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#106    Belial

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 08:25 PM

I thought it had been provved that the gun used could not be as good in Oswalds hands as he was not that good a shot?

Where it states "For official use only" - gently rub a white wax candle over the area indicated.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 08:48 PM

View PostBelial, on 09 November 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

I thought it had been provved that the gun used could not be as good in Oswalds hands as he was not that good a shot?

Wait, why did you change the subject? You were speaking about how Officer Baker was working for the mob - do you have evidence of that?

As for this question, look a few pages back. It's been covered.


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Posted 09 November 2010 - 10:34 PM

View PostTK0001, on 09 November 2010 - 08:24 PM, said:

Do you have any evidence Mr. Baker was on the mob's payroll?
do you have any evidence mr baker was not,


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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:53 PM

View Postmrcop, on 09 November 2010 - 10:34 PM, said:

do you have any evidence mr baker was not,

I can't prove a negative, mrcop. You ask the impossible.


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Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:59 AM

View Postmrcop, on 09 November 2010 - 10:34 PM, said:

do you have any evidence mr baker was not,
You know, mrcop, this is not really the kind of reply I would expect of someone who has been deeply involved in researching this and other conspiracies.  After all the time (I assume) you have spent discussing and debating conspiracies I find it hard to believe you really go around making these kind of immature challenges.

Edited by IamsSon, 10 November 2010 - 01:00 AM.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 05:42 AM

View PostTK0001, on 09 November 2010 - 08:48 PM, said:

View PostBelial, on 09 November 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

I thought it had been provved that the gun used could not be as good in Oswalds hands as he was not that good a shot?

As for this question, look a few pages back. It's been covered.

Indeed, it *has* been covered.

Oswald's military marksmanship records

He was rated a Marksman on one course, which is the LOWEST passing score a soldier/Marine can score and still qualify, and a Sharpshooter on another, which only means that you can hit a stationary target with a *properly sighted rifle*.

That you can fire "Sharpshooter" with an M-1 Garand makes you a passable Marine, and not a sniper capable of firing multiple shots in a short time with a worn Carcano!

Furthermore, on April 10, 1963, Oswald attempted to kill retired U.S. Major General Edwin Walker. And FAILED.

The truth is, Oswald was a passable rifle shot and nothing more. No military person would actually consider him good enough to be a sniper.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:20 PM

View PostSolarPlexus, on 10 November 2010 - 05:42 AM, said:

Indeed, it *has* been covered.

Oswald's military marksmanship records

He was rated a Marksman on one course, which is the LOWEST passing score a soldier/Marine can score and still qualify, and a Sharpshooter on another, which only means that you can hit a stationary target with a *properly sighted rifle*.

That you can fire "Sharpshooter" with an M-1 Garand makes you a passable Marine, and not a sniper capable of firing multiple shots in a short time with a worn Carcano!

Furthermore, on April 10, 1963, Oswald attempted to kill retired U.S. Major General Edwin Walker. And FAILED.

The truth is, Oswald was a passable rifle shot and nothing more. No military person would actually consider him good enough to be a sniper.

Apparently you didn't bother to read the whole thread, because this all has also been covered.

You don't have to be a sniper to hit a target from 140 feet away.


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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:23 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 10 November 2010 - 12:59 AM, said:

You know, mrcop, this is not really the kind of reply I would expect of someone who has been deeply involved in researching this and other conspiracies.  After all the time (I assume) you have spent discussing and debating conspiracies I find it hard to believe you really go around making these kind of immature challenges.
due to the fact of the thoroughness of my team we deem it necessary to ask all reasonable questions some may not look important but when the answers are figured out and they are placed with other evidence new or old it can be a piece of the puzzle than can crack this case wide open, due to the fact of many errors that were made in the warren commission all suspects and personal must investigated :)


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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:26 PM

View Postmrcop, on 10 November 2010 - 03:23 PM, said:

due to the fact of the thoroughness of my team we deem it necessary to ask all reasonable questions some may not look important but when the answers are figured out and they are placed with other evidence new or old it can be a piece of the puzzle than can crack this case wide open, due to the fact of many errors that were made in the warren commission all suspects and personal must investigated :)

mrcop, will you and your team be answering the questions asked of it/you any time soon?

Namely:

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First question: did shots come from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository? If so, was the shooter Oswald?


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Were you able to use any new techniques or technology to analyze the Dictabelt recordings?


Edited by TK0001, 10 November 2010 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:39 PM

View PostTK0001, on 10 November 2010 - 03:26 PM, said:

mrcop, will you and your team be answering the questions asked of it/you any time soon?

Namely:
i would like to get more theories from some of the other members on these questions :)


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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:46 PM

View PostTK0001, on 10 November 2010 - 01:20 PM, said:

View PostSolarPlexus, on 10 November 2010 - 05:42 AM, said:

Oswald's military marksmanship records

He was rated a Marksman on one course, which is the LOWEST passing score a soldier/Marine can score and still qualify, and a Sharpshooter on another, which only means that you can hit a stationary target with a *properly sighted rifle*.

That you can fire "Sharpshooter" with an M-1 Garand makes you a passable Marine, and not a sniper capable of firing multiple shots in a short time with a worn Carcano!

Furthermore, on April 10, 1963, Oswald attempted to kill retired U.S. Major General Edwin Walker. And FAILED.

The truth is, Oswald was a passable rifle shot and nothing more. No military person would actually consider him good enough to be a sniper.


You don't have to be a sniper to hit a target from 140 feet away.

'hit a target from 140 feet away.'?

- A moving target.
- Which doesn't just move from A to B, it moves on multiple axis.
- Hit it multiple times.
- Within a short time frame.
- Under pressure.

You make it sound like he was shooting at beer bottles.

And please *do* post something that supports your assumptions. Oswald's military marksmanship records are pretty clear, while you continue to have nothing  :)

Edited by SolarPlexus, 10 November 2010 - 03:54 PM.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 04:05 PM

View PostSolarPlexus, on 10 November 2010 - 03:46 PM, said:

'hit a target from 140 feet away.'?

- A moving target.
- Which doesn't just move from A to B, it moves on multiple axis.
- Hit it multiple times.
- Within a short time frame.
- Under pressure.

You make it sound like he was shooting at beer bottles.

And please *do* post something that supports your assumptions. Oswald's military marksmanship records are pretty clear, while you continue to have nothing  :)

I guess that's your opinion and you're welcome to have it. I've pretty much addressed the points in this post throughout this thread, so if you are truly looking for my answers, you know where to look for them.


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Posted 10 November 2010 - 04:15 PM

View PostTK0001, on 10 November 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

I guess that's your opinion and you're welcome to have it. I've pretty much addressed the points in this post throughout this thread, so if you are truly looking for my answers, you know where to look for them.
Actually, you didn't really address the point regarding the difficulty of the shot other than with opinion.  As I initially pointed out (in the quotes Solar reposted) Marksman and Sharpshooter scores are not indications of a shooter able to hit a moving target.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 04:27 PM

View PostTK0001, on 10 November 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

I guess that's your opinion and you're welcome to have it.

My opinion doesn't matter, those are facts. Let's see...

View PostSolarPlexus, on 10 November 2010 - 05:42 AM, said:


Official document, not 'my opinion'  :)

View PostSolarPlexus, on 10 November 2010 - 05:42 AM, said:

He was rated a Marksman on one course, which is the LOWEST passing score a soldier/Marine can score and still qualify,...

Fact, not just 'my opinion' ...

View PostSolarPlexus, on 10 November 2010 - 05:42 AM, said:

Furthermore, on April 10, 1963, Oswald attempted to kill retired U.S. Major General Edwin Walker. And FAILED.

A historic fact.


View PostSolarPlexus, on 10 November 2010 - 03:46 PM, said:

View PostTK0001, on 10 November 2010 - 01:20 PM, said:

You don't have to be a sniper to hit a target from 140 feet away.


- A moving target.
- Which doesn't just move from A to B, it moves on multiple axis.
- Hit it multiple times.
- Within a short time frame.
- Under pressure.

You dont think these are facts??

View PostTK0001, on 10 November 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

I've pretty much addressed the points in this post throughout this thread, so if you are truly looking for my answers, you know where to look for them.

No i dont know where to look for them :) Because you have no sources and nothing supports your 'theory' (if you could even call it that).

Your basic premises are 'Oswald would do this', 'Oswald would do that' and other assumptions :)

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 04:30 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 10 November 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

Actually, you didn't really address the point regarding the difficulty of the shot other than with opinion.  As I initially pointed out (in the quotes Solar reposted) Marksman and Sharpshooter scores are not indications of a shooter able to hit a moving target.

I agree that it is my opinion. It is also my opinion that someone who could score in the Marksman and Sharpshooter categories wouldn't have a hard time hitting a target moving away from the shooter at 5 mph from 140 feet away.

I don't know how to prove this other than to state it as my opinion. I could try to dig up the opinions of people better trained than me, if you would like.

Also, you believe someone shot from the 6th floor, correct? I'm guessing you believe this was a military sniper and not Oswald, right?





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