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Posted 03 October 2010 - 09:18 PM

So what I got from the vid(which is some incredible findings) was that there were some odd looking humanoids some 10 to 12,000 years ago. Also, that Atlantis did exist and that they all had unlimited knowledge of the stars. The pyramids with the eye are so cool, I wish I had one of those. And the musical instruments, wow, amazing. I don't doubt there were very intellegent beings way back then. They must have had alternative methods and better methods of doing things. Like the tools they used for childbirth, those are impressive. Thanks for sharing this, it was certainly enlightening.


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Posted 03 October 2010 - 11:05 PM

View Postcrystal sage, on 03 October 2010 - 04:31 AM, said:

Wow!! Did you see those cups with the inlayed Orion constellations!! that glow in that 'black light'?
Amazing how the 12 differing jade cups exactly fill that big cup.. How symbolic..

And there are more with the same inlayed constellations!!! I have never heard of these artifacts before.. Have you?
Lots of materials fluoresce under black light. Various paints, laundry detergents, most bodily fluids...

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 12:00 AM

View Postlightly, on 03 October 2010 - 07:54 PM, said:

interesting.. but a lot of babie heads make ya wonder if it will ever look right..  my sister's looked just like Tut's.  :lol:
hmm,  but the plates on some elongated  skulls actually fit together differently than ours ?  ..if so, that's a different breed of cat .?  

    interesting that cranial deformation was practiced on every continent (pre columbian) .. by hundreds And  thousands? of years throughout the Americas, Parts of Europe, and far flung places like  the New Hebrides, and Egypt?  (or are those busts considered to depict malformations or artistic license?)    It's  hard, for me,  to understand why such an oddball practice would  crop up all over the world.  Unless the idea was passed along?  

More to topic, Some  of Humanity's history is  still hiding...  who know what sorts of societies formed in Pre- Megalithic times?    The recent Pleistocene neglected the Equatorial areas right?  


http://ahotcupofjoe....n-head-shaping/
: Beatrice Blackwood and P. M. Danby (1955) investigated the intentional cranial deformations performed by the people on the island of New Britain in Papua New Guinea. There, the Arawe people practiced head-binding of infants to produce a very characteristic elongation of the cranial vault which varies depending upon the method by which the binding materials are applied to the infant skull.


http://en.wikipedia....rmation#History
Another inspiration for in vivo cranial modification might be ancestor worship. Perhaps one of the best known instances of ancestor worship that involves skull modification comes from Jericho in the Near East. Fletcher et al[5] describe in detail the plastered skulls of Jericho and make a novel correlation between antemortem and postmortem deformations. The skulls they examine originate from the Pre-Pottery Neolithic (PPN) B period of the Levant at about 10,500 â“ 8,700 years ago. One of the skulls, in the British Museum was one of seven plastered skulls recovered by Kathleen Kenyon from the in 1953. The PPNB is an important period of human history because it represents a transition from a foraging lifeway to a more sedentary, agricultural one along with a marked increase in population densities and expansions within the Levant.

Early examples of intentional human cranial deformation predate written history and date back to 45,000 BC in Neanderthal skulls from the Shanidar Cave in Iraq.[1] Extreme practices have seemingly not persisted into this century, but mild forms are still practiced by various groups worldwide.[citation needed]

A case of skulls from the Andean Paracas culture, as seen in the Museo Nacional de Arqueología Antropología e Historia del Perú in Lima, Peru.
The earliest written record of cranial deformation dates to 400 BC in Hippocrates’ description of the Macrocephales people who were named for their practice of cranial modification (Gerszten and Gerszten, 1995).


The practice was also known among the Australian Aborigines, Maya, and certain tribes of North American natives, most notably the Chinookan tribes of the Northwest and the Choctaw of the Southeast.
In the Old World, Huns are also known to have practiced similar cranial deformation. In Late Antiquity (AD 300-600), the East Germanic tribes who were ruled by the Huns, adopted this custom (Gepids, Ostrogoths, Heruli, Rugii and Burgundians). In western Germanic tribes, artificial skull deformations have rarely been found


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  How would you explain the  7 month fetus' with exact same cranial malformation.
My link
  There has to be a reason why all these people all over the world would want to  create these odd skull shapes..  Usually these fashions are to emulate someone they respect.

The idea that some very advanced ancient race that had these domed skulls who help raise civilizations.. may have been the instigator..

That these domed skulls were a sign of
'High birth'

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The Aymaraes had what may be classified as intermediate dolichocephaly. The Huancas possessed the more distinct crania. To be sure, Dr. Tschudi offers, "... physiologists are undoubtedly in error, who suppose (dolichocephaly in) the Peruvian race (is) exclusively artificial. This hypothesis rests on insufficient grounds; its authors could have made their observations solely on the crania of adult(s) ... (however) two mummies of children (analyzed in England) ... belonged to the tribe Aymaraes. The two crania (both of children scarce a year old), had in all respects, the same form as those of adults. We ourselves have observed the same fact in many mummies of children of tender age ..."

"More still: the same formation of the head presents itself in children yet unborn; and of this truth we have had convincing proof in sight of a foetus enclosed in the womb of a mummy of a pregnant woman, ... which is, at this moment, in our collection." The foetus was aged 7 months
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Skulls of the Chinchas were what we would call normally human. The other two "races" were remarkably unlike the Chinchas. The Huancas had the most pronounced dolichocephalic traits. And it was this people about which Tschudi had the least amount of historical data. The Aymaraes "commenced the dynasty of the Incas." Of the Aymaraes, Tschudi said, "The crania of these people present differences equally remarkable ... and particularly the contour of the cranium." Keeping in mind that Inca is a term venerating the emperors of Peru, not a tribe/nation per sé - the Aymaraes conquered the other two peoples and marshaled the unity of Inca civilization, not unlike requisite unification of early Upper/Lower Egypt. Similarly, this unity ultimately led to racial mixing. However, similar skull formations does suggest the Aymaraes and Huancas were genetically linked already, perhaps.

In any case, Dr. Tschudi condensed these discoveries into two questions, as crucial to human origins today as they were in 1851:
1. "What was the cranial configuration of the ... real Indians?
2. Can there be found anywhere, now existing, the races above named, pure and without any mixture?"

In reverse order Tschudi answers these questions, after "the most scrupulous investigations on these points": (1) Yes. A few pure Indians did then exist. But, largely, the Peruvian natives "proceed from the union of the three races already described." (2) The crania shape of the earliest "real Indians" is the most important question. Why? Because there was a controversy over the cause of the cranial peculiarities among physiologists in the 1840s! Peruvian "coneheads" were deemed "anomalous," but due to "exclusively artificial" head-binding: "It (was) notorious enough that such a practice did obtain among various ... New World peoples; and that it existed among the (Peruvian) Chinchas for the sake of producing distinctive marks in families; an abuse which was forbidden by an apostolic bull in the 16th century." Interesting!

So - of the three "races" discussed, the non-dolicho-headed group, the Chinchas, artificially mimed the actual "conehead" peoples. But why? And inductive reasoning would suggest: additional New World tribes practicing head-binding were miming the true longheads as well?


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With Tschudi's facts, the iconographic essence of dolichohead art actually becomes genetically symbolic. Once your discernment acclimates to the cranial contours of the skull evidence, the Mayan canon of imagery enlivens with practicality and physiological authenticity; not to mention reverential symbolism, as opposed to cosmetic contrivance. Now, there is an explanatory option with greater common sense. If dolichocephalic races were in Peru long before the Maya, they could have influenced Mesoamerican territory. Instead of skin color being a determining factor in racial diversity, perhaps in ancient times the quality or class of dolichocephaly was a factor?



These headbinding traits smack of elitism.. emulating what  once was.. and what they wanted to be..


Like some scientific experiments today..  :rolleyes: unsupporting evidence to what was researched for gets rejected.. and supporting evidence is gathered to fuel hypothesis.

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Experts said, ... the pattern of evolutionary biology documented among other species, [shows that] in long-term isolation [creatures] often breed into extremely large or small versions of their ... relatives." And there have been many unofficial reports of finding giant sized human bones. The problem with evolutionism is that anomalous evidence is systematically rejected! Evolutionary theory cannot be reasoned as viable because of such rejection. The reported wealth of rejected anomalies has been relegated to the status of politically motivated data denial. No science can survive by ignoring and denying substantial proportions of its own data! ...


Edited by crystal sage, 04 October 2010 - 12:15 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 01:01 AM

Lord love a duck, folks. Reality check:

The original post presents the "work" of Klaus Dona.

He is an admittedly self-described "spiritual archaeologist"/"maverick archaeologist". Major tip-off here. He has, from his own submissions, precisely zero formal training in the field, nor would he appear to have any field experience.

I was perverse enough to flag through bits of his videos. A few glaring observations;

He states that his "Austrian authority" told him that DNA can not be recovered from skeletal remains in excess of 10 Kya. Oh, really? The examples that counter this claim are too numerous to mention. Check Denisova cave and Neanderthals for mere starters.

He references Mu. Might want to do a bit of historical research on that recent concoction.

You will note that his presentation is notably lacking in regards to the provenience of the artifacts that he presents. From an archaeological perspective, this is most unacceptable. And misleading. Deliberately?

He consistently applies his own (unqualified) interpretation of artifacts with little or no supportive documentation. This wouldn't make through Archy. 101. His "evaluation" of the "artificial stone" may be "subject" to further analysis. And the granitic boulder with quartz and similar inclusions? Back to Geo. 101.

The cranial deformation issue has already been addressed. Non-factor.

There is no supportable evidence for a giant sub-species of H. sapiens.

Oniomancer has already (quite correctly) commented on the use of black-light fluorescence. High frequency/low frequency fluorescence studies are routinely utilized in lithic analysis in order to trace the origins of transported ("exotic") materials recovered from a given site, in addition to other applications.

Etc., etc.

In short, the credibility of the source initially presented is highly questionable. And that is being overly generous.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 01:56 AM

View Postcrystal sage, on 04 October 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

How would you explain the  7 month fetus' with exact same cranial malformation.
My link
  There has to be a reason why all these people all over the world would want to  create these odd skull shapes..  Usually these fashions are to emulate someone they respect.

The idea that some very advanced ancient race that had these domed skulls who help raise civilizations.. may have been the instigator..

That these domed skulls were a sign of
'High birth'






These headbinding traits smack of elitism.. emulating what  once was.. and what they wanted to be..


Like some scientific experiments today..  :rolleyes: unsupporting evidence to what was researched for gets rejected.. and supporting evidence is gathered to fuel hypothesis.


  Good Question crystal sage.   i found this old writing by Thor Heyerdahl ...  in PDF form .. here is the link
(i Hope it works)  www.celticnz.co.nz/Nazca/TRACES%20OF%20CAUCASIAN-L  
if that  doesn't work. . try this search page link and click on above result:  http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/Tiahuanaco%20Museum%20long%20heads/2/0/0/Relevance/zoom=off/qi=21/qk=20/bepersistence=true/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true  

*yup, that seems to work.

It's interesting ..   ( if perhaps outdated? )
THOR HEYERDAHL'S
'' AMERICAN INDIANS IN THE PACIFIC ''

PART V:  TRACES OF  CAUCASION-LIKE ELEMENTS IN PRE-INCA PERU.

and it finally gets around to this:
                             Somatological evidence
         Diversity in local cranial forms

p.314-315
If we go straight to Tiahuanaco, we find within this limited Andean site that prehistoric people with entirely diverging head-forms have been buried there side by side. Chervin [1908, p.139], in the craniological volume of his Bolivian Anthropology, presents a table of cranial indices from Tiahuanaco, showing that they range from 71.97 to 93.79. This covers the whole scale of human head forms between dolicocephaly and ultra-brachycephaly, a variation which is too marked to make it reasonable to suppose that one homogeneous tribe has inhabited this site throughout its era of habitation. Two rather extreme cranial forms within the Tiahuanaco-dominated area are reproduced in Plate LXXXV 5 and 6, both pertaining to aboriginal natives of the Bolivian highland plains south of Titicaca. The series to the right represents a long-headed and narrow-faced cranium of great antiquity, excavated from an early grave on the actual Tiahuanaco site. Neither artificial head deformation nor individual index freedom among relatives of one homogeneous tribe can fully explain such thoroughgoing differences in head-form.
       It is true that head flattening was formerly very common in these regions, and even circular cranial deformation [ deformatio fronto-sincipito-parietalis,Gosse 1861] which is less easily detected than simple head-flattening. But furrows in the skull caused by tight bandaging, as well as a bulging of the intervening sections, generally betray artificially deformed skulls and prevent their entry into index tables as undeformed specimens. Since neither of the two most extreme head-forms of Tiahuanaco can be produced  merely  by artificial modification of the other, at least not without obvious traces of deformation, we should have to assume that some intermediate form was natural, and was occasionally shortened. But since the purpose was to acquire the tribal  ideal of beautiful or aristocratic head-form, it is hardly conceivable that members of one community strove for opposite results unless they wanted to stress some racial distinction between them. Certain it is that the frequent occurrence of artificially deformed heads cannot explain away the exsistence of a marked difference in natural head-forms in early Tiahuanaco. Here, as among the Early Chimu, a long-headed type has lived among short-headed people of the Yellow-brown norm.
  


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Edited by lightly, 04 October 2010 - 01:59 AM.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 10:39 AM

View Postlightly, on 03 October 2010 - 03:38 PM, said:

thanks crystal sage,    one of your links said something about a difference in the plates of this skull
Attachment Klaus_Dona_2_html_485f39d2.jpg

and anormal skull?  >  Attachment skullcap.jpeg   ...

i can't see a center 'line'  between the front and back on the elongated skull.  


My main questions are.....  is there a center  'line'  on the top of the elongated skull? ^

..  also.. were some of the glowy (under ultraviolet) bits , or areas beneath, magnetic or not ?  

..also.. what is the orthodox explanation for cranial deformation cropping up on all continents in remote history?   good old convergence .. again!?   people just naturally torture their children to misshape their skulls.. it's just human nature.?

(thanks, work calls.. so i may not see any response for a day or two.)

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:05 AM

View Postlightly, on 04 October 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

My main questions are.....  is there a center  'line'  on the top of the elongated skull? ^

..  also.. were some of the glowy (under ultraviolet) bits , or areas beneath, magnetic or not ?  

..also.. what is the orthodox explanation for cranial deformation cropping up on all continents in remote history?   good old convergence .. again!?   people just naturally torture their children to misshape their skulls.. it's just human nature.?

(thanks, work calls.. so i may not see any response for a day or two.)

lightly - As always, thoughtful questions. Please allow me to briefly address.

The "center line" that you are referring to would be the sagittal suture. Sutures are where developing cranial structures meet and "interlock". The status of the development/stage of these sutures is actually one of the factors that biological anthropologists use to date the age of an individual from their skeletal remains.

But a number of genetic/nutritional/cultural elements can effect the maturation of cranial structure. For example, if you look at the top-view sketch that you presented, you will note that there is no apparent suture between the frontals. And this is generally the case for mature crania. However, there are numerous examples of adult craniums with the sutures still extant.

In addition, there are numerous variations in the details of cranial structure. In some groups, there are cranial bones that do not even exist in other groups. Wormian and inca bones would be examples. And there are quite a number of other elements that go into the analyses of this sort. Palatal sutures, nasal silling, etc, etc.

The photo from the site in question is from a rather poor angle in regards to being able to properly evaluate the afore mentioned sagital suture. On more than one occassion, I have had to resort to magnification in order to evaluate the degree of fusing that can occur as an individual ages. Some sutures fuse to the point of "invisibility".

What you will notice in the photo is the presence of normal human cranial structure. Allowing for intentional cultural cranial deformation, elements such as the sphenoid, temporal, parietal, frontal, squamosal suture, etc., etc., are quite present.

Without more thorough analysis, it would unprofessional to levy a final opinion on this one. However, it may be suggested that the process of binding during the maturation of cranial bone structure could have affected the fusing of the sagittal suture.

Addendum: Magnetism, in this situation, would most likely be associated with ferric sources. Given the presented lithics, not likely.

Hope this is of assistance.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 05:27 AM

View PostSwede, on 04 October 2010 - 01:01 AM, said:

Lord love a duck, folks. Reality check:

The original post presents the "work" of Klaus Dona.

He is an admittedly self-described "spiritual archaeologist"/"maverick archaeologist". Major tip-off here. He has, from his own submissions, precisely zero formal training in the field, nor would he appear to have any field experience.

I was perverse enough to flag through bits of his videos. A few glaring observations;

He states that his "Austrian authority" told him that DNA can not be recovered from skeletal remains in excess of 10 Kya. Oh, really? The examples that counter this claim are too numerous to mention. Check Denisova cave and Neanderthals for mere starters.

He references Mu. Might want to do a bit of historical research on that recent concoction.

You will note that his presentation is notably lacking in regards to the provenience of the artifacts that he presents. From an archaeological perspective, this is most unacceptable. And misleading. Deliberately?

He consistently applies his own (unqualified) interpretation of artifacts with little or no supportive documentation. This wouldn't make through Archy. 101. His "evaluation" of the "artificial stone" may be "subject" to further analysis. And the granitic boulder with quartz and similar inclusions? Back to Geo. 101.

The cranial deformation issue has already been addressed. Non-factor.

There is no supportable evidence for a giant sub-species of H. sapiens.

Oniomancer has already (quite correctly) commented on the use of black-light fluorescence. High frequency/low frequency fluorescence studies are routinely utilized in lithic analysis in order to trace the origins of transported ("exotic") materials recovered from a given site, in addition to other applications.

Etc., etc.

In short, the credibility of the source initially presented is highly questionable. And that is being overly generous.

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So basically you're saying, because he doesn't have a piece of paper stating he's a fully equiped archaeologist. Everything he says must be taken with a grain of salt. Do you realise how much of a fool you make yourself look Swede?

I agree his presentation is extremly simple & brief when it comes to his research & evidence, but seriously... It doesn't take a rocket scientist or in this case an archaeologist to realise our past may have been different to what weve been taught.

Edited by Z-v-S, 05 October 2010 - 05:29 AM.


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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:41 AM

View PostSwede, on 05 October 2010 - 02:05 AM, said:

lightly - As always, thoughtful questions. Please allow me to briefly address.

The "center line" that you are referring to would be the sagittal suture. Sutures are where developing cranial structures meet and "interlock". The status of the development/stage of these sutures is actually one of the factors that biological anthropologists use to date the age of an individual from their skeletal remains.

But a number of genetic/nutritional/cultural elements can effect the maturation of cranial structure. For example, if you look at the top-view sketch that you presented, you will note that there is no apparent suture between the frontals. And this is generally the case for mature crania. However, there are numerous examples of adult craniums with the sutures still extant.

In addition, there are numerous variations in the details of cranial structure. In some groups, there are cranial bones that do not even exist in other groups. Wormian and inca bones would be examples.
And there are quite a number of other elements that go into the analyses of this sort. Palatal sutures, nasal silling, etc, etc.

The photo from the site in question is from a rather poor angle in regards to being able to properly evaluate the afore mentioned sagital suture. On more than one occassion, I have had to resort to magnification in order to evaluate the degree of fusing that can occur as an individual ages. Some sutures fuse to the point of "invisibility".

What you will notice in the photo is the presence of normal human cranial structure. Allowing for intentional cultural cranial deformation, elements such as the sphenoid, temporal, parietal, frontal, squamosal suture, etc., etc., are quite present.

Without more thorough analysis, it would unprofessional to levy a final opinion on this one. However, it may be suggested that the process of binding during the maturation of cranial bone structure could have affected the fusing of the sagittal suture.

Addendum: Magnetism, in this situation, would most likely be associated with ferric sources. Given the presented lithics, not likely.

Hope this is of assistance.

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It sure is Swede  ,   Thanks a lot.  I wrongly assumed that all human skulls would be alike.  You've cleared that up for me/us.   (bolded above)  I'm still wondering why cranial deformation would become such a popular, widespread and  apparently old ? practice,   but.. that's an issue for another day i guess.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 06:16 PM

View PostZ-v-S, on 05 October 2010 - 05:27 AM, said:

So basically you're saying, because he doesn't have a piece of paper stating he's a fully equiped archaeologist. Everything he says must be taken with a grain of salt. Do you realise how much of a fool you make yourself look Swede?

I agree his presentation is extremly simple & brief when it comes to his research & evidence, but seriously... It doesn't take a rocket scientist or in this case an archaeologist to realise our past may have been different to what weve been taught.

Translated:
Even the higher intellegence posters at this site are idiots if they don't agree with my estimation of the situation.

Saying Swede looks foolish is like saying that the vacuum is full.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 06:46 PM

View Postlightly, on 05 October 2010 - 10:41 AM, said:

It sure is Swede  ,   Thanks a lot.  I wrongly assumed that all human skulls would be alike.  You've cleared that up for me/us.   (bolded above)  I'm still wondering why cranial deformation would become such a popular, widespread and  apparently old ? practice,   but.. that's an issue for another day i guess.

Why do people the world over love to wear jewels, rings, necklaces. hats, and so on.

People want to be seen as special, different from the mob.

And no doubt many all over the world found out that some people were born with a deformed head.

That is nothing but simple birth deformaties.

Hell, god(s) know, maybe an elongated head was something special, like having 12 fingers or green eyes or 4 arms.


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Posted 05 October 2010 - 07:45 PM

RE the skull deformities..
In view of the fact that Klaus Dona is something of a crackpot, perhaps the believers in his 'Cranial malformation' theories should be called 'Boneheads'.  :D

If it looks real, feels real, can be photographed from multiple angles and is apparent to multiple independent witnesses and is reproducible within context, then its probably real.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:53 PM

Welcome to the board, reverend!

How about pin heads?

Pointy-headed followers?

Self-contained dunce caps?

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:21 PM

View Postcrystal sage, on 03 October 2010 - 03:16 AM, said:

Just starting to watch this...  Klaus Dona : The Hidden History of the Human Race (March 2010) I have a feeling this supports some of my ideas of this world...

(only just started watching) but the show started with... "once apon a time.. a global civilization existed..."

My link
:rolleyes:  ^_^
It got me hooked..



thanks, for the mind stimulation.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 12:30 AM

Maybe some of the ancients had extreme birthing problems.. or they encouraged the shape..

My link

They even have  web sites on Cone headed babies..

My link

We seem to try and shape them.. ( I was told to make sure to turn my babies so that they had a well shaped head.. so we encourage round headedness..)

Back in the old days.. they may have carried them around on their backs.. or in some other forms of harnesses that may have allowed the skulls to stay 'coned'.

Maybe coneheaded is natural.. that we shape them now?

Just like doctors seem to be really anal about the Fontanelle> I recall a girl at school had a metal plate put in hers as it didn't close soon enough.


But when you read about this  Cranial Sacral Therapy..
My linkhttp://en.wikipedia....osacral_therapy


you wonder what benefits are involved here.. heightened awareness???





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