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Posted 26 October 2010 - 10:53 AM

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Stephen Treehorn: Things are moving so fast these days it’s difficult keeping up. As our day seems to be increasingly packed with essential matters to take care of wouldn’t it be nice if we could just upgrade. Having problems with your housekeeping fund? Basic accounts chip. Anxious about that big speech? Impulse blocker. Off on holiday to Mexico? Spanish implant. The possibilities are endless and are coming to a store near you.

Of course this isn’t new news to most but disclosure has really gained momentum these last few years. Report after report accentuates the latest advance in understanding brain function. And they’re starting on brains young these days. Scientists at the University of Birmingham are studying whether or not babies recognise when people are talking to them, distinguishing human voices from other sounds. Researchers say this technology could eventually be used to help diagnose autism at an early age, as well as furthering our understanding of brain development.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 06:32 PM

A very interesting topic and highly likely considering the day and age we live in. More concerning is the fact, clearly pointed out, about who would be the person(s) deciding about what we 'should' or 'should not' be uploading to our brains, when and/or how limited that information may be. Who will be allowed to 'upgrade'? Will it just be the western take on the world put forward? Will it just be the investors who agree what we can be allowed to know, or simply government? I find it a disturbing train of thought to follow. Information itself is not evil, it's what is chosen to be done with it in the name of good or bad or by the mis-guided. As to AI I think we still have some way to go - or at least I hope so, have people really though this through - why do they want it? Free slave labour, free army..... why the need of labour or an army in the future, it suggests that we have no other means of moving forward other than continuing as we are, a restless mass. Nothing is free.


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Posted 26 October 2010 - 10:25 PM

View Postannoir, on 26 October 2010 - 06:32 PM, said:

A very interesting topic and highly likely considering the day and age we live in. More concerning is the fact, clearly pointed out, about who would be the person(s) deciding about what we 'should' or 'should not' be uploading to our brains, when and/or how limited that information may be. Who will be allowed to 'upgrade'? Will it just be the western take on the world put forward? Will it just be the investors who agree what we can be allowed to know, or simply government? I find it a disturbing train of thought to follow. Information itself is not evil, it's what is chosen to be done with it in the name of good or bad or by the mis-guided. As to AI I think we still have some way to go - or at least I hope so, have people really though this through - why do they want it? Free slave labour, free army..... why the need of labour or an army in the future, it suggests that we have no other means of moving forward other than continuing as we are, a restless mass. Nothing is free.


It will be abused.  We are an intelligent speices, no doubt about that, yet emotionally we are very primitive,and very short sighted, often over riding our rational abilities which we must struggle to use in any case.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 10:32 PM

Not sure if i read it right (my brain's CPU may be a little corrupted) but why do we even need it?

Correct me if i'm wrong; Doesn't the human brain have more processing power for info than computers?


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Posted 27 October 2010 - 08:24 AM

View PostREBEL, on 26 October 2010 - 10:32 PM, said:

Not sure if i read it right (my brain's CPU may be a little corrupted) but why do we even need it?

Correct me if i'm wrong; Doesn't the human brain have more processing power for info than computers?
We don't need it imo.
Like everything else artificial that people are working to implant in others' bodies, I find this detestable. Any of the examples they listed that the "chip" would overcome could be overcome by people if they worked on it. People are becoming to dependent on their inventions.


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Posted 27 October 2010 - 09:34 AM

View PostAliveInDeath, on 27 October 2010 - 08:24 AM, said:

We don't need it imo.
Like everything else artificial that people are working to implant in others' bodies, I find this detestable. Any of the examples they listed that the "chip" would overcome could be overcome by people if they worked on it. People are becoming to dependent on their inventions.



NO matter what happens the brain is always going to be far more superior than any technology human or alien you may be able to increase decrease and take away but in no way will you ever prefect it

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 09:07 PM

View PostValtigashi, on 27 October 2010 - 09:34 AM, said:

NO matter what happens the brain is always going to be far more superior than any technology human or alien you may be able to increase decrease and take away but in no way will you ever prefect it

Do we really know that? I don't know that we're superior or not to the concept of anything alien but human technology is created by us...eg the vaccuum cleaner, I don't know how it works but i use one. I'm sure if I bothered to do a little research I could find out how it works but I can't say that I'd bother to find out how a computer program works, unless I wanted to create one, and as I don't have the time and due to the complex nature of technology and the speed at which it is changing I would not necessarily be able to. Therefore I could conclude that my brain isn't superior to the one that created it -just wired differently.
Is the need to create the self robotically (to understand the nature of ourselves) simply a desire to externalise ourselves and free us from the limitations of the body or is there something more behind it? Maybe we could practice a little more acceptance of our human-ness and stop being so obsessed with the need to overcome aging and death as a boundary.


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Posted 29 October 2010 - 08:27 PM

View Postannoir, on 28 October 2010 - 09:07 PM, said:

Do we really know that? I don't know that we're superior or not to the concept of anything alien but human technology is created by us...eg the vaccuum cleaner, I don't know how it works but i use one. I'm sure if I bothered to do a little research I could find out how it works but I can't say that I'd bother to find out how a computer program works, unless I wanted to create one, and as I don't have the time and due to the complex nature of technology and the speed at which it is changing I would not necessarily be able to. Therefore I could conclude that my brain isn't superior to the one that created it -just wired differently.
Is the need to create the self robotically (to understand the nature of ourselves) simply a desire to externalise ourselves and free us from the limitations of the body or is there something more behind it? Maybe we could practice a little more acceptance of our human-ness and stop being so obsessed with the need to overcome aging and death as a boundary.


with every upgrade there are flaws unfortunatly because of our lack of understanding of pretty much everything in the grander scheme of things we could never design anything 100% perfect in every way

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 11:26 PM

View PostValtigashi, on 29 October 2010 - 08:27 PM, said:

with every upgrade there are flaws unfortunatly because of our lack of understanding of pretty much everything in the grander scheme of things we could never design anything 100% perfect in every way
I think people need to question why we want to be more than just the humans that we are - yes we are limited....why is that perceived to be so bad?


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Posted 10 November 2010 - 10:21 AM

View Postannoir, on 06 November 2010 - 11:26 PM, said:

I think people need to question why we want to be more than just the humans that we are - yes we are limited....why is that perceived to be so bad?


Being limited or being more?

For a view that you might consider read Isaac azamovs Artificial inteligence or watch it should shed some views for you

We are not limited, rather our understanding of life is limited so far until we open our minds to grander schemes are mudane logic cannot fathom it

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 12:07 AM

-The ultimate goal in my opinion is definitely to computerize the human brain , implanting a chip  that contains all the knowledge of the universe , that would be the most expensive chip , using keyhole surgery , into the brain of the  unborn would be the way to start .

And then as the child matures that implanted chip can be updated at any time .

So it all comes back down to money , the wealthier you are the more knowledge your offspring can be born with , and if you only want to specialise in a certain area that could bring the price of the chip and update down .... It's always going to be commercial .

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