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#1    Riaan

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 02:33 PM

The name Andrew is of Hebrew origin. Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, must have had a Hebrew name. What would that have been? Can anyone help?

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 05:13 PM

View PostRiaan, on 16 September 2010 - 02:33 PM, said:

The name Andrew is of Hebrew origin. Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, must have had a Hebrew name. What would that have been? Can anyone help?

Let me rephrase: The name Andrew is of Greek origin.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 05:38 PM

Must there have been a Hebrew name?
If it is a story written in Greek, then I suppose that Greek suffice.

The Swedish name would be Andreas or Anders.


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Posted 16 September 2010 - 06:58 PM

View PostSlorri, on 16 September 2010 - 05:38 PM, said:

Must there have been a Hebrew name?

Absolutely

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 07:26 PM

Well I prefer Andy

But in gaelic it's Anndra

As to the Caananite form of the name?  Dunno.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 07:26 PM

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|18| And walking beside Lake
Kinneret (Sea of Galilee), Rebbe,
Melech HaMoshiach saw two
achim, Shimon, the one being
called Kefa (Petros), and his
brother Andrew, casting a net into
the sea, for they were daiyagim
(fishermen).
|19| And Rebbe, Melech
HaMoshiach says, Come, follow
me, and I will make you daiyagei
adam (fishers of men).


One can note that it's about "andro-" meaning man or male, and also it's a brother.
There could be some unclear meaning to this.


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Posted 16 September 2010 - 08:50 PM

View PostSlorri, on 16 September 2010 - 07:26 PM, said:

One can note that it's about "andro-" meaning man or male, and also it's a brother.
There could be some unclear meaning to this.

This may indeed be a clue, although I could not find anything significant under 'man' in Strong's Hebrew Lexicon.

The name ‘Andrew’ may be however a transliteration of a Hebrew name or nickname of similar sound. The nearest I could get to is

Anad (bind, tie up) + rea (thunder, shout, noise)

or alternatively anah (several meanings, including speak, mourn, befall, etc) + dera (an arm).

None of these make particular sense, although the noise/thunder connotation is reminiscent of the ‘Sons of Thunder’, the name of John and James, the sins of Zebedee (Mark 3:17] supposedly interpreted us such from Boanerges.

Zebedee can be interpreted as Ze’abe-diy, meaning That or The Wolf, and Boanerges appears to have a similar meaning from Boao [to halloo or excite a pack of hunting dogs (wolves?)] (see Strong’s translations below)

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I could not find Hebrew words similar to Nerges, but the word appears to be of Sumerian origin, meaning Lord (Ner) Penis (ges/gis) or Top Dog (ges).

Boanerges can therefore be interpreted to mean something like Halloo-er of the Lord of the Penis (??) or Halloo-er of the Wolf Lord (Top dog= the wolf?).

Can ‘Andrew’ somehow be related to any of this?

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:10 PM

View PostRiaan, on 16 September 2010 - 02:33 PM, said:

The name Andrew is of Hebrew origin. Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, must have had a Hebrew name. What would that have been? Can anyone help?
According to Wiki - No Hebrew or Aramaic name is recorded for him.  :unsure2:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Saint_Andrew

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:38 PM

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|17| And Yaakov Ben Zavdai
and Yochanan, Yaakov's
brother. He gave to them the
name Bnei Regesh, (Sons of
Thunder).
|18| And Andrew and
Philippos and Bar-Talmai,
and Mattityahu, and Toma,
and Yaakov Ben Chalfai, and
Taddai, and Shimon the
Zealot,


They speak of Bnei Regesh, (Sons of Thunder).
In the Swedish version it says: "tordönsmän" wich means "men of thunder".

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17.  vidare Jakob, Sebedeus' son, och Johannes, Jakobs broder, åt vilka han gav tillnamnet Boanerges (det betyder tordönsmän);18.  vidare Andreas och Filippus och Bartolomeus och Matteus och Tomas och Jakob, Alfeus' son, och Taddeus och Simon ivraren


Could it also be important if this name, Andreas, existed in Greek beforehand, or if it originated from the NT?

Edit: speech - speak

Edited by Slorri, 16 September 2010 - 09:45 PM.


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Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:41 PM

View PostStill Waters, on 16 September 2010 - 09:10 PM, said:

According to Wiki - No Hebrew or Aramaic name is recorded for him.  :unsure2:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Saint_Andrew

Ah, he might well have been called Andreas, a Greek name used by the Jews.

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like other Greek names, appears to have been common among the Jews from the second or third century BC



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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:55 PM

View PostRiaan, on 16 September 2010 - 06:58 PM, said:

Absolutely

Why must he? Seems a bit silly.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 05:48 PM

Most likely, Andrew's Hebrew name would have been 'Avram.' I am Michael Andrew in English, Mordechai Avram is my Hebrew name.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 06:56 PM

View Postmklsgl, on 17 September 2010 - 05:48 PM, said:

Most likely, Andrew's Hebrew name would have been 'Avram.' I am Michael Andrew in English, Mordechai Avram is my Hebrew name.

I'm not so sure of this.

Avram = Abram


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And when Avram
was ninety and
nine shanah,
Hashem appeared to Avram,
and said unto him, I am El
Shaddai; walk before Me, and
be thou tamim (blameless).
|2| And I will confirm My brit
(covenant) between Me and
thee, and will multiply thee
exceedingly.
|3| And Avram fell on his
face; and Elohim talked with
him, saying,
|4| As for Me, hinei, My brit
(covenant) is with thee, and
thou shalt be an Av of many
Goyim [see 18:18].
|5| Neither shall thy shem
any more be called Avram, but
thy shem shall be Avraham;
for Av hamon Goyim (Father
of a multitude of Goyim) have
I made thee. [T.N. Ga 3:29
says "And if you belong to
Moshiach (YESHAYAH 53:10),
then you are of the ZERAH of
Avraham Avinu, you are
yoreshim (heirs) according to
the havtachah (promise).]
|6| And I will make thee
exceeding fruitful, and I will
make Goyim of thee, and
Melechim shall come out of
thee.


Mordechai = Mordechai

"There was a Jewish man in Shushan Capital whose name was Mordechai, son of Yair, son of Shim'i, from the family of Kish, from the tribe of Benjamin."



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Now in Shushan the
capital there was an ish
Yehudi, shmo Mordechai ben
Yair ben Shim'i ben Kish, a
Binyamini.



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Posted 18 September 2010 - 04:18 PM

I should have used "possibly" instead of "most likely"... Andrew is Greek for 'manly'; Avram is Hebrew for 'fatherly.' It is also possible that Andrew's father chose a completely different name for his son. It's not like there is a conversion chart. <br>

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 05:43 AM

View PostSlorri, on 17 September 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

Avram = Abram

Ab-ra-am could also mean Father (ab) of the seeing (ra'ah) people (am).

From mythology, the seeing people could be the group called the Watchers or Guardians (?).

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