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#1    Abramelin

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 10:29 PM

" All of you have complaints with life as you find it, and in weak moments
some of you even theoretically suspect that the fault lies within, not
without.

All of you have looked for answers and solutions, which you believed were
to be found in the remembered words of some respected and departed teacher
or guru. You have all tried in your day and time to be religious, as
directed by those profess to know. But all has been in vain.

And now many of you have come to the proverbial place where you begin to
take the idea of secret-knowledge quite seriously.

You read books on some past master whose words and deeds seem to indicate
a certain unusual and superior knowledge. But as you tried to understand
the practical significance of his remembered words, something seems to be
lacking.

You search for groups and orginizations who claim to be the keepers and
translators of the remembered words, but you soon learn that they
understand no more than you. And yet, through it all, runs an elusive
thread, a hidden promise.

A sincere seeker becomes convinced that there is certain knowledge still
available, a knowledge that is unknown to humanity in general; a knowledge
that is unique, and satisfies the questions that ordinary man's intellect
finds unanswerable. But even when a man becomes so convinced, this is not
the end of his struggle. For when a man becomes thoroughly convinced that
there is another type of knowlegde that has been known by a very, very
few, then this man is already an outcast; he has already taken a step away
from the normal flow of human activity.

When a man has taken this ungodly step, he begins to believe that help
will be forthcoming.

His imagination tells him that he has become one of the chosen few, and he
believes that some great teacher or unrecognized superman will suddenly
appear at his door in the night and whisk him off to the mountains of
Tibet, or to a secret cave in India where he will be instantly instructed
in all forms of secret knowledge and mysticism. This, however, is not the
case.

Most man who reach this point never go any further. They wait and dream,
they dream and wait.

When help is not immediately provided, they become upset, irritated, and
progressively deluded. They normally end up joining some self-proclaimed
mystical organization, or else following some enigmatic, self-appointed
teacher, both of whom promise infinite personal development by simply
abiding by their rules and regulations with no further effort required.

By following such pursuits, a man can go safely back to sleep while
dreaming that he is making real progress, and should he ever doubt it, his
teacher and fellow members will unhesitatingly reinforce his dreams; and
thus they all snooze in safe serenity.

The real Work is always among man, but it is not a club that can be
joined, and it is not the comforter of the self-pitying. The Work and its
teachings have been called secret, and this is true, but not in the sense
that ordinary man understands.

The teaching of the Work is secret and hidden for the simple reason that
it is beyond the intellect's capacity of conception.

The Work is a direct struggle against the normal-state-of-affairs. The
Work is a danger to the mechanical progression of nature, and the Work is
a slap-in-the-face to your own imagined god.

I call it the Work, but the name is of no importance. I call it the Work,
because that it is, work.

This is no system of mere theory, nor is it a series of pleasant promises
of future days to encourage further dreams.

The secret teachings of the Work are the answer to all man's cravings, but
this does not mean that all men are ready for the Work, or that all can
become a part.

The study of the Work in all its forms has but one purpose, and the
correct study of any Work System is not to teach a man about the system.
Ordinary man unfailingly makes the mistake of confusing the vehicle with
its cargo and the appearance for the intention. A particular system is but
a vehicle, and the correct study of the system is not to make a man an
expert regarding the system.

The system is but a temporary framework, one that is used for a particular
time and place. The system, to be of any benefit, must take into account
the particular inner structure of its students. The reality of the Work
continues, while the individual systems come and go.

A teacher's particular system is his and his alone; and when he dies the
secret value of his system is buried with him.

Thus, the system I employ is the one suitable for this day, and this
place. "I am me, and none other"; and the system I use is not a system you
have read about in a book.

The superior and secret knowledge of the Work is not to be had from books,
nor from the contemplation of dead men's words. There are no true
Christians or Buddhists since Jesus and the "Enlightened One" died. Books
concerning their work are but dreams for the dead; and if you find
imagined comfort and direction from books and the contemplation of dead
men and their equally mortiferous ideas, then I speak not to you.

After a teacher dies, invariably a would-be group will spring up around
his memory. Those who were never a part of the inner group and did not
understand the difference between the vehicle and the real Work will
insist they are carrying on his work, (and this is the place where most of
you belong; sitting around with others equally deluded, reading and
discussing the words of dead men. Such activity is quite safe, for the man
who used the words is no longer there to correct you).

There is no Work without a teacher -- one who knows. All else is merely
clubs and organizations for social intercourse.

All of you believe you are seeking the Work, but not knowing what it is or
who can direct it, you are as children lost in the woods. You have been
searching for the Work, but it is not what you believe it to be.

Most of you are already convinced that you know what you need, and until
you abandon this foolish position, neither I nor the Work have anything to
offer.

Should a desirous man ever locate the Work, and be accepted, he enters
into it with many preconceived ideas; from his readings and foolish
interpretations thereof, he believes that the Work is either this-or-that.
But I tell you now that whatever you believe the Work is, is incorrect,
and everything you believe that you are searching for and ned from the
Work is equally erroneous. I will be more specific and tell you what the
Work is, and is not.

The Work of the inner-core of all religions, and what you know of their
accepted saints and teachers is but the knowledge of children. Within all
religions originally was a secret message for the very, very few, and this
message was the Work.

The Work is the possessor of the so-called secret-knowledge that
tantalizes and torments men's minds.

The Work has been the vehicle that has preserved and transmitted certain
knowledge from generation to generation, and has been the unrecognized
force behind the unnatural progress of man as an intellectual being, and
the periodic, inexplicable leaps in his forced march onward.

The Work is the sole source of understanding, as opposed to ordinary
relative knowledge.

Whenever you speak of god, destiny, life, fate, understanding, love,
compassion, consciousness, and justice, you are speaking of the domain of
the Work. Everything that is beyond ordinary comprehension is the Work.

Even though I say that such things are the Work, these are mere words, and
as such they are lies; but they are also signposts.

As to what the Work is not: it is not the conveyer of dreams. It is not a
kindergarten to teach children to believe in the impossible. It is not a
course in magic or instant mysticism, and it is not a comfort station in
life for the weak and foolish. It is not simply a new course of additional
beliefs and opinions, but rather the destroyer of such. It is not a
science or religion, but is science and religion. The Work is not a game,
or sport, as is your present unsatisfying existence. The Work is not a toy
or prize to show off and discuss with fools. The Work is not man's natural
duty or holy obligation, but is rather unnatural and blasphemous. And
finally, the Work is not whatever you think it to be.

As should be obvious to all but the sound asleep, this was not written to
encourage, but I assure you that the displeasing statements I have
directed toward you are nothing. From the viewpoint of the Work, you are
all fools of the first order; some are sqared and some are cubed, but all
are fools none the less. You are fools to the Work, but not in your
imagined sense of the word.

You are fools regardless of your education or sophistication. You are
fools foremost because everything you know is relative and incorrect!

If the proper study of a particular system of the Work is not to teach a
man about the system itself, what then is the purpose?

The foremost task of the Work is apparently so simple that it too has
aided in the Work remaining hidden. My presentation of the Work concerns
itself first, with a problem that ordinary men will say does not exist.
This unrecognized problem is simply that an ordinary man does not know
what he is! The majority of men will vehemently deny such an assertion,
and to them, I have nothing further to say, for they are normal men
playing out their ordained role in the game and natural scheme-of-things.
They are just as they should be, and will always remain strangers to this
Work. But an ordinary man, in truth, is as much a stranger to himself as
is his imagined deity.

Ordinary man will insist that he is quite familiar with himself; he will
state that he has always been rather introspective and self-conscious of
his feelings and thoughts. But this itself is a display of his foolishness
and ignorance, for if a man truly knew himself, he would not be so filled
with displeasure on a useless journey.

Once a man truly begins the struggle of the Work and begins to Awaken, he
will see how near was the truth and reality of the Work all along. But he
will at the same time, realize that the simplicity of its message was also
part of the reason that he could have never seen it for himself.

The life of man, as an intricate part of the Great Machine, is arranged in
a most beautiful and balanced manner. It is arranged so that humanity in
general lives out their few days, fulfilling an unrecognized purpose; they
live a life of complete and total captivity, and are kept peacefully in
their servitude by being made to believe in their innate freedom.

The foremost bond of servitude is that man believes he is fully conscious
and knowledgable about himself, when in fact, the opposite is true.

When I say that everything you know is incorrect, the
intellect-of-personality finds this idea most distasteful, and will insist
that it is all foolishness, or else obscure allegory. But with a man who
does not have the full, impartial knowledge of what he really is, all of
his so-called knowledge is but fragmented, distorted opinion and belief.
Such a man does not see that what he foolishly calls his "I" is no more
than an accidental conglomeration of beliefs and opinions, fostered and
encouraged by his predecessors and contemporaries, all possessing no more
understanding than himself.

Thus, a man is born into a world of delusion, is raised and instructed by
the blind, reaches his rightful day of maturity, and joins the ranks of
the sleeping, while knowing no other existence. This is the way it should,
and must be for humanity as a whole. From this accidental basis of
personal development, you must realize that all of the beliefs and
opinions that a man calls his knowledge is perforce, also accidental and
fragmented.

The Work says that a man can be more than merely a bundle of conditioned
reactions; it tells certain men that they can find individual freedom from
the illusionary frustrations and imaginary suffering of normal life, but
first it is required that a man see for himself the impartial truth
regarding his present position.

If a lion is born and raised in captivity and knows no other life, how can
he understand the joys of freedom? What can be said to him about life in
the wilds?

So too, if a man never tasted the full, rich bouqet of real wine, he can
be served the raw, unfermented juice of the grape and be made to believe
that is the real thing. It is simply a matter of, he who tastes not, knows
not.

And as you are, you believe that life, as you live it, is the only
possible existence; and you have faith that the knowledge you have is the
only knowledge available

Due to unrecognized forces of the Great Machine, and its need to keep man
in a certain position for certain purposes, men have been made to believe
that there is no knowledge that cannot be put between the pages of a book;
he has almost abandoned the belief in any other kind of knowledge, but
this is not to say that such knowledge does not exist. The end result of
this has been to make such knowledge more difficult to find, and almost
impossible to comprehend.

Just because you believe that you are ready for the Work does not mean the
Work is ready for you; and should you decide that you wish to align
yourself with its activities does not mean that I share your sentiments.

I do not hesitate to discourage even the most sincere and anxious, and I
will tell you immediately that the Work is the most costly, difficult and
exasperating task a man can undertake. All -- all of life is arranged to
keep you from the Work, and should a man become truly involved in the
struggle, he will find that all of life is against him in his effort.

Before you attempt to give any further thought to what the Work may or may
not be, consider this one idea; in the Work everything in life is against
you. In the beginning it seems as though the Work itself is your
adversary; the Work assaults your normal senses and insults your very
being. The Work immediately tells you that you are a fool, and that
everything you know is wrong.

The Work hides and is elusive; it does not seek converts, nor does it
accept all who apply. The Work does not need you -- but do you need the
Work? "


J.M.C.


#2    Mr Walker

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 09:28 AM

NA i havent got time. Im too busy playing calvin ball, as a metaphor for life.
Hobbes might give you a hand.

Na, sorry. He's busy cataloguing the relativistic nature of cumulo nimbus clouds and monarch butterflies, in an attempt to further quantify the chaos effect.

Edited by Mr Walker, 30 October 2010 - 09:32 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:19 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 30 October 2010 - 09:28 AM, said:

NA i havent got time. Im too busy playing calvin ball, as a metaphor for life.
Hobbes might give you a hand.

Na, sorry. He's busy cataloguing the relativistic nature of cumulo nimbus clouds and monarch butterflies, in an attempt to further quantify the chaos effect.

Indeed, you "haven't got time".


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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:58 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 30 October 2010 - 11:19 PM, said:

Indeed, you "haven't got time".
My reply wasnt entirely facetious. I at least took the time to read your whole post(twice) Once for content and once for meaning.

However, without any hint of context, or your expectations, a detailed and thoughtful reply would be meaningless You dont say if this is your own work, and your life's reflections or the words of a "guru" with which you agree.

It is deliberately esoteric and ambiguous, like all "great mysteries," but to get people to take an interest, you either need a better "hook" or at least some accompanying statement /rationale. That is one HUGE chunk of "philosophical musings" to expect anyone to take time over.
It is quite fluently written, and the actual words, and even "outer meanings," are clear, as they need to be. But the way it is written in posing an "inner meaning", mystery, or question, can only work if you can get people to actually read it all and take time to reflect on it.

My reply was actually also philosophical in nature. I have a life statement about life and how I live it. It largely hangs around the concept that life is a game; a game we ultimately cannot win, but which we should play hard , to the best of our abilities, and with a sense of humour.

It also states that we set the rules for our own game of life, and that we should play by our rules not anyone elses( stick to ones own ethical moralities)

One can "cheat"  one's own rules without harming anyone else, and indeed that can add flavour to the game of life. And in calvin ball, "cheating" on our set rules, (or creative innovation) is not just allowed, its a rule in itself.
In many respects it fits the classic game of calvin ball, and i think the writer of Calvin and Hobbes is not just a genius, but a very keen observer of life and people. So my response was, while i respect your game and your right to play it, (and to disseminate its rules) I will continue to play my game according to the rules of calvin ball.

My second paragraph was not just an observation on the intellectual prowess and deep metaphysical musings often displayed by hobbes,(calvin's "toy" tiger) but an illustration of how one can use words (as you have done) that appear, on the surface, to make sense, but without further explanation actually do not; or may have ambiguous purpose, dependent on the reader's understandings.

Edited by Mr Walker, 31 October 2010 - 12:04 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:57 PM

This is the cover of the book I quoted from:

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And the book was written by Jan Cox.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

Gurdjieff, I should have known. I read about half of that just like I read about half of Beelzebub's tales to his grandson...I mean you can find truth in it but it is just too much work, like 900 pages of: listen my boy, back on mars in the good old days before we had to live in this space ship...and on and on and on. My first guess was Sri Aurobindo but his mega poem is more concise and makes your head spin if you read it too fast.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:29 PM

View Postmarkprice, on 30 April 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Gurdjieff, I should have known. I read about half of that just like I read about half of Beelzebub's tales to his grandson...I mean you can find truth in it but it is just too much work, like 900 pages of: listen my boy, back on mars in the good old days before we had to live in this space ship...and on and on and on. My first guess was Sri Aurobindo but his mega poem is more concise and makes your head spin if you read it too fast.

No, not Gurdjieff, it's Jan Cox.

But he wrote a book about Gurdjieff.

I must say I prefer to read Jan Cox' work.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 06:04 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 30 October 2010 - 11:19 PM, said:

Indeed, you "haven't got time".

Busy rereading Lao Tzu's "Tao Te Ching", and I found this gem:

“Time is a created thing. To say 'I don't have time,' is like saying, 'I don't want to.”


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:04 PM

You know, it is much better to take the time and post a link, than to post all that copy write materal and post what you want discuss about it.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:43 PM

Interesting thread. I think my post has some relevance to the OP.

This is kind of like a little story I wrote wherein a man has only one question he wants answered.  He searches a great library for the book he believes contains the answer to his question. The book is entitled "LOLA", and it contains one true answer to some unknown question. He hopes the answer in the book matches his question.

The book does exist, but of course he searches his whole life for this book in the library without ever finding it. Before he dies, the man consoles himself with the thought that at least he has dedicated his life to finding the truth, and that his resolve never wavered.

I think oftentimes we may become lost in the search itself, and that becomes the purpose of our life. And if we did happen upon the answer to our question we would be dissatisfied with it, and continue the search, hoping to find what we imagine the answer to be.

I consider the OP is correct in the sense there are only signposts, and we must discover the Work for ourselves in a personal way. Knowledge may be part of a signpost, but knowledge is not the Work, in my view. The Work itself is not out there in some book, it is hidden within. It may be stumbled upon at the most unexpected moment.

The acceptance of authority does not lead to intelligence.
A mind untouched by thought...the end of knowledge.
To see reality loose your opinions.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:11 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 17 June 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

You know, it is much better to take the time and post a link, than to post all that copy write material and post what you want discuss about it.

There is no link: I copied it from the book I have.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:15 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 17 June 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Interesting thread. I think my post has some relevance to the OP.

This is kind of like a little story I wrote wherein a man has only one question he wants answered.  He searches a great library for the book he believes contains the answer to his question. The book is entitled "LOLA", and it contains one true answer to some unknown question. He hopes the answer in the book matches his question.

The book does exist, but of course he searches his whole life for this book in the library without ever finding it. Before he dies, the man consoles himself with the thought that at least he has dedicated his life to finding the truth, and that his resolve never wavered.

I think oftentimes we may become lost in the search itself, and that becomes the purpose of our life. And if we did happen upon the answer to our question we would be dissatisfied with it, and continue the search, hoping to find what we imagine the answer to be.

I consider the OP is correct in the sense there are only signposts, and we must discover the Work for ourselves in a personal way. Knowledge may be part of a signpost, but knowledge is not the Work, in my view. The Work itself is not out there in some book, it is hidden within. It may be stumbled upon at the most unexpected moment.

The "Work" is always not what we assume it is.

Our prejudice concerning what is truth or not hinders us in the search for real truth.

And we don't really know what we are looking for, but we all know we are looking for something.





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