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Posted 10 November 2010 - 10:25 AM

Now, I know that "deathbed confessions" are viewed with sc/kepticism by some, but it has, I think, beem quoted by other sources as well as this that he did seem to say something along the lines of what is attributed to him here, so I don't think it can be dismissed just because of some errors the journalist who wrote this article may have made. I suspect much of the colourful detail ("The US Military is flying to Other Stars!") was probably embellishment added ny an enthusiastic journalist.  And while it's true that, just because someone is in a position of authority, it doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be an authority about flying saucers (e.g. the President of Brazil, or Ronald Reagan), this is a leading expert we're talking about here, so I don't think it ought to be automatically dismissed with a sneer. The question is, of course, was he entirely compos mentis in his final hours? Was he rambling incoherently? Even if the latter, people can sometimes come out from their subconscious with things that they've long kept hidden; and if he was reasonably coherent, then I do think that it shouldn't just be dismissed out of hand.

Edited by 747400, 10 November 2010 - 10:26 AM.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:01 AM

View Post747400, on 10 November 2010 - 10:25 AM, said:

Now, I know that "deathbed confessions" are viewed with sc/kepticism by some, but it has, I think, beem quoted by other sources as well as this that he did seem to say something along the lines of what is attributed to him here, so I don't think it can be dismissed just because of some errors the journalist who wrote this article may have made. I suspect much of the colourful detail ("The US Military is flying to Other Stars!") was probably embellishment added ny an enthusiastic journalist.  And while it's true that, just because someone is in a position of authority, it doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be an authority about flying saucers (e.g. the President of Brazil, or Ronald Reagan), this is a leading expert we're talking about here, so I don't think it ought to be automatically dismissed with a sneer.

Thanks for that.


Because 'contact' with Extraterrestrials is THE most intriguing question for us humans.

And, IMO, eclipses all other areas of interest, in terms of psychological impact...I think

we owe it to ourselves to suspend judgement and take an unbiased look at evidence that is presented to us.




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The question is, of course, was he entirely compos mentis in his final hours? Was he rambling incoherently? Even if the latter, people can sometimes come out from their subconscious with things that they've long kept hidden; and if he was reasonably coherent, then I do think that it shouldn't just be dismissed out of hand.


I take your point. People who are dying of cancer are given morphine for pain-relief and to keep them calm.

So would this loosen the tongue...or create confusion in the mind???


I'm thinking that people who work on these top secret projects must carry a burden...not being
able to share what they know.

And these highly intelligent men...must really FEEL the emotional pressure...if they have to
keep something like ET visitation/capture  quiet.

THAT emotional pressure must become acute when death is near.


Maybe they choose to speak when they are near to death...to cleanse the soul..in preparation for the 'afterlife' ?

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:24 AM

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First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:51 AM

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1. There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build.

Haha yup  :)

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:57 AM

Well i was watching that program on TV the other day about the "Horten" single wing stealth Jet, which was designed by the Horten brothers for Hitler to use in WW2 and they got Lockheed to do a test model of the craft (similar to what they do with the B2 and other stealth planes) to test at a secret radar testing facility. (which worked by the way which means if Hitler had this fully in production etc before we got it Britain would have been pretty much done for and then the US not long after with the bigger bomber version similar to a B2)

Even though that was interesting enough to keep me gripped, there was so much secrecy behind a lot of their "projects" and they often mentioned how long they had been doing it and how there has been ALOT of "projects" which they can't even give a hint or clue about. Some of the guys on working on this Project seemed a bit cautious of what they where saying, even normally. Obviously that could be completely just to do with secret US aircraft etc and nothing to do with ET's. But it is worth a watch to see the Lockheed guys at work and also see what they are really like to give you an idea of what they might get up to.


Back on topic, I wish his family or someone would comment on this. Unless they can't, if he held it in all those years and did actually say this on his deathbed then he might have been doing it more as a confession before he dies, so at least he knew he tried to tell people.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:20 PM

View Postastrios, on 10 November 2010 - 12:01 PM, said:

What makes you people think star travel is a free lunch? If there are alien powers out there they are not going to send you arms of mother and father.


Well then it would be a free lunch... for them.



Anyway I want to know why you think they wouldn't be nice?

Surely if the answer was ESP then it is down to being in touch with ones self etc, then surely there is more chance that ET would be more peaceful in that sense and a lot nicer than our race.

I've always said that we would reach the stars quicker if everyone on this planet made peace and joined together. Think of all the money wasted on war that could be spent on technology for space travel. Yeah wars do help push new technology as it funds the research etc BUT then they have to pay for the war machines etc where as without that every country would be donating to one single Earth space agency which would research and produce space technology etc. Anyone with half a brain can see that surely?!

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:18 PM

View Postastrios, on 10 November 2010 - 01:08 PM, said:

Ok, if aliens have been around for a long time, why they never helped us getting rid of wars and diseases during the past 5000 years?

They are here to observe, after all. Do human scientists normally interfere with their experiments?

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 05:09 PM

View Postastrios, on 10 November 2010 - 01:08 PM, said:

Thinking ETs will be nicer than our own humanity is naive, and a disrespect to your own heritage. Ok, if aliens have been around for a long time, why they never helped us getting rid of wars and diseases during the past 5000 years? Things are more complicated than just exploring the outer-space.

Since humans have sent satellites and space-station on the orbit of Earth, I take it as we being consented to do so. We are not going to be anywhere we are not supposed to be. Flying around in the saucers possibly cost more than average people can imagine, not all that swim in the ocean are sharks, not all that prey are lions, the Illuminati people are not that great like average people usually imagine. If the aliens are realy nice, they would help us enjoy life. Seeing the whole issue in spiritual light, evolving into star civilization is a matter of adoption by the elders rather than independent development. The thing we can do on our own to advance toward this evolution is to solve our own problems, elevate our soul to eliminate wars, diseases. One day we or our descendents have proven to be worthy, we will be embraced and nobly flying among the stars. Look at our world, a mess, aliens would be more happy to see us suffer rather than contaminate their hands by shaking theirs with humans.



Everything you just said can be written off with this answer: The government are holding information and have been for a long time.

If our government was talking to ET's then they would not allow them to intervene in war if the ET agreed with why they where doing it etc.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:15 AM

View Postastrios, on 11 November 2010 - 02:53 AM, said:

Our conscience tells us to take responsibility of our own actions, aliens are the last to be blamed, if they interfered we can also find reasons from ourself.

Sure i see what you mean :) But do you really think that life would continue normally, if they showed up? :)

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 11:43 AM

View Postastrios, on 11 November 2010 - 02:53 AM, said:

Our conscience tells us to take responsibility of our own actions, aliens are the last to be blamed, if they interfered we can also find reasons from ourself. Human responsibility is always the first factor of all causes relating to us, this is the way of dignity which distinguishes us from other animals.



Governments are always evil? are civilians really smarter than people in power? Not always. If ET can be pursuaded by government then humans are still the first factor, and aliens want something from us, so our own efforts will not be in vain. Choosing aliens over government to rule over us is like electing a wrong person to ruin your country.


It's pretty obvious the US government is a bit dodgy, even if it's not all of them. And take the CIA for instance, they have done some proven dodgy stuff.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:07 PM

A little story to share...


I have a friend who goes cold-calling...selling 'energy'...you know getting
people to swap their energy provider.


So...he goes to this one house and there's a man living alone..in his 80s.

He's got lots of pictures around of aeroplanes.

My mate is engaging him in conversation...noting the pictures, asking him about them.
(part of the sales patter...lol...although he IS genuinely interested)


To cut a longer story short...



The guy chats away..yes he's travelled the world...he worked as an aeronautical engineer
for Boeing.

Yes he has worked in America...for Boeing...alongside Lookheed Martin.


My mate slips in..... " Did you work at Area 51?"

NOW the guy...who was still very sharp...realised that my friend knew about the subject
and started to get a bit wary.


But "Yes".....he said he HAD worked at area 51.


So  my friend goes straight in and asks 'Did you see a 'Craft' ?

The guy knew what he meant...and just smiled and nodded.


He wouldn't be drawn anymore....so the sale was wrapped up and on to the next house.....

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:19 PM

View Postbee, on 11 November 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

A little story to share...


I have a friend who goes cold-calling...selling 'energy'...you know getting
people to swap their energy provider.


So...he goes to this one house and there's a man living alone..in his 80s.

He's got lots of pictures around of aeroplanes.

My mate is engaging him in conversation...noting the pictures, asking him about them.
(part of the sales patter...lol...although he IS genuinely interested)


To cut a longer story short...



The guy chats away..yes he's travelled the world...he worked as an aeronautical engineer
for Boeing.

Yes he has worked in America...for Boeing...alongside Lookheed Martin.


My mate slips in..... " Did you work at Area 51?"

NOW the guy...who was still very sharp...realised that my friend knew about the subject
and started to get a bit wary.


But "Yes".....he said he HAD worked at area 51.


So  my friend goes straight in and asks 'Did you see a 'Craft' ?

The guy knew what he meant...and just smiled and nodded.


He wouldn't be drawn anymore....so the sale was wrapped up and on to the next house.....


Thanks for sharing that. It's very interesting!  :tu:

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:27 PM

View PostMoonie2012, on 09 November 2010 - 08:05 PM, said:

#3 contradicts itself and #2 repeatedly.

They can't even write an article that makes consistent claims throughout. What a load of horse ****.

View PostMoonie2012, on 09 November 2010 - 08:24 PM, said:

The article starts out with "The US military is traveling to other stars", yet it ends with "all we need to do is figure out what is wrong with Einstein's equations" (the answer to which they claimed to know in the sentence previous to that).

No smart, logical person is going to believe this crap. How could they? It defeats its own claims again and again. The guy who wrote this is no rocket scientist, let alone a decent journalist.

There isn't a contradiction necessarily.  It may be he was saying we have the technology to do these things, but it's "borrowed" (like from crashed or abandoned vehicles/equipment) and we don't yet know how or why they work; we don't yet understand where our theories are wrong, but we know they obviously are because the equipment does things our equations don't allow for.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:44 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 11 November 2010 - 02:27 PM, said:

There isn't a contradiction necessarily.  It may be he was saying we have the technology to do these things, but it's "borrowed" (like from crashed or abandoned vehicles/equipment) and we don't yet know how or why they work; we don't yet understand where our theories are wrong, but we know they obviously are because the equipment does things our equations don't allow for.
I honestly don't understand how anyone can see these points as anything but contradictory...


View PostMoonie2012, on 09 November 2010 - 08:24 PM, said:

The article starts out with "The US military is traveling to other stars", yet it ends with "all we need to do is figure out what is wrong with Einstein's equations" (the answer to which they claimed to know in the sentence previous to that).

No smart, logical person is going to believe this crap. How could they? It defeats its own claims again and again. The guy who wrote this is no rocket scientist, let alone a decent journalist.
Well said, I agree with this completely.  It is just more hype.  Just more hearsay to try to convince the gullible to attend more conferences and buy more books.


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Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:59 PM

The question is, though, should the actual things that Ben Rich is quoted as saying be disregarded, just because of an over-excited reporter? I mean, these kind of comments have been attributed to him before. All the things that people have been picking apart are things that have been added by the reporter. These people priding themselves that they're smart and logical, and they're not going to be misled like all these gullible fools, does that mean that the actual substance of what Ben Rich is quoted as saying should be disregarded?

Edited by 747400, 11 November 2010 - 03:10 PM.

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