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#16    Fluffybunny

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 12:04 AM

QUOTE (Babs @ Aug 2 2004, 04:25 PM)
Kerry got no 'bounce' from the convention. Bush is in the lead, coast to coast. original.gif


Do you get tired of being incorrect? Coast to coast? Maybe in your world, but the rest of us see bush ahead in some, not in others. rolleyes.gif

Great research. thumbsup.gif  Next time take the blinders off. You might try looking for the truth of the matter rather than just information that supports your opinion. rolleyes.gif


Polls Mixed on Kerry Post-Convention Gain

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By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The jury is out on whether presidential nominee John Kerry (news - web sites) got a 'bounce' in the polls after the Democratic National Convention. Some surveys suggest he did; in others, he did not.


An ABC-Washington Post poll showed Kerry and running mate John Edwards (news - web sites) slightly ahead among registered voters, with 50 percent to 44 percent for President Bush (news - web sites) and Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites). Independent Ralph Nader (news - web sites) and Peter Camejo (news - web sites) were at 2 percent. Among likely voters, they were tied with Bush-Cheney in a three-way matchup.


A Newsweek poll taken Thursday and Friday gave Kerry-Edwards a narrow lead over Bush-Cheney, 49 percent to 42 percent, with 3 percent for Nader-Camejo. Kerry-Edwards and Bush-Cheney were essentially tied in a Newsweek poll in early July 47 percent for Kerry-Edwards and 44 percent for Bush-Cheney with 3 percent for Nader-Camejo.

Edited by Fluffybunny, 03 August 2004 - 12:14 AM.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 03:05 AM

Heard some of that. Liberal CNN is the news station I am referring to..they said that Kerry didn't bounce up in the polls after the big convention. I don't know where you live either. rolleyes.gif ...'I' am not incorrect...I am stating what I heard on the news.  tongue.gif  

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 03:19 AM

QUOTE (Babs @ Aug 2 2004, 08:05 PM)
'I' am not incorrect...I am stating what I heard on the news.  tongue.gif

I searched around and couldn't find any poll that says:

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Bush is in the lead, coast to coast


If you are going to make such a statement at least back it up. Otherwise you are incorrect. You've never been a paragon of research but this is a new one, even for you.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 03:27 AM

Fluffy...CNN. Coast to coast, Bush is in the lead. Wow, I'm not making this up. Perhaps you need a break, Fluffy.  wink2.gif

I heard it on the news. What do you want to do...go to court over this?  laugh.gif  

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 03:36 AM

CNN LinkThis from CNN:

Geez babs, can you point out where it says Bush was ahead coast to coast?  blink.gif

(CNN) -- The race between President Bush and Sen. John Kerry is as close as it has ever been, even after the Democratic National Convention last week, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Sunday.

The poll -- conducted Friday and Saturday, after Kerry's acceptance of the Democratic nomination Thursday night -- found the senator from Massachusetts running slightly ahead of Bush among registered voters but slightly behind among likely voters.

In each case, the difference between the two men was less than the margin of error, making the results a statistical tie.

Although the poll brought some good news for Kerry, it suggested that the convention helped mobilize voters on the opposite side as well.

Of the 1,011 adult Americans interviewed, 916 identified themselves as registered voters and 763 said they were likely voters.

The registered voters surveyed favored Kerry over Bush 50-47, a slight change from 49-45 found in a similar poll conducted two weeks ago.

The likely voters polled favored Bush 50-47, whereas two weeks earlier they had favored Kerry 49-47.

The margin of error in each case was plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Further polls in the coming days will help determine what effect the convention may have had on the race.

The figures from this poll supported Democrats' statements leading up to the convention that Kerry would likely not see a "bounce," the term for a temporary increase in a candidate's support after a significant event. Democrats said the Kerry campaign was already riding a bounce going into the convention.

Kerry's campaign argued that challengers historically run behind incumbents by about 15 points heading into a convention. Instead, Kerry entered the convention already polling neck and neck with Bush.

Also, Kerry chose his running mate, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, earlier than any previous presidential hopeful, and received the bounce that usually accompanies that decision well in advance of the convention.

Bush campaign chairman Marc Racicot said the poll was "interesting to note, but it is just a snapshot."

"It's heartening, quite frankly, for this moment," he said on CNN's "Late Edition." "But by tomorrow, of course, we'll realize that anything can change from day to day and that we have to continue to work hard virtually every day."

The poll suggested the convention boosted Kerry's standing on several key measures -- but often not at Bush's expense.

Kerry's favorability rating edged up slightly, to 58 percent among registered voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. It was at 56 percent two weeks ago. But Bush's rating rose as well, to 52 percent from 51 percent, with the same margin of error.

Kerry appeared to gain slightly on the question of who is more honest and trustworthy, with 48 percent of all those interviewed choosing Kerry and 43 percent choosing Bush. Two weeks ago, they were tied at 42 percent each.

But 55 percent of all respondents said Bush does not flip-flop on issues, while only 33 percent said Kerry does not. And 51 percent said they consider Bush the stronger and more decisive leader. Only 42 percent said that of Kerry.

Kerry is far out in front of Bush on the question of who would unite the country. Fifty-two percent of all those interviewed said Kerry would, while only 39 percent said Bush would.

Fifty-one percent of all respondents said Kerry has an optimistic vision, while only 40 percent said Bush does. And 53 percent said Kerry cares about people like them, while only 38 percent said that about Bush.

Although some Republicans ridiculed Kerry for focusing so much on his military service during the convention, 42 percent of all respondents said that service makes it more likely they will vote for him. But 41 percent said it made no difference.

A majority of all those interviewed said they believe Kerry would handle the economy better. On that issue they favored Kerry over Bush 54-43.

On the Iraq issue, little significant change was apparent. Kerry edged out Bush on Iraq, 49-47, in the current poll. But two weeks ago Bush was ahead on the Iraq issue 49-44, and the results of both questions fell within the margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Kerry may have gained some ground on terrorism, but Bush remains the front-runner on that issue.

Two weeks ago, poll respondents said they preferred Bush to lead the war against terror 56-38. In the latest poll, they still favored the president 54-42.

The current poll suggested Democrat-leaning voters were more enthusiastic about the race, and therefore more likely to vote.

But enthusiasm among Democrats already was high, and the poll suggested the four-day Democratic convention energized Republicans as well.

Seventy-four percent of Democrats said they were more enthusiastic about voting than usual, up from 68 percent two weeks earlier.

Sixty-one percent of Republicans said they were now enthusiastic about the race, up from 51 percent.

And independent candidate Ralph Nader proves a continuing concern for Kerry.

When Nader was offered as an option, 3 percent of registered voters left Kerry's column to support the consumer advocate -- bringing Kerry down to a tie with Bush, 47-47. Two percent of likely voters chose Nader, increasing Bush's lead over Kerry to 50-46. Those results are all within the margin of error.

When all poll respondents were asked who they think will win the race, the result was a 47-47 tie between Bush and Kerry


Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE (Babs @ Aug 2 2004, 08:27 PM)
Fluffy...CNN. Coast to coast, Bush is in the lead. Wow, I'm not making this up. Perhaps you need a break, Fluffy.  wink2.gif

I heard it on the news. What do you want to do...go to court over this?  laugh.gif

Perhaps you need to take your Bush Blinders off long enough to see that you posted something that wasn't true no matter how much you wish it to be.

I do need a break, from folks that post personal wishes as some sort of fact.

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I heard it on the news. What do you want to do...go to court over this?  laugh.gif


Nope, just show that you are again incorrect.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 05:55 PM

I heard it again last night on the news. grin2.gif I was going to say, too, that 'you' just read or hear the news you want to hear. Could that be? wink2.gif

CNN/USA/TODAY/GALLUP poll. I don't know Fluffy....are you 'listening' to the news?

I think you are 'more' interested in making me incorrect than you are at getting at the truth. rolleyes.gif  

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Babs @ Aug 3 2004, 10:55 AM)
I heard it again last night on the news. grin2.gif I was going to say, too, that 'you' just read or hear the news you want to hear. Could that be? wink2.gif


Link please. You keep saying it, and I have posted two sources that say that you are wrong. I searched for such a poll, and have not seen one.

Perhaps you could post a link to this mystery poll that shows that Bush is ahead from coast to coast, or simply admit that you were wrong and just being overzealous in the matter.

It is pretty simple babs.

Edited by Fluffybunny, 03 August 2004 - 06:02 PM.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 06:34 PM

  laugh.gif You wish!

You wish I was wrong. I am looking now, but don't have all the time in the world. You can rest assured if I find something, I will post it.  cool.gif  

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 06:40 PM

I think I know what Babs is talking about. Babs: When did you hear this? Last week I saw an article from MSN that said that Bush was leading at 49-45

I dont think it matters though cuz at the same exact time, 1 news agency could have a poll with Bush leading and the other with Kerry leading, cuz its just a few hundred people polled, and they could be different groups of people too.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE (Babs @ Aug 3 2004, 11:34 AM)
You wish I was wrong. I am looking now, but don't have all the time in the world. You can rest assured if I find something, I will post it.  cool.gif

You don't seem to understand that I do not like either candidate. You(like joc) are making the assumption that because I dislike what Bush has done in iraq that I am a democrat and a supporter of Kerry. I am not.

I don't wish you were wrong, I have already posted polls that show that you are. I have looked at well over a dozen polls on the matter, large and small, and not one single poll puts either candidate ahead or behind across all states, or even in a majority of the states. None of the polls show anyone ahead by any margin larger than the error of margin of the poll itself, usually within 3%. It is a dead heat in most respects.

I will not be holding my breath waiting for you to post something... rolleyes.gif  

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 07:07 PM

The NWO will have as much effect on election
as voters if not more on whoever is the winner.

I do believe we should vote as a matter of principle.
I do not however suffer from delusions of self-importance.
Our votes count more as an example of principle I believe,
than actuality.  


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Posted 03 August 2004 - 07:09 PM

bush this and kerry that...no matter who wins the election...it wont fix the damage the US has done..and it wont stop the terrorist from hating us. as of now this country has no hope. we are either gonna destroy ourselves....or the terroists are gonna put us in a state of fear, terror and paranoia for the rest of our natural lives.

Sure Bush may help the rich people if he wins and Kerry may help the middle class and the poor if he wins, but no matter how u see it...this country will always be screwed.  and it will never be that picture perfect country that so many ppl immigrated too back in the day. we will never achive "liberty and justic for all"  but hey thats just how i see it.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Anti_girl17 @ Aug 3 2004, 12:09 PM)
bush this and kerry that...no matter who wins the election...it wont fix the damage the US has done..and it wont stop the terrorist from hating us. as of now this country has no hope.

Yes, we're pretty much screwed at this point. The best we can hope for is some damage control.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 03 August 2004 - 07:44 PM

QUOTE (Anti_girl17 @ Jul 29 2004, 08:30 PM)
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You sure can learn a lot from it about the candidates and what they actually believe.


ya but some people could lie bout what they believe in...the win the election...then end up screwing over the US again....
not sayin that any1s done that lol cuz i really dont know...but its a thought tongue.gif

Yeah, I was being sarcastic, because Kerry is always changing his mind on things! grin2.gif  





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