, though he did have muscles I didn't think of the hulk when I saw him, I thought very well grounded, and again no glasses with the same 'crew' cut sort of style and forehead as the person I saw, his skin hair was mostly dark black, but not like a werewolf or anything normal pattern. Again he had a very sturdy ratio when I see this guy lanky tall or short are two that don't come into mind, I think automatically medium build with slightly oily tanned skin, and was wearing a all plain t-shirt that I do remember, I believe that he was wearing 'long' shorts, certainly not jeans though.

This person also had a slight left shoulder issue, I think because of it would occasionly pop out though be hard to tell if looking at the person.

Adding: Just got words "East Cannon" don't know if that is helpful or not
Also I am getting a week before her death there was a charity 'drive'..I'm not sure why this is important

Also I forgot to mention something probably very important I should of mentioned much earlier, the male was almost 2x older than the female murderer I'd say early 40s perhaps at that time, guessimate..sorry I didn't say that earlier, just popped into my mind. Last but not least the male killer for a brief period of time lived in Montana.

Edited by puridalan, 03 September 2010 - 07:42 PM.





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